XP SP2

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Leythos said:
Leythos said:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:16:24 +0200, Alias wrote:


and this applies to ALL OS'S [sic].

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Don't mean to be picky but plurals NEVER use an apostrophe.

Yea, but who's going to understand OSS :)
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OSs. Or, you could spell it out: operating systems.

Alias
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Wasn't the OSS one of those bad groups to belong to in the 40s?

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The Office of Strategic Services was the precursor to the CIA.

Now, it's
http://www.oss.net/extra/tools/parser/index.cgi?url=/html/parse/index.html
or Open Source Solutions.

Go figure ...

Alias
 
Snip[/QUOTE said:
Just a quick look through the boards at www.pcbanter.net will touch on
current problems; (MS newsgroups)
My H. drive disappeared
I can't see my network.
My cd/dvd drives disappeared.
I can't access my USB devices.
Firewire devices not seen.
I can't access the internet; broadband & dial-up.
No DV camera capture; or camera not recognized.
Printing problems, scanner problems.

My question is why did all this hardware work with SP1, but not SP2?

Was it the spyware that worked with SP1, but won't work with SP2?

Was it the crappy native SP1 drivers for hardware that worked, that SP2
fixed?

How much information will the "average user," need to fix hardware that
wasn't broken before SP2?

Why were certain April 12th. updates allowed to break systems again?

It seems like the common thread is, if it ain't broke yet just wait;
we're working on it!
Jeez,
Treeman
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FYI, don't try to discuss common sense about M$'s ethics and way of
doing business with an MVP. That's like trying to discuss wife abuse
with Henry the 8th.
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I haven't been here long and don't know the rules yet. However, I
will watch my step around here from now on. I thought I was giving a
constructive point of view in a courteous way but...... I guess what
you are saying is if I play in their backyard then don't say anything
negative about the Boss. Consider me as educated and put in my place.
You made one single mistake about M$ taking SP2 off the auto update
market and that is what the MVP capitalized on instead of what your
articulate message was really all about.
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Well, I noticed that but opted to let it go. My daughter used the
same tactics when she was a child so its not a new tactic to me. I
started seeing where the whole thing was headed after that and it
didn't appear that it was going to be allowed to continue as a
courteous exchange of opposing views concerning the main content of
the message which was never addressed. I also see that I misspelled a
word so I guess that really puts me on the outs.

Like I said... I see how it works around here now and will keep my
mouth shut and stay in my place.

Have a good day....
 
I haven't been here long and don't know the rules yet. However, I will
watch my step around here from now on. I thought I was giving a
constructive point of view in a courteous way but...... I guess what
you are saying is if I play in their backyard then don't say anything
negative about the Boss. Consider me as educated and put in my place.
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I think, with only a few exceptions, that if you post a valid complaint
about a MS method or action that there are no negative responses to it, in
fact, many of the MVP's may agree with it - provided that it was valid.

In your case, to suggest that MS should do something that none of the
other OS vendors are doing, to criticize them for the failings of the OS
user (or the ignorance of the user), is not a valid complaint.
 
Leythos said:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:16:24 +0200, Alias wrote:


and this applies to ALL OS'S [sic].

--

Don't mean to be picky but plurals NEVER use an apostrophe.

Yea, but who's going to understand OSS :)

OSs. Or, you could spell it out: operating systems.

Alias
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Wasn't the OSS one of those bad groups to belong to in the 40s?

--
Click to expand...

The Office of Strategic Services was the precursor to the CIA.

Now, it's
http://www.oss.net/extra/tools/parser/index.cgi?url=/html/parse/index.html
or Open Source Solutions.

Go figure ...
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I was thinking more of the German OSS.
 
I think, with only a few exceptions, that if you post a valid complaint
about a MS method or action that there are no negative responses to it, in
fact, many of the MVP's may agree with it - provided that it was valid.
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In your case, to suggest that MS should do something that none of the
other OS vendors are doing, to criticize them for the failings of the OS
user (or the ignorance of the user), is not a valid complaint.
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Perhaps because none of the other vendors NEEDED to address some of his
points.

Example: Microsoft dealing with a billion dollar SP2 security fix to
deal with "vast numbers of compromised machines" as has been claimed
here by the MS MVP, preparing itself to be installed on... oh, I
don't know... compromised machines.

So, why wouldn't say Apple need to do the same? Well, according to the
media the word was that there was ONE Mac OS virus found in 2004 and ZERO
for the couple of years prior to that. I believe that was what the count
was that was published by several national sources a few months ago. Got
a count of the number of viruses that swept the MS world last year?

That seems valid to me. But I expect you will shriek your refusal,
based on previous postings.

Or, to put this a different way, I guess if you dig yourself a hole,
you accept the consequences of what you chose to do.
 
"didn't appear that it was going to be allowed to continue as a courteous
exchange"
If that is what you saw, perhaps what you saw was yourself.

"and will keep my mouth shut and stay in my place."
Really? Where is "my place"?

Also note who started and finished the insults in this
(e-mail address removed)

As for the rest, if you read the thread again, you may find the answers to
what you asked already posted.
 
You know, what we had here was a "new guy" that from everything I
read in the thread was trying to engage you in a courteous exchange
about something that bothered him about M$. Not once did he ever
attack you, flame you or say anything bad about you or directed toward
you. Being the new guy, he hadn't become familiar with your typical
way of spewing venom at anyone that doesn't bend down and lick on
MS's rear end all day long like you clones are bred to do. You
proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the little prick you really are.

However, there is a positive side to all this and that is that you and
your usual puffed up venomous attitude toward others confirmed without
a doubt what the new guy was suggesting about a contemptuous attitude
that M$ and all its clones have toward the public. You fell into that
one like a glove without even knowing you did.

No matter how hard you try, you just can't be decent even to the new
people coming here trying to engaging in courteous adult level
communications. Your venom and disrespect of others is hard wired by
M$ and a questionable upbringing I suppose. You are a perfect
representative for what I think M$ really is. You are the culmination
of all that is sad and bad about M$.

***To the new guy,***
Don't let this puffed up peacock's usual venomous attitude chase
you off the group. From your posts, you appear to be an articulate,
nice, courteous person of which this group needs more. Believe it or
not, there actually are some decent people on here that can help when
needed and I'm sure you have things that can help others. Just
don't waste your time trying to have positive communications with
known jackasses like this Jupiter joke. And since the Cloned Jackass
forgot to mention while spewing out its usual venom.... Welcome to the
group and we appreciate you courtesy.

NIK




"didn't appear that it was going to be allowed to continue as a courteous
exchange"
If that is what you saw, perhaps what you saw was yourself.

"and will keep my mouth shut and stay in my place."
Really? Where is "my place"?

Also note who started and finished the insults in this
(e-mail address removed)

As for the rest, if you read the thread again, you may find the answers to
what you asked already posted.




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You continue to prove what I said in my last post.
The need you seem to have to insult is a good indicator you are incapable of
supporting your views.
If you were capable you would not need to shore up you point with insults.
True to your history, you continue to post nothing of value.
Insults is all you have contributed so far.
Post back only if you feel the need to have the last word.
Good bye (e-mail address removed)
 
Perhaps because none of the other vendors NEEDED to address some of his
points.

Example: Microsoft dealing with a billion dollar SP2 security fix to
deal with "vast numbers of compromised machines" as has been claimed
here by the MS MVP, preparing itself to be installed on... oh, I don't
know... compromised machines.
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There was more to the SP2 update than just security. And in case you
missed it, there were clear instructions on preparation for installation
of Sp2 if anyone cared to read them - I know we read and tested before
installing them in the shop/customers systems.
So, why wouldn't say Apple need to do the same? Well, according to the
media the word was that there was ONE Mac OS virus found in 2004 and
ZERO for the couple of years prior to that. I believe that was what the
count was that was published by several national sources a few months
ago. Got a count of the number of viruses that swept the MS world last
year?
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I've you've followed, there are more to compromises that just viruses. MAC
OS/X has had a significant number of patches published since last year,
more than all the other versions of MAC combined - all for exploits.

The same is true for Linux and AIX and HPUX - there have been many updates
for exploits, not to mention the systems that get root kitted and attack
other machines.
That seems valid to me. But I expect you will shriek your refusal,
based on previous postings.

Or, to put this a different way, I guess if you dig yourself a hole, you
accept the consequences of what you chose to do.
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I have no hole to be worried about - I live in a combined world of Linux
and Windows and see no real security challenges with either, as long as
you understand the exposure points and threats.
 
Welcome to the
group and we appreciate you courtesy.
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Well thank you for that. I was just brought up to always interact in
a courteous way, even in the face of unpleasant individuals. The best
way to handle them is to ignore them and direct your energy and
interactions toward more courteous, pleasant people. I know it feels
good to throw their "Venom" back at them but that only brings you down
to their level and most of the time, they don't even understand that
what they are getting is a mirror reflection of what they are giving
out. They usually conveniently blind themselves to that fact.

So, thank you for the courtesy of your kind words and educating me to
who and what to watch out for around here. As evident, the whos make
themselves readily apparent.

Have a good day.....
 
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