XP Home & Professional

[JB3]

Before I buy just XP Home Edition, I need to know if XP
Home Edition has the same PERMISSIONS/PRIVILEGE Controls
that Windows XP Professional has? (IE: Allow & Deny
Privileges)?

 

[Myron J. Mandell]

I think not.

I believe the level of control you are seeking comes from being part of a
domain,
which XP Home cannot do.

With XP Home you can
(a) not share a folder
(b) share a folder for readonly
(c) share a folder for read/write.

If your machine is not on a domain, XP Pro and XP Home will behave about the
same.

Myron

 

[Joseph Conway [MSFT]]

Correct, the OS will behave about the same in a workgroup. You can set
permissions but not security on files.

 

[msnews.microsoft.com]

You can set permissions but not security on files.

Joseph:

If you boot Home via Safe Mode you can set perms/security on files.

 

[CZ]

Before I buy just XP Home Edition, I need to know if XP
Home Edition has the same PERMISSIONS/PRIVILEGE Controls
that Windows XP Professional has? (IE: Allow & Deny
Privileges)?

JB3:

They are the same if you boot via Safe Mode with Networking.

 

[CZ]

Myron:

I use XP Home in Win2k/Win2k3/SBS2k3 domains.

Home behaves the same as Pro when both are using a domain except Home
cannot:
Query AD
Use domain gp policy
Use roaming profiles.

Home can use:
DHCP
DDNS
WINS
NetBIOS based networking
non-NetBT networking (port 445)
EFS
Exchange Server 2003

 

[CZ]

You can set permissions but not security on files.

Joseph:

If you boot Home via Safe Mode you can set perms/security on files.


PS: I sent the other message, but OExpress was not set up correctly on my
SBS2k3 ws.

Per your sig you work with Win2k3 server. Have you seen SBS2k3? If you
can, take a look at the admin interface, it is very will done. In
particular, look at the interface to domain GPO.

 

[Alex Nichol]

Before I buy just XP Home Edition, I need to know if XP
Home Edition has the same PERMISSIONS/PRIVILEGE Controls
that Windows XP Professional has? (IE: Allow & Deny
Privileges)?

It has old style read-only; hidden; system attributes, but other than
that supports only Simple File Sharing where a users own Documents
section is private to him, but there is no detailed security tab
allowing explicit permissions on individual files and folders. For that
you need Pro. And although it is pointed out that this tab becomes
available in Safe Mode, that is not suitable for regular work; and
Raymond Chen of Microsoft has pointed out that it is not in fact using
the proper underlying file control system anyway

If you need file/folder level access control, get Pro

 

[CZ]

Re: NTFS permissions in Home

And although it is pointed out that this tab becomes

available in Safe Mode, that is not suitable for regular work; and
Raymond Chen of Microsoft has pointed out that it is not in fact using
the proper underlying file control system anyway

Alex:

Re: "that is not suitable for regular work"

That is up to each user to decide. I find it very suitable and useful.

Re: "Raymond Chen of Microsoft has pointed out that it is not in fact using
the proper underlying file control system anyway"

That does not sound correct. Do you have a reference to Raymond's comments?

From:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308418&Product=winxp
"If you are not joined to a domain or are running Windows XP Home Edition
and want to view the Security tab:
Windows XP Home Edition
Boot into safe mode, and then log in as Administrator or an Administrative
User. The Security tab is available for files or folders that are located on
NTFS file system volumes"

BTW, I have never had a problem in Home after I have used Safe Mode to
change the permissions.


TIA

 

[CZ]

Alex, I found Raymond's comments.

1) In a thread:

How do you turn off simple file sharing in windows XP Home Edition?

You don't. Unlike XP Professional, simple file sharing is the only choice in Home.
Unless you go into safe mode, logon as administrator, in which case all
sorts of things are possible (albeit a PITA).

This doesn't disable simple file sharing. It just enables the Security tab.
Your security model is still simple (so the settings on the Security tab are
ineffective over the network).

Re: to Raymond's comment:
"(so the settings on the Security tab are ineffective over the network)."

Not exactly.
All connections to Home are made via the Guest user acct (even if it is set
to "off").
Guest is a member of the Everyone gp.
So, whatever Share & NTFS permissions you give to the Everyone gp, apply to
all network connections to Home, and the usual permission rules apply. In
summary, the Security tab settings can be used effectively to control what
network connections to Home can do.



2a) In another thread:

Note that disabling simple sharing is more than just a UI change. It also
changes the system's security model from "simple" mode (where all external
users are treated as Guest) to the complex model (where external users are
authenticated separately). So make sure you know what you're doing and set
your ACLs properly. The Simple model provides additional protection: People
on the network cannot access your private files, even if they somehow manage
to guess your password.

2b) In another thread You (Alex) wrote (and I presume you are referring to
the above):

and Raymond Chen of Microsoft has pointed out that it is not in fact using
the proper underlying file control system anyway

Alex, Raymond's comment only applies to XP Pro. In Home you cannot disable
simple file sharing, and "all external users are treated as Guest" always.
You can use either of two interfaces to work with permissions in Home: Safe
Mode or normal GUI mode


General comment:
Alex, no offense is intended, but may I suggest that you spend some time
with XP Home.
I have seen a number of errors in your posts re: Home.



My previous post:
Re: NTFS permissions in Home

And although it is pointed out that this tab becomes

available in Safe Mode, that is not suitable for regular work; and
Raymond Chen of Microsoft has pointed out that it is not in fact using
the proper underlying file control system anyway

Alex:

Re: "that is not suitable for regular work"

That is up to each user to decide. I find it very suitable and useful.

Re: "Raymond Chen of Microsoft has pointed out that it is not in fact using
the proper underlying file control system anyway"

That does not sound correct. Do you have a reference to Raymond's comments?

From:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308418&Product=winxp
"If you are not joined to a domain or are running Windows XP Home Edition
and want to view the Security tab:
Windows XP Home Edition
Boot into safe mode, and then log in as Administrator or an Administrative
User. The Security tab is available for files or folders that are located on
NTFS file system volumes"

BTW, I have never had a problem in Home after I have used Safe Mode to
change the permissions.


TIA

 

[Alex Nichol]

Re: "that is not suitable for regular work"

That is up to each user to decide. I find it very suitable and useful.

Not suitable for day to day changes in permissions in the sort of
environment which the relevant poster was referring to - a business one.
THe Safe Mode approach is a work-around at best

Re: "Raymond Chen of Microsoft has pointed out that it is not in fact using
the proper underlying file control system anyway"

There was another post by Raymond - same day, I think, but they have
dropped off my database of past articles.

 

[CZ]

Re: "Raymond Chen of Microsoft has pointed out that it is not in fact using

the proper underlying file control system anyway"

There was another post by Raymond - same day, I think, but they have
dropped off my database of past articles.


Alex:

Google only shows the two that I referred to. Hopefully, Raymond Chen will
post in this thread and clarify it.