XP Startup Problems

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Linda Antonsson

Hi,

Sorry to be reposting this, but this should hopefully be a slightly
clearer description of the problem.

Lately (the last weeks or so), my computer (running XP Home) has been
behaving oddly at startup.

It gets to the point where I see my desktop (or rather, the Explorer
window, as I always have it open) and a few of the autostart programs
load fine (I can see this because some of them put icons in the activity
field). However, at some point during the startup sequence, it hangs for
a while before the rest of them load up. Since some programs load
entirely in the background, without putting any icons in the activity
field, for example) I can't tell for sure which program is the first to
load after the delay. If I could figure that out somehow, I imagine
that'd be the likely culprit.

During this delay, the pointer is normal if I keep it over the regular
window area, but turns into an hourglass if I move it to the taskbar.
And if I try to access the internet during this period (I have a DSL
connection), I can't. So, it seems the network hasn't managed to load.
Eventually, it does continue loading programs, but one thing it never
manages to load is the activity field icon for the volume control. The
network, however, does work once its done loading stuff.

The only time in the last weeks that the computer has started up
normally was after I did a System Restore. Then everything loaded
smoothly, and the volume icon showed up too. It seems things may have
been done in a different sequence then, or maybe things just loaded in
the background since the atcual restore does make it take longer before
you get to the point where you see the desktop. However, on the next
startup after the Restore, the problem was back again.

Any thoughts on what the program (or programs) that causes the delay
might be? I have checked for viruses and spyware and found nothing such.
I have also tried disabling non-essential startup programs through
msconfig, but still no luck.

Occasionally, I also experience problems when shutting down. What
happens then is that when I tell it to shutdown, it clears the desktop
of everything, so that I only see the background image (no taskbar, no
program icons, etc) , but it never gets to the blue screen after. But
this problem is much rarer, occuring perhaps once or twice a month, so I
think that may be relatively 'normal' for XP?

Linda
 
C

Chris Woods

Hi,

Sorry to be reposting this, but this should hopefully be a slightly
clearer description of the problem.

Lately (the last weeks or so), my computer (running XP Home) has been
behaving oddly at startup.

It gets to the point where I see my desktop (or rather, the Explorer
window, as I always have it open) and a few of the autostart programs
load fine (I can see this because some of them put icons in the activity
field). However, at some point during the startup sequence, it hangs for
a while before the rest of them load up. Since some programs load
entirely in the background, without putting any icons in the activity
field, for example) I can't tell for sure which program is the first to
load after the delay. If I could figure that out somehow, I imagine
that'd be the likely culprit.

If you are comfortable with using the computer you could also go to
the Boot.ini tab in MSCONFIG and select /bootlog. Then after bootup
read the boot log in c:\ and look for failures to load.
During this delay, the pointer is normal if I keep it over the regular
window area, but turns into an hourglass if I move it to the taskbar.
And if I try to access the internet during this period (I have a DSL
connection), I can't. So, it seems the network hasn't managed to load.
Eventually, it does continue loading programs, but one thing it never
manages to load is the activity field icon for the volume control. The
network, however, does work once its done loading stuff.

Volume control is not something that is loaded. It is an option. To
turn on go to your control panel off the Start button. In classic
mode go to Sounds and Devices. In the Volume tab there is an option
called "Place volume icon in the taskbar"
The only time in the last weeks that the computer has started up
normally was after I did a System Restore. Then everything loaded
smoothly, and the volume icon showed up too. It seems things may have
been done in a different sequence then, or maybe things just loaded in
the background since the atcual restore does make it take longer before
you get to the point where you see the desktop. However, on the next
startup after the Restore, the problem was back again.

You might want to delete all your files in the sub folder called
Prefetch in the Windows directory. These files are cached files to
speed up loading programs. Maybe one of them went corrupt. Deleting
the files will cause no problem other then to slow down the initial
bootup while it creates new cached files.
Any thoughts on what the program (or programs) that causes the delay
might be? I have checked for viruses and spyware and found nothing such.
I have also tried disabling non-essential startup programs through
msconfig, but still no luck.

I know for me when my Firewall "Zonealarm" starts to load it stops
everything from working until its up and running. Sometimes this can
take a while and cause a delay.
Occasionally, I also experience problems when shutting down. What
happens then is that when I tell it to shutdown, it clears the desktop
of everything, so that I only see the background image (no taskbar, no
program icons, etc) , but it never gets to the blue screen after. But
this problem is much rarer, occuring perhaps once or twice a month, so I
think that may be relatively 'normal' for XP?

Linda
Hope this helps.

Chris
 
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Linda Antonsson

If you are comfortable with using the computer you could also go to
the Boot.ini tab in MSCONFIG and select /bootlog. Then after bootup
read the boot log in c:\ and look for failures to load.

Thanks, I'll try that. :)
Volume control is not something that is loaded. It is an option. To
turn on go to your control panel off the Start button. In classic
mode go to Sounds and Devices. In the Volume tab there is an option
called "Place volume icon in the taskbar"

The thing is, I have that option selected, and it used to place the icon
the taskbar on startup before these problems started.
You might want to delete all your files in the sub folder called
Prefetch in the Windows directory. These files are cached files to
speed up loading programs. Maybe one of them went corrupt. Deleting
the files will cause no problem other then to slow down the initial
bootup while it creates new cached files.

I'll try that too, it sounds plausible enough.

Hopefully one of your suggestions will do the trick, and in any case,
thanks for the help. :)

Linda
 
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Bill Vivant

Linda Antonsson said:
Hopefully one of your suggestions will do the trick, and in any case,
thanks for the help. :)


I, also, have been experiencing slow loading, especially after
the point where I select a User account and the screen says it's
loading personal settings. I also have tried turning off startup
items and services, but with no great success at shortening the
startup process. I that it may be making some kind of backup
file for a possible system restore request, but I have no way of
knowing what it's really doing. Please post of you have any luck.

-Bill Vivant-
 
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thecreator

Hi Bill and Linda,

Do this to get back the icons. The problem is from your anti-virus
program you are using.

Don't restart the computer. Just log off your Windows XP Identity. Now
log back onto the Identity you just logged off from.
 
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Linda Antonsson

Chris said:
If you are comfortable with using the computer you could also go to
the Boot.ini tab in MSCONFIG and select /bootlog. Then after bootup
read the boot log in c:\ and look for failures to load.

I did this, but for some reason, I am not getting a log. Any idea why?
Do I need to change some other settings too?
You might want to delete all your files in the sub folder called
Prefetch in the Windows directory. These files are cached files to
speed up loading programs. Maybe one of them went corrupt. Deleting
the files will cause no problem other then to slow down the initial
bootup while it creates new cached files.

I tried this as well, but unfortunately it didn't solve the problem.

Linda
 
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Linda Antonsson

thecreator said:
Hi Bill and Linda,

Do this to get back the icons. The problem is from your anti-virus
program you are using.

I don't have an anti-virus loading on startup, however. I have it set to
load only when I load it manually. Could it still be causing this slowdown?

Linda
 
C

Chuck

Hi,

Sorry to be reposting this, but this should hopefully be a slightly
clearer description of the problem.

Lately (the last weeks or so), my computer (running XP Home) has been
behaving oddly at startup.

It gets to the point where I see my desktop (or rather, the Explorer
window, as I always have it open) and a few of the autostart programs
load fine (I can see this because some of them put icons in the activity
field). However, at some point during the startup sequence, it hangs for
a while before the rest of them load up. Since some programs load
entirely in the background, without putting any icons in the activity
field, for example) I can't tell for sure which program is the first to
load after the delay. If I could figure that out somehow, I imagine
that'd be the likely culprit.

During this delay, the pointer is normal if I keep it over the regular
window area, but turns into an hourglass if I move it to the taskbar.
And if I try to access the internet during this period (I have a DSL
connection), I can't. So, it seems the network hasn't managed to load.
Eventually, it does continue loading programs, but one thing it never
manages to load is the activity field icon for the volume control. The
network, however, does work once its done loading stuff.

The only time in the last weeks that the computer has started up
normally was after I did a System Restore. Then everything loaded
smoothly, and the volume icon showed up too. It seems things may have
been done in a different sequence then, or maybe things just loaded in
the background since the atcual restore does make it take longer before
you get to the point where you see the desktop. However, on the next
startup after the Restore, the problem was back again.

Any thoughts on what the program (or programs) that causes the delay
might be? I have checked for viruses and spyware and found nothing such.
I have also tried disabling non-essential startup programs through
msconfig, but still no luck.

Linda,

What virus and spyware checkers did you try? Did you update signature
files first?

Can you start Task Manager (Ctrl-Alt-Dlt) while this is happening?

Can you think of anything done to the system just before this problem
started?

Cheers,

Chuck
I hate spam - PLEASE get rid of the spam before emailing me!
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
 
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Linda Antonsson

Chuck said:
Linda,

What virus and spyware checkers did you try? Did you update signature
files first?

I've tried SpyBot and Ad Aware. The virus scanner is Kaspersky Anti
Virus, and I did make sure the signature files were updated.
Can you start Task Manager (Ctrl-Alt-Dlt) while this is happening?

Yes, I can.
Can you think of anything done to the system just before this problem
started?

Afraid not. I can't pin down just when it started as for a while I was
putting on the computer and doing other stuff before actually starting
to use it, so it may have taken quite a while before I noticed the slowness.

Linda
 
C

Chuck

Chuck wrote:

I've tried SpyBot and Ad Aware. The virus scanner is Kaspersky Anti
Virus, and I did make sure the signature files were updated.


Yes, I can.


Afraid not. I can't pin down just when it started as for a while I was
putting on the computer and doing other stuff before actually starting
to use it, so it may have taken quite a while before I noticed the slowness.

If you start Task Manager, can you see what is using the processor?

AdAware and Spybot look for spyware in one way. HijackThis looks for
clues about what spyware might have been installed, differently than
AA and SSD. SWI Forums is where you get help. This article contains
instructions:
http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showtopic=5187

Cheers,

Chuck
I hate spam - PLEASE get rid of the spam before emailing me!
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
 
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Guest

I am having exactly the same problem and have not yet found a solution. Have you managed to fix your PC yet. If so, how?
 
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Chris Lanier

Hi, Could you please include the original question so we know what you are
talking about?

Damian said:
I am having exactly the same problem and have not yet found a solution.
Have you managed to fix your PC yet. If so, how?
 
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Guest

Iam experiencing exaclty the same problem as Linda describes. below
I have used Adaware to identify and remove spyware programs that were running after Nortons anti-virus detected a Trojan 'loader'. But the problem still exists.
Nortons site mentions problems with a 'certificate' required since their definitions update of 07/01/2004. Tried the procedure described with no effect
Any help or advice would be appreciated

Thank

Harr

----- Linda Antonsson wrote: ----

Hi

Sorry to be reposting this, but this should hopefully be a slightly
clearer description of the problem

Lately (the last weeks or so), my computer (running XP Home) has been
behaving oddly at startup

It gets to the point where I see my desktop (or rather, the Explorer
window, as I always have it open) and a few of the autostart programs
load fine (I can see this because some of them put icons in the activity
field). However, at some point during the startup sequence, it hangs for
a while before the rest of them load up. Since some programs load
entirely in the background, without putting any icons in the activity
field, for example) I can't tell for sure which program is the first to
load after the delay. If I could figure that out somehow, I imagine
that'd be the likely culprit

During this delay, the pointer is normal if I keep it over the regular
window area, but turns into an hourglass if I move it to the taskbar.
And if I try to access the internet during this period (I have a DSL
connection), I can't. So, it seems the network hasn't managed to load.
Eventually, it does continue loading programs, but one thing it never
manages to load is the activity field icon for the volume control. The
network, however, does work once its done loading stuff

The only time in the last weeks that the computer has started up
normally was after I did a System Restore. Then everything loaded
smoothly, and the volume icon showed up too. It seems things may have
been done in a different sequence then, or maybe things just loaded in
the background since the atcual restore does make it take longer before
you get to the point where you see the desktop. However, on the next
startup after the Restore, the problem was back again

Any thoughts on what the program (or programs) that causes the delay
might be? I have checked for viruses and spyware and found nothing such.
I have also tried disabling non-essential startup programs through
msconfig, but still no luck

Occasionally, I also experience problems when shutting down. What
happens then is that when I tell it to shutdown, it clears the desktop
of everything, so that I only see the background image (no taskbar, no
program icons, etc) , but it never gets to the blue screen after. But
this problem is much rarer, occuring perhaps once or twice a month, so I
think that may be relatively 'normal' for XP

Lind
 
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Guest

Hi All, me too with the same problem...appreciate your help

----- Harry Bell wrote: -----

Iam experiencing exaclty the same problem as Linda describes. below.
I have used Adaware to identify and remove spyware programs that were running after Nortons anti-virus detected a Trojan 'loader'. But the problem still exists.
Nortons site mentions problems with a 'certificate' required since their definitions update of 07/01/2004. Tried the procedure described with no effect.
Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

Harry

----- Linda Antonsson wrote: -----

Hi,

Sorry to be reposting this, but this should hopefully be a slightly
clearer description of the problem.

Lately (the last weeks or so), my computer (running XP Home) has been
behaving oddly at startup.

It gets to the point where I see my desktop (or rather, the Explorer
window, as I always have it open) and a few of the autostart programs
load fine (I can see this because some of them put icons in the activity
field). However, at some point during the startup sequence, it hangs for
a while before the rest of them load up. Since some programs load
entirely in the background, without putting any icons in the activity
field, for example) I can't tell for sure which program is the first to
load after the delay. If I could figure that out somehow, I imagine
that'd be the likely culprit.

During this delay, the pointer is normal if I keep it over the regular
window area, but turns into an hourglass if I move it to the taskbar.
And if I try to access the internet during this period (I have a DSL
connection), I can't. So, it seems the network hasn't managed to load.
Eventually, it does continue loading programs, but one thing it never
manages to load is the activity field icon for the volume control. The
network, however, does work once its done loading stuff.

The only time in the last weeks that the computer has started up
normally was after I did a System Restore. Then everything loaded
smoothly, and the volume icon showed up too. It seems things may have
been done in a different sequence then, or maybe things just loaded in
the background since the atcual restore does make it take longer before
you get to the point where you see the desktop. However, on the next
startup after the Restore, the problem was back again.

Any thoughts on what the program (or programs) that causes the delay
might be? I have checked for viruses and spyware and found nothing such.
I have also tried disabling non-essential startup programs through
msconfig, but still no luck.

Occasionally, I also experience problems when shutting down. What
happens then is that when I tell it to shutdown, it clears the desktop
of everything, so that I only see the background image (no taskbar, no
program icons, etc) , but it never gets to the blue screen after. But
this problem is much rarer, occuring perhaps once or twice a month, so I
think that may be relatively 'normal' for XP?

Linda
 

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