XP Home PC cannot see other PCs in common Workgroup (W2K Pro, NTS4, XP Home mixed)

[Fred Zimmerman]

I have a 2 desktop, and 1 laptop wired LAN running TCP/IP on all 3
machines. They can ping, and netroute one another just fine, but...

Workgroup setup on Windows 2000 PC (of same name 'Workgroup). This
machine is connected to internet via Cable router. There is a fixed
subnet xxx.xxx.xxx.1 (for Cable router), xxx.xxx.xxx.2 for Windows
2000 Pro
machine, xxx.xxx.xxx.3 for Windows NT Server machine, xxx.xxx.xxx.4
for Windows XP Home machine. Cable Router uses ISP as DHCP server with
fixed IP address, and alternate IP address (secondary).

All 3 machines configured for this Workgroup.

Review:
1) Desktop: Windows 2000 Professional (Wired to Linksys Cable Router)
2) Desktop: Windows NT Server 4 (No domain setup)
3) Laptop: Windows XP Home

W2K Pro, and NTS4 machines see each other, and each others' file
shares. XP Home machine cannot see either W2K Pro, or NTS4 machines
nor file shares.
W2K Pro, and NTS4 machines have icons in Microsoft Network of Windows
Explorer for XP Home machine, but cannot see its' resources.

What's the problem here?

Fred Z

 

[Chuck]

I have a 2 desktop, and 1 laptop wired LAN running TCP/IP on all 3
machines. They can ping, and netroute one another just fine, but...

Workgroup setup on Windows 2000 PC (of same name 'Workgroup). This
machine is connected to internet via Cable router. There is a fixed
subnet xxx.xxx.xxx.1 (for Cable router), xxx.xxx.xxx.2 for Windows
2000 Pro
machine, xxx.xxx.xxx.3 for Windows NT Server machine, xxx.xxx.xxx.4
for Windows XP Home machine. Cable Router uses ISP as DHCP server with
fixed IP address, and alternate IP address (secondary).

All 3 machines configured for this Workgroup.

Review:
1) Desktop: Windows 2000 Professional (Wired to Linksys Cable Router)
2) Desktop: Windows NT Server 4 (No domain setup)
3) Laptop: Windows XP Home

W2K Pro, and NTS4 machines see each other, and each others' file
shares. XP Home machine cannot see either W2K Pro, or NTS4 machines
nor file shares.
W2K Pro, and NTS4 machines have icons in Microsoft Network of Windows
Explorer for XP Home machine, but cannot see its' resources.

What's the problem here?

Fred Z

Fred,

Sounds like a master browser problem. Was any software firewall ever installed
or activated on the XP Home computer? ICF or any third party software?

Also make sure you have a common account / password setup on each computer.
That is, when accessing any NT4 or Win2K share from the XP Home computer, you
must be logged on with an account / password identical on the other computer.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Guest]

I have the same problem on p2p network.
XP home can browse Xp pro shared docs and when I click the
XP pro pc name I need to logon from XP home.

I type in my password and user name from XP home but it
can't work.
I have an account in XP home but not XP pro.

You said I must be logged on but why my password and user
name can't work??

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[Chuck]

I have the same problem on p2p network.
XP home can browse Xp pro shared docs and when I click the
XP pro pc name I need to logon from XP home.

I type in my password and user name from XP home but it
can't work.
I have an account in XP home but not XP pro.

You said I must be logged on but why my password and user
name can't work??

If you have an XP Pro network, with Simple File Sharing ENABLED on the server,
all computers on a network are given access to all shares on the server (XP Pro
computer with shared files). So we'll have to look for another cause to the
problem.

If you have SFS DISABLED on the server, there are two possibilities. From an XP
Pro client computer (desiring to access a share on the server), check your Local
Security Settings (Control Panel - Administrative Tools). Under Local Policies
- Security Options, look at "Network access: Sharing and security model", and
ensure it's set to "Classic - local users authenticate as themselves".

If the local security policy is set to "Guest only", the Guest account has to be
enabled on the server, and given access to the shares in question. If it's set
to "Classic", an account / password has to be setup on the server, identical to
the one logged on to the client.

Confused? I have to reread this every time I write it. It's easier to
understand if you have background in domain authentication.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Fred Zimmerman]

Chuck,

After I reset XP Home username/password to match identical
username/password
on W2K Pro, and NTS4 machines (those two already match), do I need to
reboot non-XP machines to get XP Home PC to see them?

F.Z.

 

[Chuck]

Chuck,

After I reset XP Home username/password to match identical
username/password
on W2K Pro, and NTS4 machines (those two already match), do I need to
reboot non-XP machines to get XP Home PC to see them?

F.Z.

Fred,

Seeing and access are two different things. You can get, or lose, access to a
shared resource, from a client workstation, simply by logging off / on to the
client under a different username / password (ie "reset XP Home
username/password").

You should be able to see (browse) each machine regardless. But after you login
to the client with a different username / password, no, you shouldn't have to do
anything with the server (shared resource).

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Fred Zimmerman]

One step forward here.

I can now see SilverAmd (Win2K Pro) icon in my Workgroup from Win
Explorer on XP Home machine, but cannot access its' resources. I get
following message when I click 'Silveramd' in Microsoft Windows
Network..Workgroup from Win Explorer:

\\Silveramd is not accessible. You might not have permissions to use
this network resource. Contact the administrator...

Logon failure: the user has not been granded the requested logon type
at this computer.'

NOTE: My user [logon] is in Administrator group on both machines; I'm
not sure
if this is the problem.

I chaned username/password to be identical on both machines as you
outlined.

Fred Z

 

[Chuck]

One step forward here.

I can now see SilverAmd (Win2K Pro) icon in my Workgroup from Win
Explorer on XP Home machine, but cannot access its' resources. I get
following message when I click 'Silveramd' in Microsoft Windows
Network..Workgroup from Win Explorer:

\\Silveramd is not accessible. You might not have permissions to use
this network resource. Contact the administrator...

Logon failure: the user has not been granded the requested logon type
at this computer.'

NOTE: My user [logon] is in Administrator group on both machines; I'm
not sure
if this is the problem.

I chaned username/password to be identical on both machines as you
outlined.

Fred Z

Fred,

You're logged on with the common username when you get this?

Check the Local Security Policy (Control Panel - Administrative Tools) on the
computer trying to access Silveramd. Under Local Policies - Security Options,
look at "Network access: Sharing and security model", and ensure it's set to
"Classic - local users authenticate as themselves".

If you set the Local Security Policy to "Guest only", make sure that the Guest
username is enabled on Silveramd, and has a non-blank password. If "Classic",
setup and use a common username with identical password on both computers.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Fred Zimmerman]

Troubleshooting continues...

By the way, the Windows 2000 Pro machine (Workgroup setup here), can
see
shares on NTS4, and XP Home machines, but NOT vice versa.

I haven't looked ad Administrative Tools on NT Server 4 machine, but
my XP
Home laptop is here w. me at contract client site, so I can look at
Administrative functions on it. There is no Administrative Tools
selection/icon from Start or Programs menus. I had to run MMC (MS
Management Console) to get to this function. I did not see Classic
option you outlined.

What XP Home shows in MMC is:

IP Security Policies on Local Computer (Left-hand side)

Client (Respond Only) (Right-hand side)
Secure Server (Require Security) ...
Server (Request Security) ...

If you select, and drill-down on Client, Secure Server, or Server, you
see
properties showing two tabs: Rules, General.

I do not see Classic option anywhere here.

If I drill-down to Rule Properties I see two tabs: Security Methods,
and
Authentication Methods.

For Client (Respond Only) in MMC pane, there is only by default
'Kerberos' in Rules Properties -> Authentication Methods.

I'm totally baffled as to what to do, and Help doc does not help me.
Obviously XP handles authentication on Workgroup differently from NTS,
and Win 2000 OS's.

One step forward here.

I can now see SilverAmd (Win2K Pro) icon in my Workgroup from Win
Explorer on XP Home machine, but cannot access its' resources. I get
following message when I click 'Silveramd' in Microsoft Windows
Network..Workgroup from Win Explorer:

\\Silveramd is not accessible. You might not have permissions to use
this network resource. Contact the administrator...

Logon failure: the user has not been granded the requested logon type
at this computer.'

NOTE: My user [logon] is in Administrator group on both machines; I'm
not sure
if this is the problem.

I chaned username/password to be identical on both machines as you
outlined.

Fred Z

Fred,

You're logged on with the common username when you get this?

Check the Local Security Policy (Control Panel - Administrative Tools) on the
computer trying to access Silveramd. Under Local Policies - Security Options,
look at "Network access: Sharing and security model", and ensure it's set to
"Classic - local users authenticate as themselves".

If you set the Local Security Policy to "Guest only", make sure that the Guest
username is enabled on Silveramd, and has a non-blank password. If "Classic",
setup and use a common username with identical password on both computers.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Chuck]

Troubleshooting continues...

By the way, the Windows 2000 Pro machine (Workgroup setup here), can
see
shares on NTS4, and XP Home machines, but NOT vice versa.

Fred,

OK, you've synchronised the username / password on 2K / XP machines. But not on
the NT machine?

Does this Client / Server table (you may need a fixed pitch font to view
properly) accurately represent the current relationships? Please correct me as
appropriate.

Client ------ Server ------
2K NT XP
2K X See/View ?
NT See/View X ?
XP See ? X

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Guest]

Fred,

check your TCP/IP settings. go to properties of the NIC, click on advanced, and take a look in the WINS tab. try clicking on enable NETBIOS of TCP/IP. I had alot of trouble sharing network resources/seeing the other computers on my LAN until I made that change. Hope it works for ya!

Jason