XP no more...!

[Adam Albright]

So I "gloat' and “boast” and that's the "WOW" factor?
That the best you can do?

You got nailed Frank. Everybody knows every post you gloat, boast and
usually through in a snort. Translation: You're just a troll wannabe.

 

[Adam Albright]

Show me your companies business plain, ok? You've got one right? Are you
an IT consultant for any large private companies? Show me their business
plans for future expansion, ok? Show me their financial projections
where they project future upgrade cost, etc., ok?

I'll hold up a mirror and show YOU a fool.

Go away Frank, you're starting to get annoying.

 

[Guest]

I assume there are generic stats available if somebody wanted to look for
them. Your local Microsoft representative would probably be only too happy to
help!

Seriously though, I doubt most companies would share that information. Where
I work we use XP dumbed down to look like Windows2000. At some point in time
there was some logical progression from 98 -> 2000, then 2000 -> XP. I assume
somebody did some analysis, and they obviously decided it made sense. I also
assume if I got ahold of that information and posted it on the internet I
wouldn't have to worry about the upgrade from XP -> Vista.

To your point, Microsoft generates revenue and it is not something they try
to hide. I personally would like to get to a point where everything works and
then not touch it for ten years or so...

 

[john]

You're now coming across as a phony...a troll...certainly not a "business
man" or an IT.
Frank

It nevers ceases to amaze me how you manage to perfectly describe your own
Modus operandi when flaming others.

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both business and home, the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think
our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what
full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how
important current applications are, and really understanding what the most
important problems our customers face are"
- Jim Allchin, former Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft.
=======================================

 

[Terry R.]

Possibly. It seems if the "company" really had a plan in place to "move
forward", it would be documented and Frank would be willing to share it.

Show me your companies business plain, ok? You've got one right? Are you
an IT consultant for any large private companies? Show me their business
plans for future expansion, ok? Show me their financial projections
where they project future upgrade cost, etc., ok?

But since Frank can't

Now Frank won't (at least to you), not can't.

give any reasons for the move, it would appear to

have been done on a whim, not a thought out plan.

If you bother to read my original statement you might have seen where I
said we'd been using Vista RTM since December. The betas for over a
year. We just now, 6-7 months later, completed the change over. It took
time. It was not a "snap' decision. You missed that part huh? Pity,
You're now coming off as a complete fool...a troll ...like a dog without
a bone.

I have some attorney friends that always want to be on the "cutting
edge". They go out and buy whatever is new so they can boast about it.

Feeling jealous about your friends huh? Pity!

They know better than to call me now that they've jumped (not moved)
into Vista.

Oh...here's the real problem. You're not an IT. You're just the computer
repair man for some of your friends and family and Vista has got you
stumped.
Pity.

At least they took my advice and backed up their drives

before the change, because it sounds like a couple of them are heading
back to XP, their patience running a little too thin.

You don't really know your way around computers do you. And Vista got
the best of you. Poor planning on your part. Now your friends know the
truth!
Pity.
Frank
[/QUOTE]

I see that you've reverted to snide comments and name calling because
you don't have any reasons or answers to my questions.

Fine Frank, I thought I could have a civil conversation with you about
your move to Vista. But you're defensive and childish.

Why do you even bother to be in support groups if you respond the way
you did above? You give useless info and answer questions with questions.

See ya,

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[Terry R.]

On 6/5/2007 10:39 PM On a whim, PNutts pounded out on the keyboard

I assume there are generic stats available if somebody wanted to look for
them. Your local Microsoft representative would probably be only too happy to
help!

Seriously though, I doubt most companies would share that information. Where
I work we use XP dumbed down to look like Windows2000. At some point in time
there was some logical progression from 98 -> 2000, then 2000 -> XP. I assume
somebody did some analysis, and they obviously decided it made sense. I also
assume if I got ahold of that information and posted it on the internet I
wouldn't have to worry about the upgrade from XP -> Vista.

To your point, Microsoft generates revenue and it is not something they try
to hide. I personally would like to get to a point where everything works and
then not touch it for ten years or so...

We usually don't look to MS when asking about upgrades, as they will
give us EVERY reason TO upgrade. As time goes on and companies start
making the move to upgrade, they're usually very willing to give their
reasons for it (benefits to users, how it will increase productivity,
etc.) There's nothing confidential about info like that. It's just
sharing how and why the move made sense to them.

I know almost all of the owners or officers to the companies we service,
and they're always more than willing to let us share info to other
companies, since none of them are competing against each other.

I think most companies feel the way you do (and I do also). They just
want it to work, work consistently, and not have to mess with it for 5
to 7 years.

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[Frank]

Show me your companies business plain, ok? You've got one right? Are
you an IT consultant for any large private companies? Show me their
business plans for future expansion, ok? Show me their financial
projections where they project future upgrade cost, etc., ok?



Now Frank won't (at least to you), not can't.

give any reasons for the move, it would appear to



If you bother to read my original statement you might have seen where
I said we'd been using Vista RTM since December. The betas for over a
year. We just now, 6-7 months later, completed the change over. It
took time. It was not a "snap' decision. You missed that part huh?
Pity, You're now coming off as a complete fool...a troll ...like a dog
without a bone.



Feeling jealous about your friends huh? Pity!



Oh...here's the real problem. You're not an IT. You're just the
computer repair man for some of your friends and family and Vista has
got you stumped.
Pity.

At least they took my advice and backed up their drives



You don't really know your way around computers do you. And Vista got
the best of you. Poor planning on your part. Now your friends know the
truth!
Pity.
Frank

I see that you've reverted to snide comments and name calling because
you don't have any reasons or answers to my questions.

Fine Frank, I thought I could have a civil conversation with you about
your move to Vista. But you're defensive and childish.

Why do you even bother to be in support groups if you respond the way
you did above? You give useless info and answer questions with questions.

See ya,
[/QUOTE]
Try here.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/jun07/06-05VistaBigBusinessesPR.mspx

You come across as nothing more than MS hating troll. No IT would ever
have any interest in a company as small as ours. We have under 10 seats
with MS. Our statistical data is confidential and none of your business.
I know of no company willing to part with such info and I've been in
business for decades and I don't believe you when you say other
companies are willing to give up such info.

You did not try and have a civil conversation...key words that give away
your real intentions are ..."WoW"..and of course the troll
favorite..."fanboy".

You're a real loser in my book.
Frank

 

[Andy]

Give the link, please, I gonna bit
I couldn't find you there, and I presume, your are the ....r

 

[Andy]

Hah! Thank you, Frank.
I just finished read this topic , which you initiated. It was funny.
It was same as it was 10, 15 and 20 years ago.
Most of your antagonists, there in back of time, was boy-scouts yet, and
they don't remember time when Win 3.11, Win 95 and Win 98 arised. They just
know the Win XP. One OS in their entire live.
But, they probably don't even know, they speak exactly same thing as their
fathers and uncles.
"Why you switched to the Windows 3.11? You are idiot! DOS is good enought!
You are wasting money of your company! There is no gain in productivity in
this swich!" ...And so on...
Soon or later all this "conservators" will switch to the Vista of course. As
their fathers and uncles has done in past.
And they will come here and ask you, Franky, about advices, how to tune
Vista.
Good Luck, Frank!

 

[Alias]

Hah! Thank you, Frank.
I just finished read this topic , which you initiated. It was funny.
It was same as it was 10, 15 and 20 years ago.
Most of your antagonists, there in back of time, was boy-scouts yet, and
they don't remember time when Win 3.11, Win 95 and Win 98 arised. They
just know the Win XP. One OS in their entire live.
But, they probably don't even know, they speak exactly same thing as
their fathers and uncles.
"Why you switched to the Windows 3.11? You are idiot! DOS is good
enought! You are wasting money of your company! There is no gain in
productivity in this swich!" ...And so on...
Soon or later all this "conservators" will switch to the Vista of
course. As their fathers and uncles has done in past.

So, Andy, did you think that Windows Me was an improvement over 98SE?
After all these years, Windows Mail doesn't have a spell check? Try
Thunderbird.

And they will come here and ask you, Franky, about advices, how to tune
Vista.
Good Luck, Frank!

No one has ever asked Frank for advice. I wonder why that is.

Alias

 

[Andy]

So, Andy, did you think that Windows Me was an improvement over 98SE?

I don't think. I know, it was so.
But this time is over, we are inside of different news group, and I reject
to be provocated to start these empty tales about past.

After all these years, Windows Mail doesn't have a spell check?

Here I'm agree with you. It sucks! But I don't care much about. English is
my second language, it is far from perfect. But who honestly cares about
English Grammar in newsgroups and forums? I use Windows Mail ONLY for
reading microsoft.public.xxxxxxx newses.
For email I have an Outlook and Word.

Try Thunderbird.

One or two of my machines fully under Open Source. There are Ubuntu and
Fedora. So I keep one of my two eyes on Linux community. And I know about
these things maybe much more as you do.
But I don't scream on every virtual corner, "Windows Must Die! Linux
Forever!"
Maybe, because I remember screamings of some zealots, "Windows must die!
OS/2 Forever!"
Do you know,buddy, what is OS/2 mean, and where is it now?
And maybe because I have to feed my family from my job, which is fully under
the Windows control.
Windows environment, is a business environment. Linux enviroment is a terra
of computer hobbists and zealots. (until now yet)
You (Linuxoids) are funny guys, but I need stable life, not your
antiglobalization parades.

No one has ever asked Frank for advice. I wonder why that is.

Because his opponents in this topic, all they are Linuxoids-zealots. They
(you) don't need to know much about Windows. You guys think about youself
as you are all experts in Windows, Microsoft System Engineers at least.

 

[Frank]

I don't think. I know, it was so.
But this time is over, we are inside of different news group, and I
reject to be provocated to start these empty tales about past.



Here I'm agree with you. It sucks! But I don't care much about. English
is my second language, it is far from perfect. But who honestly cares
about English Grammar in newsgroups and forums? I use Windows Mail ONLY
for reading microsoft.public.xxxxxxx newses.
For email I have an Outlook and Word.



One or two of my machines fully under Open Source. There are Ubuntu and
Fedora. So I keep one of my two eyes on Linux community. And I know
about these things maybe much more as you do.
But I don't scream on every virtual corner, "Windows Must Die! Linux
Forever!"
Maybe, because I remember screamings of some zealots, "Windows must die!
OS/2 Forever!"
Do you know,buddy, what is OS/2 mean, and where is it now?
And maybe because I have to feed my family from my job, which is fully
under the Windows control.
Windows environment, is a business environment. Linux enviroment is a
terra of computer hobbists and zealots. (until now yet)
You (Linuxoids) are funny guys, but I need stable life, not your
antiglobalization parades.

Because his opponents in this topic, all they are Linuxoids-zealots.
They (you) don't need to know much about Windows. You guys think about
youself as you are all experts in Windows, Microsoft System Engineers at
least.

hehehe...good one Andy!
Frank

 

[Alias]

I don't think. I know, it was so.
Giggle.

But this time is over, we are inside of different news group, and I
reject to be provocated to start these empty tales about past.

Of course because you would lose.

Here I'm agree with you. It sucks! But I don't care much about. English
is my second language, it is far from perfect. But who honestly cares
about English Grammar in newsgroups and forums?

People who care what they write and who have a respect for the language
they're writing in, of course.

I use Windows Mail ONLY
for reading microsoft.public.xxxxxxx newses.
For email I have an Outlook and Word.

So? Your point? You look down on newsgroups?

One or two of my machines fully under Open Source. There are Ubuntu and
Fedora. So I keep one of my two eyes on Linux community. And I know
about these things maybe much more as you do.

Maybe, maybe not.

But I don't scream on every virtual corner, "Windows Must Die! Linux
Forever!"

Nor do I.

Maybe, because I remember screamings of some zealots, "Windows must die!
OS/2 Forever!"
Do you know,buddy, what is OS/2 mean, and where is it now?

Of course.

And maybe because I have to feed my family from my job, which is fully
under the Windows control.

Now the truth is seeping out.

Windows environment, is a business environment.

Yeah, those viruses, malware, false positives from WGA are soooo productive.

Linux enviroment is a
terra of computer hobbists and zealots. (until now yet)

Not any more.

You (Linuxoids) are funny guys, but I need stable life, not your
antiglobalization parades.

You obviously feel the need to insult me and not really address the issues.

Because his opponents in this topic, all they are Linuxoids-zealots.
They (you) don't need to know much about Windows. You guys think about
youself as you are all experts in Windows, Microsoft System Engineers at
least.

I have never claimed to be an expert. I am a simple user. YOU, however,
are claiming to be one but can only hurl insults instead of responding
to content.

Alias

 

[Alias]

hehehe...good one Andy!
Frank

He's just doing what you do: insult people and not respond to content.
The fact that you cheer him on only reveals where your priorities lie.

Alias

 

[Andy]

Alias, if you was offended by me, please, excuse me. I really didn't even
think about "insulting" anybody.
Looks like, you are truly "simple user".
Your own non-Microsoft news&email client, which you advertized here to me,
outdated. So probably, you need to know, even open-source has to be updated
on a regular base.
I do love English language, but this one is one from most difficult
languages. You know?
Except this, I can speak, write, and read in three more languages. So I
know, what I'm talking about.
When I into the English-speaking forums and newsgroups, usually I don't use
spell check. That's why I don't care much about it. Maybe I'm wrong here,
maybe not...
And when I'm using a Thunderbird, I don't use its spell-checker extensively,
too. Because I know, it doesn't check punctuation and doesn't follow most
basic rules of the English Grammar.
Alias, please, keep your eyes on your punctuation, if you respect your
language. Don't trust Thunderbird.
And one more. I and you we were wrong, when said Windows Mail doesn't have
spell-checker. It does. (If Word installed on machine) I used it now. How
many errors you can find in this my message? Not to much, right? Almost
every your own sentence has error(s).
Maybe you need to try Windows Mail once again, buddy?

 

[Frank]

Alias, if you was offended by me, please, excuse me. I really didn't
even think about "insulting" anybody.
Looks like, you are truly "simple user".
Your own non-Microsoft news&email client, which you advertized here to
me, outdated. So probably, you need to know, even open-source has to be
updated on a regular base.
I do love English language, but this one is one from most difficult
languages. You know?
Except this, I can speak, write, and read in three more languages. So I
know, what I'm talking about.
When I into the English-speaking forums and newsgroups, usually I don't
use spell check. That's why I don't care much about it. Maybe I'm wrong
here, maybe not...
And when I'm using a Thunderbird, I don't use its spell-checker
extensively, too. Because I know, it doesn't check punctuation and
doesn't follow most basic rules of the English Grammar.
Alias, please, keep your eyes on your punctuation, if you respect your
language. Don't trust Thunderbird.
And one more. I and you we were wrong, when said Windows Mail doesn't
have spell-checker. It does. (If Word installed on machine) I used it
now. How many errors you can find in this my message? Not to much,
right? Almost every your own sentence has error(s).
Maybe you need to try Windows Mail once again, buddy?

Oh Andy, that's really funny!
Frank

 

[Alias]

Alias, if you was offended by me, please, excuse me. I really didn't
even think about "insulting" anybody.

You wrote, and I quote: "You (Linuxoids) are funny guys". Is that a
compliment?

Looks like, you are truly "simple user".

Yep, no expert.

Your own non-Microsoft news&email client, which you advertized here to
me, outdated. So probably, you need to know, even open-source has to be
updated on a regular base.

I don't like T-Bird's 2.0 for Linux so I use the earlier version. If you
would *read* my posts, you would have seen that I wrote that Linux is
updated all the time and the update includes everything on your computer.

I do love English language, but this one is one from [not from, "of"] most difficult
languages. You know?
Except this, I can speak, write, and read in three more languages. So I
know, what I'm talking about.

And that is?

When I into the English-speaking forums and newsgroups, usually I don't
use spell check. That's why I don't care much about it. Maybe I'm wrong
here, maybe not...

Depends on how you want people to think of you and your posts.

And when I'm using a Thunderbird, I don't use its spell-checker
extensively, too.
"too"?

Because I know, it doesn't check punctuation and
doesn't follow most basic rules of the English Grammar.

Hence the need for proof reading.

Alias, please, keep your eyes on your punctuation, if you respect your
language. Don't trust Thunderbird.
And one more. I and you we were wrong, when said Windows Mail doesn't
have spell-checker. It does. (If Word installed on machine)

So it doesn't come with it. You gotta pay for Word for it to work.

I used it
now. How many errors you can find in this my message?
Dozens.

Not to much,
right?

Too many.

Almost every your own sentence has error(s).

This sentence above is totally incorrect.

Maybe you need to try Windows Mail once again, buddy?

Really? Can you give me an example?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Oh Andy, that's really funny!
Frank

Really? What's funny about it? He wasn't even trying to be funny but
because you think he's putting me down, you get your jollies off. How
pathetic can you get?

Alias

 

[Terry R.]

On 6/16/2007 10:25 PM On a whim, Andy pounded out on the keyboard

Hah! Thank you, Frank.
I just finished read this topic , which you initiated. It was funny.
It was same as it was 10, 15 and 20 years ago.
Most of your antagonists, there in back of time, was boy-scouts yet, and
they don't remember time when Win 3.11, Win 95 and Win 98 arised. They just
know the Win XP. One OS in their entire live.
But, they probably don't even know, they speak exactly same thing as their
fathers and uncles.
"Why you switched to the Windows 3.11? You are idiot! DOS is good enought!
You are wasting money of your company! There is no gain in productivity in
this swich!" ...And so on...
Soon or later all this "conservators" will switch to the Vista of course. As
their fathers and uncles has done in past.
And they will come here and ask you, Franky, about advices, how to tune
Vista.
Good Luck, Frank!

Andy,

While I'm not a linuxoid (although I do have a partition of it), humor
was really all that anyone could get out of this thread. Other than
personal desire, Frank never offered any real purpose for switching over
to Vista. It wasn't a hardware decision that prompted the OS change,
nor software, nor productivity. It was only a post to pat himself on
the back. Some people need that I guess. Especially if one believes
they've really accomplished something.

I've used DOS, DesqView, Windows 3 on up, so I'm quite familiar with all
of the OS's.

Yes, "sooner or later" Windows users will most likely move to Vista.
That choice won't necessarily be their own, but MS's. First they'll
stop allowing XP to be sold on machines, and the timeline will fade from
there. But for most, there isn't any reason to move from XP to Vista,
as there isn't the benefits there were from Win9x to XP (W2K being more
of a business model lacking extensive driver support). But by then
linux and OSX (or OSXI) will be better also, and many may choose a
different direction.

And nobody will really be asking Frank anything, because he won't answer
more than one question at a time...

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[Richard Urban]

I am still of the opinion that Frank owes no one an explanation for
switching over. It's his business and the business of his company.

Maybe the Microsoft rep gave them 500 copies at $10.00 per copy to do so.
Who knows. Who cares. It is none of my business.

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