A quick movie for Vista users! So funny!

[Ron Miller]

Who do you think you are all speaking for?

Did you miss the emoticon that shows that the post was tongue-in-cheek?

That said, I think I'm speaking for those of us who despise the trolling
that these Mac twits are doing on this Usenet group. They NEVER offer
any constructive suggestions. All they do is dash around randomly like
a bunch of preschoolers with Attention Deficit Disorder yelling, "Get a
Mac, get a Mac," regardless of the situation. Just as you'd shoo those
little children out of a serious discussion between adults, these trolls
are being asked to leave this one. They are defiling the spirit and
intent of Usenet. They have no manners, and they never show any
consideration for others. In other words, except for their language
skills, it's difficult to distinguish them from babies. If these trolls
are representative of those who favor Macs, then, for that reason alone,
I want no part of Apple computers.

 

[Ron Miller]

I agree with Ron... Thats why I use QT Alternative. Same thing goes for
RealTime. (I didn't want to be biased like some mac users)

Like Julie said, QT is bloatware. We know it works. We simply know
that there are much better ways to get the job done that the Apple way.

 

[Eric]

Hello Ted & Mayor of R'lyeh,

Questions:
1) Why are the many Mac users Posting within these Forums as you
repeatedly
Post the equal or very similar Post entirely bankrupt of morals and
specifically bankrupt for IT knowledge?

I'd guess they're posting as part of a "grass roots" campaign to get MS
users to consider Macs.

2) Appears too obvious the Mac users are seeking a genuine education
regarding Windows Vista by Posting such insane lame Post.

We're all seeking an education on Vista. MS has released very few details
on why Vista is any better than XP aside from the Windows Key + Tab Key
special display feature to see open applications displayed in a row.

3) Apparently, since Windows Vista is the most IT advanced, and secure OS
within our world, the lonely Mac users demonstrate their jealously
secondary
to the IT fact that the Mac inferior architecture is near 20-years behind
technology; remains absent online security, while remaining an elementary
PnP
OS.
4) If it is true that a Mac will run any and all applications, that alone
is
a self-testimony the Mac is the most in-secure OS within the market place.
The older applications are nothing other than hacker-happy applications
obviously making the Mac one absolutely in-secure OS!

That is the only real benefit I've heard of Vista, that is the vague idea
that it is supposed to be "more secure" than XP. I know very little however
regarding Macs so I don't know what they've done lately regarding security.
I have heard that Macs supposedly can run any software now that IBM PCs can
run, though the benefit initially from Macs was supposed to be that it can't
run any software and software was supposed to be harder to write for a Mac
to make it more secure and stable..

5) Do you not comprehend that IT technology is advancing; not reverting to
ancient times?

Hardware is certainly advancing, but as far as Vista is concerned, what is
so advanced, other than the idea that it is supposed to be more secure? I
haven't heard details on the security, and I don't consider the appearance
changes to be more advanced. I was not impressed with XP's green bubble
Start either and I currently run XP in Classic mode.

6) Question, why is Windows Vista currently being purchased by large
corporations as well as individual end users in record setting numbers?

Because corporations are already committed to using IBM PCs and MS server
software, and waited for the release of Vista to buy a batch of new PCs
which are all packaged with the OS.

7) Yes, from coincidence, accidently, while 8-year old Vista was preparing
for RTM Release (during the Christmas Season) Mac experienced a sales
surge.
Today, that has concluded, for obvious reasons, our world desires the most
state-of-the -art OS known as Windows Vista.

Calling Vista "state-of-the-art" right now is like calling WinME a massive
technological improvement to Win98.

8) There is a reason the military, nuclear submarines, NASA, and too many
others are using Windows Vista; not using the technology inferior Mac.
9) If you were not fully aware for the superiority within Windows Vista
(compared to Mac), your presence within these Forums would not exist,
other
than attempting learning the many benefits of Windows Vista user friendly
functionalities; and not spreading myth and rumor for self-promotion.

We all want to learn of the "many benefits" of Vista. What I've read of
them so far, half seem like drawbacks. For instance, I don't want the Run
option from the Start menu buried under Accessories, System Tools.. maybe
you should attempting learning some English.

10) For your personal needs, simply, Windows Vista merely is to technology
advanced for your academic level.

Vista is a resource hog, and Mac may be better for a lot of people depending
on their specific needs. I've never owned or worked on a computer that was
not IBM-compatible, or an OS that was not MS, but I'm not particularly
impressed with MS.

Question: How many times does it require a Mac user for re-reading the
same
Post before comprehending the Post content?

Instead of flaming the Mac supporter, maybe you could tell us what is so
great about Vista, and don't say if you get the premium version it includes
the Mahjong game that we could already get separately for years now..

Will you make your response Post on Top; please do not remain a *bottom
feeder* making your responses on the Bottom;, strongly reflecting your
need
to bottom feed sucking air just as Apple and Mac demonstrate while never
cognizant that technology is advancing forward as Vista; not retreating
backwards as Mac, and a few others as the facade "rival group".

Ted, Please continue your Posting while learning the many benefits from
using Windows Vista while repeatedly demonstrating your incredible
deficient
IT knowledge. One day you will know fact from fiction; better yet, just
purchase Retail Vista as so many others have done, stop using that free
Beta
software.

You don't like bottom posting? Many don't like top posting. Sure with
bottom posting you may have to scroll down past the post to start reading,
but if you're responding to that much stuff you can just snip what doesn't
apply. I prefer inline posting, where there is more than one specific point
to respond to.

 

[Ron Miller]

yeah, much of it is because they are still clinging to outlook as their
email program and microsoft choose the wrong default behavior for
newsgroups in outlook so they don't understand they are doing it wrong.

it's just another inept mistake by microsoft that ruins how a system
should work. for "email" top posting makes sense... since you are
usually dealing with only one author... but when you get into "groups",
you have to bottom post or it doesn't work.

so sad, ms is making fools of these newbies

This is getting a little creepy. There is just no end to the
foolishness in which you're willing to indulge, is there?
I'm beginning to think that you may be frankly psychotic, bipolar
perhaps, maybe paranoid schizophrenic. You're on heavy doses of
multiple drugs just to make it through the day, aren't you? I'd like to
think you could be helped, but personality disorders are notoriously
difficult to treat. If I'm wrong about the codeable psychiatric
diagnoses, there's still something very, very wrong with you.

Go away, you repulsive troll. We don't care where you go; just vanish.
It's not that anyone here is afraid to hear what you're saying. It's
just that you're a blathering fool with no more credibility than the
slugs in my garden.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Did you miss the emoticon that shows that the post was tongue-in-cheek?

That said, I think I'm speaking for those of us who despise the trolling
that these Mac twits are doing on this Usenet group. They NEVER offer
any constructive suggestions. All they do is dash around randomly like
a bunch of preschoolers with Attention Deficit Disorder yelling, "Get a
Mac, get a Mac," regardless of the situation. Just as you'd shoo those
little children out of a serious discussion between adults, these trolls
are being asked to leave this one. They are defiling the spirit and
intent of Usenet. They have no manners, and they never show any
consideration for others. In other words, except for their language
skills, it's difficult to distinguish them from babies. If these trolls
are representative of those who favor Macs, then, for that reason alone,
I want no part of Apple computers.

Sorry, it just seems rather presumptuous. I for the record don't mind
people discussing Macs here in comparison to Vista because it's still on
topic.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Nope. Just CLUELESS CUNTS LIKE YOU too stupid to work it out. Thank
the bittorent brigade."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Ted Landry]

This is getting a little creepy. There is just no end to the
foolishness in which you're willing to indulge, is there?
I'm beginning to think that you may be frankly psychotic, bipolar
perhaps, maybe paranoid schizophrenic. You're on heavy doses of
multiple drugs just to make it through the day, aren't you? I'd like to
think you could be helped, but personality disorders are notoriously
difficult to treat. If I'm wrong about the codeable psychiatric
diagnoses, there's still something very, very wrong with you.

Go away, you repulsive troll. We don't care where you go; just vanish.
It's not that anyone here is afraid to hear what you're saying. It's
just that you're a blathering fool with no more credibility than the
slugs in my garden.

not sure what most of your message is trying to convey, but at least you
know how to bottom-post, congrats Ron!

 

[Michael Jennings]

The transcripts are available here:
http://iowaconsumercase.org/index.html

A pdf of the Allchin email is available there:
http://www.iowaconsumercase.org/010807/PLEX_7264.pdf

I don't see how everybody lying their head off will improve things.

 

[Ted Landry]

I'd guess they're posting as part of a "grass roots" campaign to get MS
users to consider Macs.

it's more that Apple users are part of the original computer or "PC"
revolution from the 70's, so they are doing as they always have,
"getting power to the people" without having an IT staff... The IBM PC
and Windows set the world back about 10 years, and those people that
still are attempting to use Windows are caught in the past since their
foundation is so rocky. Mac users are just trying to help them.

Actually, Mac people are some of the most savvy IT people around. They
have no respect for the status quo, they only want the best. So it
pushes MS out of the enterprise in most situation. The problem is the
people that want to have IT jobs know Mac people are 100% correct and it
scares them...

No, Vista has a long way to go until it can be compared to OSX in terms
of security or being advanced enough for large IT departments. You are
forgetting OSX is far more battle tested in the field than any version
of Windows could ever hope to be. OSX and it's counterparts are what big
IT departments use for global security and reliable serving. Windows NT
and Vista just aren't cut out for these types of tasks.

Except OSX and OSX server is the most widely deployed, most secure Unix
based OS in major use today. It even dwarfs Sun in the deployed
installed base 20 to 1. Yes, Sun is the kingpin in the Server space, but
that will change in the years to come.

Yes, if a Mac is running Windows in the background, "Windows" could
still be compromised, but OSX is built so strongly (root / admin are
separated unlike any Unix built) there is technically no way to get into
a Mac machine unless you are physically in front of it. Apple has built
the most secure OS available today (for the mass market) so it scares a
lot of Windows users since they know the end is near for their OS. VMS
was never built to be on world wide networks, 24/7/365... OSX was...
since the beginning.

That is the only real benefit I've heard of Vista, that is the vague idea
that it is supposed to be "more secure" than XP. I know very little however
regarding Macs so I don't know what they've done lately regarding security.
I have heard that Macs supposedly can run any software now that IBM PCs can
run, though the benefit initially from Macs was supposed to be that it can't
run any software and software was supposed to be harder to write for a Mac
to make it more secure and stable..

Yes, and now that Apple provides the lowest cost servers and most secure
OS, companies are moving to them in droves. Wal-Mart (of all companies)
is in love with OSX for example.

Hardware is certainly advancing, but as far as Vista is concerned, what is
so advanced, other than the idea that it is supposed to be more secure? I
haven't heard details on the security, and I don't consider the appearance
changes to be more advanced. I was not impressed with XP's green bubble
Start either and I currently run XP in Classic mode.


Because corporations are already committed to using IBM PCs and MS server
software, and waited for the release of Vista to buy a batch of new PCs
which are all packaged with the OS.

Yes, because companies are still mistakenly buying into the "belief"
that you should only buy IBM, nothing else... BUT the fact is, they
could get rid of 70% of their IT staff if they would run the $$ numbers
and replace all their PCs with Macs. Now that Macs run all Windows
software, run OSX Server and replace exchange servers, this is now
possible, so it scares a LOT of IT folks since they know their days are
numbered.

http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/

People think the iPod is revolutionizing the Music world which is true.
But what they don't yet realize is OSX Server will revolutionize the IT
department, just the same. No top tier company competes with iron like
this, especially on price, features and speed.

http://www.apple.com/xserve/

Calling Vista "state-of-the-art" right now is like calling WinME a massive
technological improvement to Win98.

Correct, Vista is another kludge. MS better be working on a Unix based
OS which throws out all the other legacy code or game is OVER for them
in 10 years. Apple is going to trounce them.

We all want to learn of the "many benefits" of Vista. What I've read of
them so far, half seem like drawbacks. For instance, I don't want the Run
option from the Start menu buried under Accessories, System Tools.. maybe
you should attempting learning some English.

Correct, they aren't using Vista yet, and probably won't for a few
years. The REASON they got caught with NT in the first place is Apple
was mis-managed for about 8 years in the middle 90's, now that they have
come back and stronger than Microsoft in most cases, MS is really under
the gun to dump the NT platform and start anew.

OSX, OSX Server and Macs are unbeatable, they are just too advanced at
this point in the game. Sure, there is a lot of old Windows equipment
and even older "poorly trained" IT people that are fearful of their
jobs. OSX makes them obsolete, just like the Car made Horse obsolete. I
kinda feel sorry for them, especially since Microsoft doesn't seem to be
"getting it", Bill Gates is retiring and MS is unorganized and not
making quality products.

Vista is a resource hog, and Mac may be better for a lot of people depending
on their specific needs. I've never owned or worked on a computer that was
not IBM-compatible, or an OS that was not MS, but I'm not particularly
impressed with MS.

Correct, OSX is by far a more efficient system, it sips cpu cycles while
providing the most services of any OS sold today.

Instead of flaming the Mac supporter, maybe you could tell us what is so
great about Vista, and don't say if you get the premium version it includes
the Mahjong game that we could already get separately for years now..

Yes, as a general rule a Mac user will be more aware and experienced
with computer matters than a Windows user. You have to keep in mind Macs
come from the world center of computer development, so there is a lot of
technical, engineering types that use Macs. Windows comes from mainly a
"sea port", not much technical happens in the Washington area, so
Windows has always been a poor second fiddle to more advanced tasks,
products and users.

No, no. I'm right on track, you just appear very scared of Apple. I know
why but it appears you are pretty clueless about what Apple has been
doing for the last 10 years. I encourage you to go ahead and move up to
a Mac, run OSX and you'll see why it's a gear head's dream.

You don't like bottom posting? Many don't like top posting. Sure with
bottom posting you may have to scroll down past the post to start reading,
but if you're responding to that much stuff you can just snip what doesn't
apply. I prefer inline posting, where there is more than one specific point
to respond to.

Bottom posting is correct when you are talking with large groups, and
anyone might respond, today, this week or 2 years from now. Top posting
is the sure sign of someone that isn't very experienced in computing or
Usenet.

 

[Ted Landry]

Ted

Go to this website.. then scroll down to the two part Mac vs PC discussion..
you may learn something..

http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/

Didn't learn anything new... sorry... just this simple quote, which
might be nice for you to read over since it's SO TRUE!

"What makes Apple better than Microsoft is that they implement their
features with superior fit and finish, faster and with fewer resources"

yep! if you want the best, you get a Mac, just like I have been saying.

 

[Ted Landry]

Do you guys ever read your own posts on topics like this?
It's like reading messages by a bunch of kids!
My OS/Platform is better than yours! My dad is bigger than your dad...!

Basically MAC and PC are two very different platforms. They each have their
own strengths and weaknesses. No-one can deny that PC(in this case, I mean
Microsoft) has a much larger share, but that doesn't mean it is the better
platform for all applications. MAC is probably better at certain things,
especially very high powered graphical stuff, but that doesn't mean it is
the best choice for everything.
For goodness sake, just use the platform you want to, and accept the fact
that someone from the opposing 'camp' is unlikely to share your opinions!

chris, that's all nice and cute... but it doesn't get to the reason
these debates exist...

here is the situation:

the mac world, is pulling world society forward on a massive scale...
the first real pc, first color monitors, first floppies, first mouse
first laser printers, first networking, first web access, first digital
cameras, created the www, first to have wireless, first real mp3 player,
etc.

while the PC world, is really "the old IBM punchcard world", they are
concerned with keeping the status quo, they don't like change, they DO
like complexity, they like expensive support, poorly written code, loud,
poorly built computers, etc. they are concerned with "keeping people
down"......

which is the complete antithesis of what the "mac world" is trying to do.

SO you have conflict... what you see in a flame war is just that "flame".

it's two difference sides pulling on each other. is either side right?
no, of course not. but the fun thing about the Mac world is we are using
computers and techniques a PC user won't see for 3-10 years, we get to
do the fun stuff, create, explore and have the best tools while doing so.

pc users are kinda the "unconscious cogs of society", they typically
work at 9-5 jobs, are part of some corporate bureaucracy, have little
personal freedom and have no power "over" their computer, microsoft
controls "all" and they are fine with it. whereas mac users have total
control over their machines, and apple simply stays out of their way.

neither is right or wrong, it's just mac users pull society forward, and
pc users pull society back.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

If he see a flame war as you suggest, we need to blame the OP of this
thread for starting the flame war.
The large cross posting of off topic by the OP in itself suggests a flame
war was desired from the beginning.
So you are seeing the desired outcome which really had little to do with any
information of substance.

 

[Eric]

it's more that Apple users are part of the original computer or "PC"
revolution from the 70's, so they are doing as they always have,
"getting power to the people" without having an IT staff... The IBM PC
and Windows set the world back about 10 years, and those people that
still are attempting to use Windows are caught in the past since their
foundation is so rocky. Mac users are just trying to help them.

Actually, Mac people are some of the most savvy IT people around. They
have no respect for the status quo, they only want the best. So it
pushes MS out of the enterprise in most situation. The problem is the
people that want to have IT jobs know Mac people are 100% correct and it
scares them...

No, Vista has a long way to go until it can be compared to OSX in terms
of security or being advanced enough for large IT departments. You are
forgetting OSX is far more battle tested in the field than any version
of Windows could ever hope to be. OSX and it's counterparts are what big
IT departments use for global security and reliable serving. Windows NT
and Vista just aren't cut out for these types of tasks.

Except OSX and OSX server is the most widely deployed, most secure Unix
based OS in major use today. It even dwarfs Sun in the deployed
installed base 20 to 1. Yes, Sun is the kingpin in the Server space, but
that will change in the years to come.

Yes, if a Mac is running Windows in the background, "Windows" could
still be compromised, but OSX is built so strongly (root / admin are
separated unlike any Unix built) there is technically no way to get into
a Mac machine unless you are physically in front of it. Apple has built
the most secure OS available today (for the mass market) so it scares a
lot of Windows users since they know the end is near for their OS. VMS
was never built to be on world wide networks, 24/7/365... OSX was...
since the beginning.

Yes, and now that Apple provides the lowest cost servers and most secure
OS, companies are moving to them in droves. Wal-Mart (of all companies)
is in love with OSX for example.

Yes, because companies are still mistakenly buying into the "belief"
that you should only buy IBM, nothing else... BUT the fact is, they
could get rid of 70% of their IT staff if they would run the $$ numbers
and replace all their PCs with Macs. Now that Macs run all Windows
software, run OSX Server and replace exchange servers, this is now
possible, so it scares a LOT of IT folks since they know their days are
numbered.

http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/

People think the iPod is revolutionizing the Music world which is true.
But what they don't yet realize is OSX Server will revolutionize the IT
department, just the same. No top tier company competes with iron like
this, especially on price, features and speed.

http://www.apple.com/xserve/

Correct, Vista is another kludge. MS better be working on a Unix based
OS which throws out all the other legacy code or game is OVER for them
in 10 years. Apple is going to trounce them.

Correct, they aren't using Vista yet, and probably won't for a few
years. The REASON they got caught with NT in the first place is Apple
was mis-managed for about 8 years in the middle 90's, now that they have
come back and stronger than Microsoft in most cases, MS is really under
the gun to dump the NT platform and start anew.

OSX, OSX Server and Macs are unbeatable, they are just too advanced at
this point in the game. Sure, there is a lot of old Windows equipment
and even older "poorly trained" IT people that are fearful of their
jobs. OSX makes them obsolete, just like the Car made Horse obsolete. I
kinda feel sorry for them, especially since Microsoft doesn't seem to be
"getting it", Bill Gates is retiring and MS is unorganized and not
making quality products.

Correct, OSX is by far a more efficient system, it sips cpu cycles while
providing the most services of any OS sold today.

Yes, as a general rule a Mac user will be more aware and experienced
with computer matters than a Windows user. You have to keep in mind Macs
come from the world center of computer development, so there is a lot of
technical, engineering types that use Macs. Windows comes from mainly a
"sea port", not much technical happens in the Washington area, so
Windows has always been a poor second fiddle to more advanced tasks,
products and users.

No, no. I'm right on track, you just appear very scared of Apple. I know
why but it appears you are pretty clueless about what Apple has been
doing for the last 10 years. I encourage you to go ahead and move up to
a Mac, run OSX and you'll see why it's a gear head's dream.

Bottom posting is correct when you are talking with large groups, and
anyone might respond, today, this week or 2 years from now. Top posting
is the sure sign of someone that isn't very experienced in computing or
Usenet.

That is mostly fluff, and attempting to say "my OS is better than yours",
while you don't really mention any more facts than the Vista guy. Instead
of boasting that Mac will replace IBM PCs, try explaining why. Compare
actual features, and remember that usability is very important. Remember
that while the next generation growing up may be more knowledgeable about
computers, they are also lazier and don't want to learn any more than they
need. Unless they are forced to learn your Mac OS in our school system,
they will probably stick with what they know, which is what their parents
have, which for most of them is IBM PCs.

In your attempt to boast that your system is "better", you mention what also
sounds like a negative, "there is technically no way to get into a Mac
machine unless you are physically in front of it." What if you WANT to get
into it remotely? If something needs to be changed in the middle of the
night, your IT guy has to drive in to the office? Who's going to fly the IT
guy in the corporate office in New York out to the computer in the Milwaukee
office?

You need to do some studying on analogies. The car did not make the horse
"obsolete". Horses are still alive today. They just don't exactly serve
the purpose they might have 150 years ago. I did see plenty of horse drawn
vehicles on the road just yesterday. Better yet, don't try to use
analogies, just state factual comparisons.

 

[Eric]

Didn't learn anything new... sorry... just this simple quote, which
might be nice for you to read over since it's SO TRUE!

"What makes Apple better than Microsoft is that they implement their
features with superior fit and finish, faster and with fewer resources"

yep! if you want the best, you get a Mac, just like I have been saying.

Another dumb generalization from the Mac guy. Any facts to back that up?

 

[Ted Landry]

MACS are for elitist brain-dead snobs that can't figure out that
they are using a platform with barely no support from anyone but
Apple.

If everyone used a MAC, we'd still be stuck in 1979.

Honu

Wake up, Honu!

The situation has changed fundamentally since SJ switched to Intel,
see, e. g.

http://screen-online.de/blog/archives/000475.php[/QUOTE]

Yes, Honu...

You need to learn/understand what is happening here. Apple is now the
primary leader of the PC market. Yes, there was a dark time around
1991-97 that Apple lost it's leadership of the PC movement, and that
allowed MS to begin to catch up.

Now, things are in reverse. Microsoft must downsize the company, get rid
of many of their products, fire an estimated 22,000 to stay competitive.
Vista is a true sign they aren't performing well. Microsoft stock has
taken a nose dive since Vista was released, the public now knows they
have released another market failure, almost as bad as the Zune.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&t=5d&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

Steve Ballmer will have to be fired before any real change can happen
for MS or your computer (those are the facts)

Macs (and just so you know, only idiots capitalize it as MAC) are by far
the machine / OS to have if you want the very best in computing. The Mac
software library is much more advanced than the Windows one, the
hardware is 4-9 years ahead of anything on the PC, and the prices are
the same as any of the top tier PC Vendors such as HP, DeLL, Gateway,
etc.

Apple is now the world's number 3 PC vendor, eclipsing Gateway this
month. Beating DeLL will take a little longer, Apple was last No. 1
around 1995. But since DeLL makes such poorly built products, it won't
be long before Apple is No. 2 (about 2 more years) then HP will be
pushed out in the 5-7 year time frame.

PC vendors are stuck since they only have Windows to rely on. OSX is the
OS to have if you are a "geek" a "power user" or just want to "have
fun", so those vendors have nothing to sell against a much stronger
competitor.

So look at a few of their 400+ products and you'll be quite shocked by
how advanced they are....

http://www.apple.com/imac/
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
http://www.apple.com/macpro/
http://www.apple.com/macbook/
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

It's kinda like looking at a year 2012 PC running Windows "Perspective'
or whatever they try and call it then.

-

 

[bp]

Didn't learn anything new... sorry... just this simple quote, which
might be nice for you to read over since it's SO TRUE!

"What makes Apple better than Microsoft is that they implement their
features with superior fit and finish, faster and with fewer resources"

yep! if you want the best, you get a Mac, just like I have been saying.

If your MAC is so good why does it have a Windows emulater?

 

[bp]

No, Vista has a long way to go until it can be compared to OSX in terms
of security or being advanced enough for large IT departments. You are
forgetting OSX is far more battle tested in the field than any version
of Windows could ever hope to be

This is the silliest thing I have ever heard.

 

[Ted Landry]

Quoted out of context...he was joking, but then MAC users have no sense of
humor and therefore cannot discern when someone is telling a joke.

MACs are for adolescent snobs that like to claim they are better than anyone
else because they use a glorified etch-a-sketch.

no! it wasn't taken out of context, that is what is so scary! he was
seriously sad about how microsoft had been developing products.

read it here!

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/110354.asp

or right here... letter by letter, word by word...

From: Jim Allchin
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:38 AM
To: Bill Gates; Steve Ballmer
Subject: losing our way...

This is a rant. I'm sorry.

I am not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our
customers (both business and home) the most, but in my view we lost our
way. I think our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what
resilience means, what full scenarios mean, what security means, what
performance means, how important current applications are, and really
understanding what the most important problems [our] customers face are.
I see lots of random features and some great vision, but that doesn't
translate onto great products.

I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft. If you
run the equivalent of VPC on a MAC you get access to basically all
Windows application software (although not the hardware). Apple did not
lose their way. You must watch this new video below. I know this doesn't
show anything for businesses, but my point is about the philosophy that
Apple uses. They think scenario. They think simple. They think fast. I
know there is nothing hugely deep in this.

http://www.apple.com/ilife/video/ilife04_32C.html [Note: link no
longer works]

(added: working link)

http://www.apple.com/ilife/

I must tell you everything in my soul tells me that we should do
what I called plan (b) yesterday We need a simple fast storage system.
LH is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem. If we are to
rise to the challenge of Linux and Apple, we need to start taking the
lessons of "scenario, simple, fast" to heart.

jim

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bottom line is... no amount of money in the world can fix microsoft
quickly, they have no resources to make program suites on the level of
iLife, much less try and compete against OSX or Final Cut level software.

they are a heavy, sinking ship without rudder. only massive downsizing
can help them.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

no! it wasn't taken out of context, that is what is so scary! he was
seriously sad about how microsoft had been developing products.

read it here!
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/110354.asp

or right here... letter by letter, word by word...

From: Jim Allchin
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:38 AM
To: Bill Gates; Steve Ballmer
Subject: losing our way...

This is a rant...<snip> If we are to
rise to the challenge of Linux and Apple, we need to start taking the
lessons of "scenario, simple, fast" to heart.

This is my favorite part!

The thing is, Jim is right and Bill and Steve still sat on their arses
and did nothing. Bill is starting to come around, but Steve is probably
never going to be able to be objective about their software again, he's
too much of a Billy butt boy now.

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[Ted Landry]

That is mostly fluff, and attempting to say "my OS is better than yours",
while you don't really mention any more facts than the Vista guy. Instead
of boasting that Mac will replace IBM PCs, try explaining why. Compare
actual features, and remember that usability is very important. Remember
that while the next generation growing up may be more knowledgeable about
computers, they are also lazier and don't want to learn any more than they
need. Unless they are forced to learn your Mac OS in our school system,
they will probably stick with what they know, which is what their parents
have, which for most of them is IBM PCs.

the facts are well known, but if you want a homework assignment young
man, go to the links below and THEN go find me a PC that closely matches
each of those specs... for a similar price (bet you can't!)

Be sure the PC(s) includes the features of iLife (iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD,
iTunes, Garageband) make sure they have wireless, make sure they all
have a remote control to view your iLife (or similar) projects, make
sure it has FireWire ports, make sure it's "silent" during operation,
make sure all the ones with Monitors also have built in cameras... then
with the Laptops, make sure they are as thin, have 4 hour battery life,
firewire ports, and 802.11n.

http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html
http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html
http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html
http://www.apple.com/macbook/specs.html
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html

Use 'lowest cost" for both the PC and the Mac... don't make the common
PC user mistake of using a cheap PC, then only showing full Retail price
for the Mac. Again, use the cheapest for both.

Get back with us okay? I think you'll find exactly what I've said all
along... "if you want the most features, for the least amount of money",
you'll get a Mac every time.

In your attempt to boast that your system is "better", you mention what also
sounds like a negative, "there is technically no way to get into a Mac
machine unless you are physically in front of it." What if you WANT to get
into it remotely? If something needs to be changed in the middle of the
night, your IT guy has to drive in to the office? Who's going to fly the IT
guy in the corporate office in New York out to the computer in the Milwaukee
office?

Ah, are you just being naive? If you are "allowed" into a Mac there are
dozens of ways in. Apple sells the highly awarded Apple Remote Desktop

http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/

There are about 9 VNC clients...

The program that started it all in the 80's "Timbuktu" is still around,
and several others.

http://www.netopia.com/software/products/tb2/mac/

You need to do some studying on analogies. The car did not make the horse
"obsolete". Horses are still alive today. They just don't exactly serve
the purpose they might have 150 years ago. I did see plenty of horse drawn
vehicles on the road just yesterday. Better yet, don't try to use
analogies, just state factual comparisons.

Don't be dumb. The horse was certainly the main mode of transportation
before the car. That's why car engines are rated by "horse power", duh!

Analogies are powerful when used correctly. Yes, there are some people
who are poorly educated... so an analogy is too sophisticated a method
in which to illustrate comparisons. "but most people" reading these
forums can handle a more complex level of thought. Perhaps you can't? is
that the problem?

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[Ted Landry]

This is the silliest thing I have ever heard.

how so? OSX has been tested much longer than Windows, it dates back to
the early 70's before Microsoft was even around... follow the Unix
history chart back... follow the OSX line back and you'll see Windows
doesn't even compare in terms of being "battle tested" more than OSX.

http://www.levenez.com/unix/