A quick movie for Vista users! So funny!

[Ron Miller]

not sure what most of your message is trying to convey, but at least you
know how to bottom-post, congrats Ron!

If you're so intent on repressing your problems that you can't
understand what I was "trying to convey" here in extremely graphic and
straightforward language, then I guess I was right; your psychoneurosis
is severe.
Again, if you have even a trace of decency in you, you'll stop posting
here. If you EVER had a single constructive thing to add to these
discussions, you'd be welcomed, but you never do. Your approach is
infantile in the extreme.

 

[Ted Landry]

Hogwash. It works just fine with Usenet.

if it works, then why did you just top-post?

see... it DOESN'T work, you just made an error, all because you are
using "Outlook", a program that doesn't operate correctly on Usenet.

please learn about Usenet... it's not EMAIL!

It's an entirely different system.... you are being a fool for
suggesting otherwise, BUT just don't know it yet... in the years to come
you'll remember me, and go "gosh, that guy was right!"

you can learn about how to correctly post to USENET here:

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Etiquette/

 

[Adam Albright]

The IBM "compatible" market is in shambles.

So in your moronic estimation having over 90% of the personal computer
market means IBM clones are in shambles. Interesting spin, but
obviously you have no concept of reality.

It's not the sort of hardware mix you would want to put a high end OS on.

There is nothing "high end" about OSX. For Pete's sake is mostly a
UNIX clone. Its been around for decades. You truly are a dummy.

A good 40% of the problems Windows users deal with is that they may have saved $40 on a PC
from HP or Dell... over buying a Mac from Apple, but they have spent
$400 in time and stress to clear up problems Apple doesn't allow to
happen in the first place.

More BS. Macs have just as many problems as Windows do. If they had 10
times the customers like the Windows platform does, changes are people
would find ten times more problems.

You can argue that Macs have some good points and they do. However the
typical Mac troll and that's all you are, hasn't and can't seem to be
objective. So you're one sided cheerleading while sticking your head
in the sand and ignoring all the negative things about Macs makes you
sound foolish.

In other words, Apple would never stoup to the poor quality standards of
IBM "compatibles", it just doesn't make sense from a user's perspective.

Some dope such as yourself playing games on a Mac which is likely the
limit of your computer "expertise" trying to lecture people that use
their PC's for serious business purposes is laughable, but at times
I'll admit amusing. If you enjoy making a ass of yourself, please
continue. I can always use a chuckle or two and the Mac trolls provide
that.

 

[Eric]

if it works, then why did you just top-post?

see... it DOESN'T work, you just made an error, all because you are
using "Outlook", a program that doesn't operate correctly on Usenet.

please learn about Usenet... it's not EMAIL!

It's an entirely different system.... you are being a fool for
suggesting otherwise, BUT just don't know it yet... in the years to come
you'll remember me, and go "gosh, that guy was right!"

you can learn about how to correctly post to USENET here:

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Etiquette/

OE puts your cursor above what you're quoting because Outlook puts your
cursor above what you're quoting. Top posting is probably a good idea for
email, but I think it is a bad idea for a newsgroup. Putting your cursor
there isn't necessarily wrong though. Inline posting is better if there are
multiple specific points to respond to, which is easier if you start at the
top.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

yes, Steve Ballmer is the village idiot of Microsoft. I watched a
mini-documentary on him a few months back, and he's actually from
Detroit and his father was a manager at Ford! So no wonder quality is
so poor with MS products. He has no background in computing, he was just
an aggressive friend of Bill. Once Bill leaves MS next summer, Steve B
is going to drive MS right into the ground. At least with Bill you kinda
feel sorry for him, he's kinda awkward and not very gifted with the
spoken word.

For me, the jury is still out on Bill right now, sometimes I see
promising signs, but I'm just not sure yet. But I don't pity him. As
much as I really don't like him, the man is a marketing genius. I would
look up to him in alot of ways if he did not run a criminalistic
monopoly company.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Nope. Just CLUELESS CUNTS LIKE YOU too stupid to work it out. Thank
the bittorent brigade."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Nina DiBoy]

You seem more delusional with each new post. The reality is nobody
follows Apple. They have been playing catch up from almost the
beginning and have got nowhere fast.

Steve Jobs has always been and remains a maverick. He made a classic
business model mistake that has stiffled Apple's growth and still does
today. Jobs being one of the all time greedy and most arrogant SOB's
in world history had some initial success foolishly decided early on
to go with a closed architecture supposedly to hog all the profits.
This meant no other company could offer any expansion cards, even hard
drives or monitors, not even keyboards. Everything had to be Apple and
so it remained for years.

Meanwhile, IBM had a team headed by Don Estridge at Boca Raton Fl
quickly design a "personal" computer. Being very experienced and use
to working for a giant corporation he quickly decided the only way to
go was to use tested vendor technology that was already mostly
standardized and most important; base IBM's personal computer on open
architecture.

Newsweek magazine quickly called the IBM PC "a roaring success," and
the New York Times said, "The speed and extent to which IBM has been
successful has surprised many people, including IBM itself."

The time was 1981 just a few years after Apple's introduction of a
personal computer and quickly lost most of what little market it had,
IBM quickly gaining over 70% of the PC market which quickly expanded
due to some clever advertsing including unhead of before tv
commericals to pitch computers to Joe Average.

That was just the beginning. Because IBM used open architecture
several new companies sprang up overnight all offering IBM PC clones.
This of course drove the market and many new intovations quickly
followed. Shortly after there were over a 100 companies offering
personal computers. Two remain today, Dell and Gateway. Other major
players over the years have also joined the race, many others got
their foot in the door but didn't stick around long and for reasons
never really explained IBM in spite of their initial success never
really got serious about developing their PC line, one top executive
admitting they thought the personal computer was just a passing fad.
That probably is one of the biggest blunders in modern business
history considering how the personal computer market has grown where
today most households have at least one PC, many two or three which
PC's now found in nearly every country in the world.

So sorry, your view of history regarding personal computers is very
distorted. Nearly overnight since IBM jumped into the picture PC
clones have had almost 95% of the market and Apple has never recovered
from the early glory days that only last a few years.

Mac freaks are a special bunch. Loyal for sure, also fatanical, but
they are also a tiny minority and will so remain. Its a Windows world,
so sorry to burst your bubble Bubba.

It's a windows world only to those who refuse to open their eyes. IBM
is starting an offering for businesses which helps windows, mac and
linux interoperate better:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...using_Linux_Apple_PCs/articleshow/1594892.cms

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Nope. Just CLUELESS CUNTS LIKE YOU too stupid to work it out. Thank
the bittorent brigade."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Ted Landry]

OE puts your cursor above what you're quoting because Outlook puts your
cursor above what you're quoting. Top posting is probably a good idea for
email, but I think it is a bad idea for a newsgroup. Putting your cursor
there isn't necessarily wrong though. Inline posting is better if there are
multiple specific points to respond to, which is easier if you start at the
top.

yes, it's a user interface bug that should have been fixed before OE
shipped. but now, millions of people must suffer because microsoft
programmers didn't research how usenet works. so sad.

 

[Darkelldar]

So in your moronic estimation having over 90% of the personal computer
market means IBM clones are in shambles. Interesting spin, but
obviously you have no concept of reality.


There is nothing "high end" about OSX. For Pete's sake is mostly a
UNIX clone. Its been around for decades. You truly are a dummy.


More BS. Macs have just as many problems as Windows do. If they had 10
times the customers like the Windows platform does, changes are people
would find ten times more problems.

You can argue that Macs have some good points and they do. However the
typical Mac troll and that's all you are, hasn't and can't seem to be
objective. So you're one sided cheerleading while sticking your head
in the sand and ignoring all the negative things about Macs makes you
sound foolish.

Some dope such as yourself playing games on a Mac which is likely the
limit of your computer "expertise" trying to lecture people that use
their PC's for serious business purposes is laughable, but at times
I'll admit amusing. If you enjoy making a ass of yourself, please
continue. I can always use a chuckle or two and the Mac trolls provide
that.

So if I understand what you are saying is that OSX is to good for IBM PC's
running on Intel and AMD x86 processors and the rest of the PC hardware out
there?

Then I will for sure stay far away from those new Mac's using the Intel
Core2 processors because your OSX is far to good to run on IBM PC parts.

 

[Adam Albright]

So if I understand what you are saying is that OSX is to good for IBM PC's
running on Intel and AMD x86 processors and the rest of the PC hardware out
there?

Then I will for sure stay far away from those new Mac's using the Intel
Core2 processors because your OSX is far to good to run on IBM PC parts.

It seems you have awful reading comprehension.

 

[Ted Landry]

Again, if you have even a trace of decency in you, you'll stop posting
here. If you EVER had a single constructive thing to add to these
discussions, you'd be welcomed, but you never do. Your approach is
infantile in the extreme.

grow up Ron and get a Mac, the PC environment has made you senseless.

PLONK!

 

[Darkelldar]

Sorry Adam, That post was intended for Ted.

It seems you have awful reading comprehension.

 

[Ted Landry]

So if I understand what you are saying is that OSX is to good for IBM PC's
running on Intel and AMD x86 processors and the rest of the PC hardware out
there?

Yes, Apple had to go into Intel and shake them to build a powerful
enough processor worthy of OSX. The Intel Core Duo was the first that
was almost a match for what IBM was doing with their PowerPC processors.
PowerPC is still faster of course, especially in math but Intel is
starting to show some head way.

Then I will for sure stay far away from those new Mac's using the Intel
Core2 processors because your OSX is far to good to run on IBM PC parts.

Yes, you can't really run a sophisticated OS such as OSX on top of a box
of old IBM "parts", it requires more elegant hardware designs to support
apps such as this...

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/ichat/

AMD is showing some promise on the very high end, but AMD doesn't yet
have a consumer level processor able to run OSX at the level Apple
requires.

 

[Adam Albright]

grow up Ron and get a Mac, the PC environment has made you senseless.

PLONK!

People that need the self-gradification of announcing to a newsgroup
that they "plonked" somebody are obviously mentally inmature. How old
are you anyway Ted? My guess, whatever your physical age, your mental
age is about that of a six year old.

 

[Darkelldar]

Now I am really confused here.

Yes, Apple had to go into Intel and shake them to build a powerful
enough processor worthy of OSX. The Intel Core Duo was the first that

I don't think that Apple had anything to do with Intel developing the Core
2 Processor, AMD had the better CPU for a number of years taking market
share from Intel. Intel came back with the Core2 now AMD is following
behind.

was almost a match for what IBM was doing with their PowerPC processors.
PowerPC is still faster of course, especially in math but Intel is
starting to show some head way.

Then why switch to Intel if the PowerPC is a faster CPU ?

Yes, you can't really run a sophisticated OS such as OSX on top of a box
of old IBM "parts", it requires more elegant hardware designs to support
apps such as this...

So why go with Intel, ATI and nVidia parts in the Mac Pro. Makes it just a
PC like mine AMD 4200 x2, ATI X1900 XTX, nVidia based MB.

http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html This is your Link Ted

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/ichat/

AMD is showing some promise on the very high end, but AMD doesn't yet
have a consumer level processor able to run OSX at the level Apple
requires.

You are really not making any sense here, Is it the PC Hardware or the MS OS
you dont like because you are swinging both ways here by saying the OSX is
to sophisticated for hardware that Apple itself uses with its systems so
taking that into account Apple computers should have no problems at all
running Windows Vista because of its hardwares sophistication over an IBM
PC.

 

[ChrisM]

In message [email protected],

chris, that's all nice and cute... but it doesn't get to the reason
these debates exist...

here is the situation:

the mac world, is pulling world society forward on a massive scale...
the first real pc, first color monitors, first floppies, first mouse
first laser printers, first networking, first web access, first
digital cameras, created the www, first to have wireless, first real
mp3 player, etc.

while the PC world, is really "the old IBM punchcard world", they are
concerned with keeping the status quo, they don't like change, they DO
like complexity, they like expensive support, poorly written code,
loud, poorly built computers, etc. they are concerned with "keeping
people down"......

which is the complete antithesis of what the "mac world" is trying to
do.

SO you have conflict... what you see in a flame war is just that
"flame".

it's two difference sides pulling on each other. is either side right?
no, of course not. but the fun thing about the Mac world is we are
using computers and techniques a PC user won't see for 3-10 years, we
get to do the fun stuff, create, explore and have the best tools
while doing so.

pc users are kinda the "unconscious cogs of society", they typically
work at 9-5 jobs, are part of some corporate bureaucracy, have little
personal freedom and have no power "over" their computer, microsoft
controls "all" and they are fine with it. whereas mac users have total
control over their machines, and apple simply stays out of their way.

neither is right or wrong, it's just mac users pull society forward,
and pc users pull society back.

Bye Bye Troll...

(By the way, most people that I know that use Macs, work in 9-5 jobs - Ok,
they maybe 'artistic' jobs, but still 9-5)

 

[Ron Miller]

People that need the self-gradification of announcing to a newsgroup
that they "plonked" somebody are obviously mentally inmature. How old
are you anyway Ted? My guess, whatever your physical age, your mental
age is about that of a six year old.

There are numerous Mac trolls posting here. It may be the same person
using different personas, but if they really are different people, then
"Ted Landry" is the most desperately mentally ill of the bunch.
Rather than "plonking" him, it would be better if no one would rise to
the bait he dangles.

 

[Dale \Mad_Murdock\ White]

There are numerous Mac trolls posting here. It may be the same person
using different personas, but if they really are different people, then
"Ted Landry" is the most desperately mentally ill of the bunch.
Rather than "plonking" him, it would be better if no one would rise to the
bait he dangles.

I'm feeling pretty confident that Ted, Michele and Earthschol (the 3 I know
of) are all the same person. No hard proof other than 2 of them corrected me
because I like to write MAC instead of Mac. All of them have the same
approach and that is Someone has a critical problem and they offer no
answer, other than to buy a MAC and live happy, odd that 3 different people
would all share the same arrogant self serving approach.

Though it does appear that they have at least 2 different PCs, as looking at
the message properties, one is posted from a PPC MAC OSX and the other is
posted from Intel Mac OSX. All use the same 3.5.2 version of MT-Newswatcher,
and they all appear to use Quest.net for their ISPs

NNTP-Posting-Host: 43198bef.news.qwest.net
User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (Intel Mac OS X)

NNTP-Posting-Host: e75fb5c4.news.qwest.net
User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (PPC Mac OS X)

User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (PPC Mac OS X)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 18c22f0b.news.qwest.net

It would seem kinda sad, if a loyal Mac OSX user has to pretend to be
multiple people to try and make windows users feel bad about using Vista.

 

[Shane Nokes]

Ted I've owned Mac's and I've owned PC's and I'm about to own a Mac again
here soon.

That being said, you're still a moronic troll.

Market share cannot go down if you are gaining, only if you are losing.

Learn basic math

 

[Diamontina Cocktail]

That being the case with Macs. They actually ARE losing over 2 years.

 

[Ted Landry]

That being the case with Macs. They actually ARE losing over 2 years.

No. OSX has gained 1.8% share in the last 2 years, that has all come at
the expense of Windows, (and a tiny bit from Linux).

The public is wisening up about the error using Windows in the modern
world, so the switch to Macs continues exponentially.

---

Apple's marketshare continues to climb, up 34.6 per cent, year on year,
new statistics reveal. According to Net Applications' latest research...
Mac usage has climbed a phenomenal 52.8 per cent since January 2005.

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