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Hey NoStop, stop and take time to read the latest Secunia Vulnerabilities
Summary Listing:
It has 4 new entries for Windows and more than 40 for Linux.

The plain fact is that UNIX/Linux systems are no more secure then Windows.
After Ubuntu (the flavor of the month) fades what will be the next great
product, maybe they will name it Linzux - Raw or Cooked.

Flaw #1 in your reasoning: Microsoft has a secrecy policy regarding
vulnerabilities. Security researchers who don't cooperate with that policy
will find essential future cooperation cut off. All you're comparing here
is *reported* vulnerabilities for two operating systems, one of which
tries to exercise tight control over reports of vulnerabilties and the
other of which is very forthcoming.

http://www.securius.com/newsletters/Windows_EXPloitable.html

"While reputable computer security practitioners would be likely to
agree that publishing exploit code is irresponsible, Microsoft is
interested in suppressing any public discussions of vulnerabilities.
The company is now pushing for embargoes on third party security alerts
in order to provide time for fixes. Microsoft's certified security
partners must agree to not disclose vulnerabilities they discover."

This is actually a well-balanced article and explains the reasons for
Microsoft's policy. Though I personally disagree with
security-by-obscurity, it's at least possible for others to make the
argument that Microsoft's reasons are good. But nevertheless, this policy
makes a comparison of publicly-ported Linux and Windows vulnerabilities
one-sided and meaningless.

Flaw #2 in you reasoning: Being open-source makes it easy for anyone in
the world to scour Linux source code for vulnerabilities. *Most*
vulnerabilities in Linux were discovered in the laboratory and fixed
before they could be used in the real world.

Flaw #3 in you reasoning: Linux vulnerabilities are often reported
multiple times, once for each distribution containing it. For example
today's Secunia report lists the same identical vulnerability three
times - once each for Mandrake, RedHat, and Debian.

Flaw #4 in your reasoning: Linux users and developers are more paranoid
than their Windows counterparts. Minor vulnerabilities that only
get a shrug out of Windows, would send Linux users into a tizzy. Security
reports reflect this greater sensitivity.

Here's a pretty good article on some Windows-vs-Linux security myths:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/22/linux_v_windows_security/

This article deals with three myths:

Myth: Windows only gets attacked most because it's such a big target,
and if Linux use (or indeed OS X use) grew then so would the number of
attacks.

Myth: Open Source Software is inherently dangerous because its source
code is widely available, whereas Windows 'blueprints' are carefully
guarded by Microsoft.

Myth: Statistics 'prove' that Windows has fewer, less serious security
issues than Linux, that Windows issues are always fixed, and that they
are fixed faster.

One quote from the article:

"This aside, simply claiming that Windows is more secure than Linux
because the time from discovery of vulnerability to release of patch is
greater for Linux skips consideration of the importance of what gets
fixed. A comparison of 40 recent security patches with reference to
Windows Server 2003 and Red Hat Advanced Server AS v3 shows that
Windows experienced the most severe security holes, while Red Hat had
only a handful (four) which rated as critical. It is also arguable that
Microsoft understates vulnerabilities in Windows Server, because some
flaws are deemed not critical for Server on the basis of system
defaults which are in many operational scenarios impossible to adhere
to. For Red Hat, on the other hand, there is an argument that in
Petrelely's analysis we have overstated the extent of critical
vulnerabilities (Red Hat does not assign severity levels), and very few
of them would allow a malicious hacker to perform mischief at
administrator level."
 
Almost all Linux vulnerabilities get a fix usually within HOURS of their
discovery, unlike Windows where they might get fixed in next month's
patch release if they get fixed at all......

Also Linux users will consider something a vulnerability that Windows
users would just take for granted. For example if Linux web browsers could
allow malicious code to infect the system just by clicking on a web
page, that would be a very serious vulnerability demanding immediate
action. But Windows users use ActiveX all the time and think nothing of
it. ;o]
 
Flaw #1 in your reasoning:

You've done a commendable job of outlining all the ways that JS is wrong.
Unfortunately, to suggest that there is any "reasoning" in what he has to
say is giving that Wintard far more credit than he deserves. There's
nothing "reasoned" about what he's got to say. That would require some
intelligence on his part and he has demonstrated time and time again that
he's a few bricks short of a load in that department.

But thanks anyways for YOUR reasoned post. Maybe some Wintard will read it
and finally get the message?

--
WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.

The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613

Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...


View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
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Gordon,

you know and I know that we can't agree on which system is perfect.
None of the systems on market are perfect. We have to use the tools
that are best/fit for the purpose. If linux is so good why on earth
have I not come across any serious business using it?
Probably because you don't hang out with "serious" businesses, you Wintard.

I guess an outfit like Google isn't a "serious business". Yeh, sure. Now go
away and play with your toy operating system. You use Wintendo, don't you?


--
WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.

The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613

Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...


View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://shots.osdir.com/
 
Hmmm
I just wonder whether it is the owner /operator in your case.

I maintain and train people on applications on XP run computers, about 30
all told. Since Xp came out my business has dropped because of almost NO
operating system problems.

"Maintain" is exactly what Windblows computers require, just to keep the
damn things running. Obviously, you're a guru, having a whole 30 computers
to "maintain". Must keep you hopping. :-)


--
WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.

The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613

Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...


View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://shots.osdir.com/
 
It's there to protect Windblows boxes that rely on a Linux server for such
things as mail. Man, are you dumb. And you say you've been a Linux
administrator? What a load of bullshit or you wouldn't come up with such
silly statements.


--
WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.

The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613

Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...


View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://shots.osdir.com/
 
Gordon said:
vernon wrote:

True.

Eh? Where on earth do you get THAT from? It's the reverse! The BIG zaps
are
on WINDOWS servers!

SURE

Name ONE. Forget internet servers.
Which server system is / was in operation where the personal data was
stolen?

Oh, have they added numeric keypads to keyboards in Britain? How long is
the training period?
When did they move from CP/M to Unix?
 
Gordon said:
Because (in the main) of MS's historic predatory dealings with OEMs......
And also all the usual proprietary software lock-in methods.


Yep, it's a big conspiracy. Does this have to do with the DaVinci code? It
must.
The next thing you are going to tell us is that the American / English
language is also controlled by M.S. After all, they are in California.
 
Gordon said:
Almost all Linux vulnerabilities get a fix usually within HOURS of their
discovery, unlike Windows where they might get fixed in next month's patch
release if they get fixed at all......


Spoken like a true non-M.S user. DUHHHHHH

There is a major vulnerability in Linux. There is little compatibility with
real world daily software. It wont be fixed in next month's release.
 
arachnid said:
Almost all Linux vulnerabilities get a fix usually within HOURS of their
discovery, unlike Windows where they might get fixed in next month's
patch release if they get fixed at all......

Also Linux users will consider something a vulnerability that Windows
users would just take for granted. For example if Linux web browsers could
allow malicious code to infect the system just by clicking on a web
page, that would be a very serious vulnerability demanding immediate
action. But Windows users use ActiveX all the time and think nothing of
it. ;o]

Yes, windows users actual use their computers.

BTW, just by clicking on a WEB page? Talk about total ignorance. Why so
ignorant?
 
arachnid said:
Flaw #1 in your reasoning: Microsoft has a secrecy policy regarding
vulnerabilities.

SURE.

No one outside M.S. is smart enough. I'm sure the programmers take that as
a compliment.. There are thousands of experts who do NOT work for M.S. and
never have who let the WORLD know when there is any vulnerability.

Good Grief.

Or are you saying that there are not enough Linux users for any
vulnerability to be known unless informed by Linux.

Linux is a GREAT O.S.

But let's not get ridiculous.
 
vernon said:
Spoken like a true non-M.S user. DUHHHHHH

There is a major vulnerability in Linux. There is little compatibility
with
real world daily software. It wont be fixed in next month's release.

Think you'll find it's been fixed ALREADY......
 
vernon said:
arachnid said:
JS wrote:

I would not assume at this point which have or not have been fixed.

JS

Almost all Linux vulnerabilities get a fix usually within HOURS of their
discovery, unlike Windows where they might get fixed in next month's
patch release if they get fixed at all......

Also Linux users will consider something a vulnerability that Windows
users would just take for granted. For example if Linux web browsers
could allow malicious code to infect the system just by clicking on a web
page, that would be a very serious vulnerability demanding immediate
action. But Windows users use ActiveX all the time and think nothing of
it. ;o]

Yes, windows users actual use their computers.

BTW, just by clicking on a WEB page? Talk about total ignorance. Why so
ignorant?

Oh dear, never heard of drive-by infection? NOW who's ignorant?
 
Gordon said:
vernon said:
arachnid said:
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:46:25 +0100, Gordon wrote:

JS wrote:

I would not assume at this point which have or not have been fixed.

JS

Almost all Linux vulnerabilities get a fix usually within HOURS of
their
discovery, unlike Windows where they might get fixed in next month's
patch release if they get fixed at all......

Also Linux users will consider something a vulnerability that Windows
users would just take for granted. For example if Linux web browsers
could allow malicious code to infect the system just by clicking on a
web
page, that would be a very serious vulnerability demanding immediate
action. But Windows users use ActiveX all the time and think nothing of
it. ;o]

Yes, windows users actual use their computers.

BTW, just by clicking on a WEB page? Talk about total ignorance. Why so
ignorant?

Oh dear, never heard of drive-by infection? NOW who's ignorant?


Gee, impossible.
Define what YOU call a WEB page. Clicking on a popup results in a WEB
"page", yes.
Define infection. A cookie?
 
Yep, it's a big conspiracy. Does this have to do with the DaVinci code?
It must.

You sure are a Wintard aren't you?
The next thing you are going to tell us is that the American / English
language is also controlled by M.S. After all, they are in California.

No, your beloved MickeyMouse is based in Redmond, Washington. You've been
bowing in the wrong direction all this time?


--
WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.

The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613

Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...


View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://shots.osdir.com/
 
Gordon said:
vernon said:
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:46:25 +0100, Gordon wrote:

JS wrote:

I would not assume at this point which have or not have been fixed.

JS

Almost all Linux vulnerabilities get a fix usually within HOURS of
their
discovery, unlike Windows where they might get fixed in next month's
patch release if they get fixed at all......

Also Linux users will consider something a vulnerability that Windows
users would just take for granted. For example if Linux web browsers
could allow malicious code to infect the system just by clicking on a
web
page, that would be a very serious vulnerability demanding immediate
action. But Windows users use ActiveX all the time and think nothing of
it. ;o]


Yes, windows users actual use their computers.

BTW, just by clicking on a WEB page? Talk about total ignorance. Why
so ignorant?

Oh dear, never heard of drive-by infection? NOW who's ignorant?


Gee, impossible.
Define what YOU call a WEB page. Clicking on a popup results in a WEB
"page", yes.
Define infection. A cookie?

Ignorant twit. Go and play more games on your Wintendo machine. You
obviously know little about computers.

--
WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.

The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613

Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...


View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://shots.osdir.com/
 
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