XP Death Watch

[David]

XP Death Watch

Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains
the most-used version of  Windows. The newest data from Web metrics
vendor Net Applications, for example,
pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went
online last month,

five times the nearest competitor, Microsoft's own Windows Vista.

Which is why an impending deadline five weeks from today is important.

According to Microsoft, June 30 is the last day it will permit
retailers and OEMs to sell
the nearly seven-year-old operating system.

[ Make your voice heard. Sign InfoWorld's 'Save Windows XP' petition
today. ]

http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/

You'll have questions as that date approaches,

including whether the deadline will drive up  prices (gouging,
anyone?);

we plan to have the answers, starting with this FAQ and continuing
through the end of next month.

How long until Microsoft shuts off the XP spigot? Five weeks from
today is the last day Microsoft

will officially allow retailers to sell the old operating system, and
let major computer makers

You're out of date; check it out again.

 

[Hadron]

Read and weep.

Why weep? I want Linux to succeed on these things. The problem is that
most people want Windows so that they can sync their phones and PDAs
properly.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,143402-pg,1/article.html

,----
| "A lot of people have been waiting for the Windows version," said Jonney
| Shih, chairman of Asus, at a news conference in Taipei on Thursday.
`----

Asus initially release the Eee PC line with Linux only. So, the
market

Huh? This is old news.

share in this segment was 100%. Which is why MS had to get an OS fast, and
Vista, well, super fat and too big.

So, take a current view of a ratio of 6:4, that is a 40% market share
for
Linux. A tad bit higher than MS-fanboys would like to admit. Expecting to
sell 2 million Linux ones this year alone, not including last years
sales.

So these figures do count? What happened to "there is no market for a
free product"?

OLPC is 100% Linux. I don't believe this has changed.

The OLPC is a non starter. And you are wrong.

Amazon seems to have trouble keeping the Eee PC Linux ones in stock, maybe
Asus underestimated Linux? At least in that venue Linux makes it top list
more than XP for the Eee PC, go figure.

No. They underestimated the EEE. Most people who buy one have NO idea it
has Linux on it.

Can't see the writing? Big, fat, expensive bloated low compatibility
operating systems are generally on the way out. Except for high end Apple
Macs, which too record increased sales.

You mean the one here which is predicted to START at outselling Linux by
3:2? Are you really this dim?

You know Microsoft isn't going to want to have Asus publish it's real sales
numbers of Linux versus XP. Linux growth will astound many.

You're crackers.

 

[Charlie Tame]

Charlie Tame wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Too late:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx

I disagree a bit with that, the crucial factor was always extending
support. Another 6 years is a pretty good achievement in terms of
getting a big corporation to listen to customers. So instead of too
late
maybe "Just in time" would be the key.

Apples & oranges. Windows Life Cycle policy (for WinXP) hasn't changed,
Charlie: WinXP SP3 will have Extended Support until 08 April 2014.
Support for WinXP SP2 ends 13 July 1010. More:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/donna/archive/2008/06/14/end-of-support-xp-service-pack-2.aspx

My point is that the pressure to extend was there but not clearly
visible at first. Obviously MS did listen, but made insufficient effort
to clarify the situation.

Extend what? MS hasn't extended or changed anything as far as support
for WinXP is concerned.

Hmm, different meaning of the word extend I think. In my view when they
stop selling an OS then it is dead, however they chose to "Extend"
support for XP thus accepting the fact that for some years people would
want support. That is a good thing but was not that clear to many people
at first.

If you've got an OEM install of WinXP, MS wouldn't help you anyway.

Agreed, however if one cannot obtain a legit copy of XP to replace a
broken one with the the machine is dead dead. If the manufacturer cannot
supply and OEM CD you are hosed.

If you've lost your Retail WinXP CD, MS *may* be able to replace it for
you, they're just not selling new ones or allowing OEMs to manufacturer
new machines with WinXP presinstalled after 30 Jun-08.

Well, I hope they put a mechanism in place to do this and to replace
lost OEM keys with legit retail keys (I don't mean for nothing of
course) because if they do not the customer may well say "Okay, next
time I buy an Apple".

If you lose, e.g., your Owners Manual for your 1990 Chevy, chances are
GM's not going to replace it.

But if I lose the manual it doesn't automatically scrap the car. IMHO it
is better to be helpful and keep customer relations than have them look
at competitor's products, and the fact is there are now some capacle
competitors.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Charlie Tame wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Too late:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsxp/future.mspx

I disagree a bit with that, the crucial factor was always extending
support. Another 6 years is a pretty good achievement in terms of
getting a big corporation to listen to customers. So instead of too
late
maybe "Just in time" would be the key.

Apples & oranges. Windows Life Cycle policy (for WinXP) hasn't
changed,
Charlie: WinXP SP3 will have Extended Support until 08 April 2014.
Support for WinXP SP2 ends 13 July 1010. More:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/donna/archive/2008/06/14/end-of-support-xp-service-pack-2.aspx


My point is that the pressure to extend was there but not clearly
visible at first. Obviously MS did listen, but made insufficient effort
to clarify the situation.

Extend what? MS hasn't extended or changed anything as far as support
for WinXP is concerned.

Hmm, different meaning of the word extend I think. In my view when they
stop selling an OS then it is dead, however they chose to "Extend"
support for XP thus accepting the fact that for some years people would
want support. That is a good thing but was not that clear to many people
at first.

Repeat: MS did not choose to extend support for WinXP SP2 or SP3. The
LifeCycle Policy did NOT change. Extended support for SP2 was ALWAYS going
to end two (2) years after the release of SP3; extended support for SP3 was
ALWAYS going to end six (6) years after the release of the final Service
Pack for WinXP (i.e., SP3).

Agreed, however if one cannot obtain a legit copy of XP to replace a
broken one with the the machine is dead dead. If the manufacturer cannot
supply and OEM CD you are hosed.

Lots of Win9x users have been and are hosed. If you don't wanna get hosed,
don't lose or break your CDs!

Well, I hope they put a mechanism in place to do this and to replace
lost OEM keys with legit retail keys (I don't mean for nothing of
course) because if they do not the customer may well say "Okay, next
time I buy an Apple".

I wouldn't hold my breath IIWY, and I doubt MS's market dominance will ever
be truly threatened by Apple. Too many businesses are technically and
economically committed to Windows architecture in the long-term.

But if I lose the manual it doesn't automatically scrap the car. IMHO it
is better to be helpful and keep customer relations than have them look
at competitor's products, and the fact is there are now some capacle
competitors.

Well, how about if your '90 Chevy's engine fails: Is GM going to provide or
can they provide a replacement (at any cost)? Again, I don't think
Redmond's feeling any competitive pressure to speak of: They big money's in
Business, not Home/SOHO Users.

 

[Canuck57]

Well, I hope they put a mechanism in place to do this and to replace lost
OEM keys with legit retail keys (I don't mean for nothing of course)
because if they do not the customer may well say "Okay, next time I buy an
Apple".

LOL. Just listened to this latest Apple/Vista ad.

http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

 

[Canuck57]

I wouldn't hold my breath IIWY, and I doubt MS's market dominance will
ever be truly threatened by Apple. Too many businesses are technically
and economically committed to Windows architecture in the long-term.

That sounds like deja-vue to me. Except it was 1981 or so. "Apple is not
truly threatened by PC-DOS."

Apple sticks to its course, they could someday find "revenge is best served
cold."

 

[Canuck57]

Last time I checked, MS was a corporation based in a capitalist nation &
world.

Agreed, but people want a more stable, inexpensive open product. Microsoft
sure isn't inexpensive and nor open.

Sounds like PC professor. "My product is so good, please by my product?".
People are on to this. Any business model has to adjust, Microsoft just
doesn't get it yet.

People will buy what they perceive will work for them. The word on Vista is
out. That is why alternative devices and stuff like Eee PC are sailing out
the doors, often with Linux too. Think, the almighty Microsoft didn't
anticipate the small appliance PC.

 

[Canuck57]

No. They underestimated the EEE. Most people who buy one have NO idea it
has Linux on it.

XP versions seem to be in stock, lower down the popular list.

But that is my point. On emergin popular growth system Linux is doing quite
well.

You mean the one here which is predicted to START at outselling Linux by
3:2? Are you really this dim?

Nope, not dim. I would not hazard a guess if Linux will outsell Mac or the
other way around. Will predict, collectively they will erode MS-Windows
market share.

 

[Charlie Tame]

LOL. Just listened to this latest Apple/Vista ad.

http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

Well, my family had Fords for years and I had a couple of them myself,
but after repeatedly fixing recurring problems I decided to go back to
cars that I'd had no troubles with, GM and Chrysler. I will not go back
to Ford for smaller cars ever, although I think their bigger models may
be tolerable. There is no real login in this, I am sure for example that
the new Ford powered Jaguars are much more reliable than the V12s were,
but you know, when people get annoyed with a brand there is no place for
logic...

But as PA Bear pointed out MS are mostly interested in Business users...
well what business needs is reliability not more expense and unnecessary
glitz, and many businesses can how use terminal services to do what they
want so don't need PCs as much if at all. The big advantage Windows has
over Linux and MAC is games, for those you do need a complete PC.

Our local hospital has XP all over the place, but the machines are
actually running a terminal program so those copies of XP are not needed
really, a thin client will do and it less easy to damage or steal
private info from

 

[Alias]

Lots of Win9x users have been and are hosed.

Only the ignorant ones when you consider that Win9x can be installed
with any Win9x media and any product key.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Last time I checked, MS was a corporation based in a capitalist nation &
world.

Last time I checked, good public relations and services with one's
customers are a part of a good capitalist equation, something MS and its
ilk is ignoring due to their de facto monopoly which, thankfully, is
being destroyed by Vista and MS' obvious disdain for its paying customers.

Alias

 

[Jim H]

XP= Good Riddance

So help save Windows XP

XP Death Watch

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/27/XP-deathwatch-T-minus-five-...

Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains
the most-used version of Windows. The newest data from Web metrics
vendor Net Applications, for example,
pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went
online last month,

five times the nearest competitor, Microsoft's own Windows Vista.

Which is why an impending deadline five weeks from today is important.

According to Microsoft, June 30 is the last day it will permit
retailers and OEMs to sell
the nearly seven-year-old operating system.

[ Make your voice heard. Sign InfoWorld's 'Save Windows XP' petition
today. ]

http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/

You'll have questions as that date approaches,

including whether the deadline will drive up prices (gouging,
anyone?);

we plan to have the answers, starting with this FAQ and continuing
through the end of next month.

How long until Microsoft shuts off the XP spigot? Five weeks from
today is the last day Microsoft

will officially allow retailers to sell the old operating system, and
let major computer makers
--
called "OEMs," for "original equipment manufacturers" -- to sell PCs
with XP pre-installed.

Monday, June 30, is the EOL, or End-Of-Life, a term Dell, not
Microsoft, has publicly used,
for XP's retail and OEM availability.

So what's the June 18 date I've heard about? That's the day that Dell
has said is the last

possible day for its customers to buy a machine running Windows XP.
"To meet Microsoft's

June 30 last-day-to-ship OEM Windows XP deadline,

June 18 is the last time to purchase a Dell laptop, desktop, or
workstation

with an OEM Windows XP license"

, Dell says on its Web site.

www.dell.com

 

[Bob I]

He (Hayden Kirk) is stupid....

I could recommend a hummer jeep for everyone, but the extra cost makes
no sense for people in the city...
Sure it could travel any terrain but at what cost?

First, Jeeps and Hummers are two different vehicles, produced buy two
different companies. And second, for inner city use, well parking
opportunities are unlimited for them, which by the way is the biggest
issue autos have there. So, it would seem, Hayden Kirk isn't the the
stupid one.

 

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

for inner city use, well parking
opportunities are unlimited for them, which by the way is the biggest
issue autos have there.

Sure... everyone needs a "Hummer" so that can simply run over everything
on the road or in a parking lot, suck up fossil fuels and pollute the air.
Hummer: It's for the men with a small penis and the mom's with ADD.

 

[cheley_bonstell88]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, (e-mail address removed)
<[email protected]>
 wrote

So help save Windows XP

[rest snipped]

I've got a far better idea, methinks...though it's nowhere
near finished yet.

http://www.reactos.org/

Apparently it's good enough to run Unreal Tournament, though I
for one have had difficulties on my setup mostly because I
multiboot, and the base system isn't quite bright enough to
figure out anything other than a single primary partition.
The main homepage does state clearly that

    Please bear in mind that ReactOS 0.3.4 is still in
    alpha stage, meaning it is not feature complete and
    is not recommended for everyday use.

so caveat user.

I have been able to run the LiveDisc using QEMU; that's
probably the easiest way to try it.

Another, more polished solution is

http://www.winehq.org/

which is a far different kettle of fish.  ReactOS basically
boots from the BIOS much like any other system, whereas WinE
runs on top of an already existing Linux or FreeBSD solution.
(It might even run on Windows, strange as that sounds.)

A third solution is commercial in nature:

http://www.vmware.com/

and is mostly for the purposes of encapsulating Windows XP
in its own little sandbox -- or ReactOS or a live distro
under test.

And for completeness:

http://www.freedos.org/

which isn't Windows but shows that DOS just won't die. ;-)

Ghost
Thanks for the link to ReactOS; , among others, it looks promising

http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ

Meanwhile, got a New " Ghosted 160 Gig HD for my XP box, Put in 1 Gig
Mem,
New 256 MB Video card;

and have Ubuntu GG on the other partition;

- Which is pretty Amazing

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, (e-mail address removed)
<[email protected]>
 wrote

So help save Windows XP

On Jun 13, 8:52 pm, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
XP Death Watch

Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP remains
the most-used version of  Windows. The newest data from Web metrics
vendor Net Applications, for example,
pegs XP as driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went
online last month,

[rest snipped]

I've got a far better idea, methinks...though it's nowhere
near finished yet.

http://www.reactos.org/

Apparently it's good enough to run Unreal Tournament, though I
for one have had difficulties on my setup mostly because I
multiboot, and the base system isn't quite bright enough to
figure out anything other than a single primary partition.
The main homepage does state clearly that

    Please bear in mind that ReactOS 0.3.4 is still in
    alpha stage, meaning it is not feature complete and
    is not recommended for everyday use.

so caveat user.

I have been able to run the LiveDisc using QEMU; that's
probably the easiest way to try it.

Another, more polished solution is

http://www.winehq.org/

which is a far different kettle of fish.  ReactOS basically
boots from the BIOS much like any other system, whereas WinE
runs on top of an already existing Linux or FreeBSD solution.
(It might even run on Windows, strange as that sounds.)

A third solution is commercial in nature:

http://www.vmware.com/

and is mostly for the purposes of encapsulating Windows XP
in its own little sandbox -- or ReactOS or a live distro
under test.

And for completeness:

http://www.freedos.org/

which isn't Windows but shows that DOS just won't die. ;-)

Ghost
Thanks for the link to ReactOS; , among others, it looks promising

That's what the Linux loons have been saying about Linux for the past 10+
years.

It ain't happened yet.

Meanwhile, got a New " Ghosted 160 Gig HD for my XP box, Put in 1 Gig
Mem,
New 256 MB Video card;

Wow!
State of the art man!
You sure your name isn't kelsey?

and have Ubuntu GG on the other partition;

- Which is pretty Amazing

Whatever floats your boat...
Do they have Quicken for ReactOS?

How about Photoshop?

 

[Alias]

Last time I checked, MS was a corporation based in a capitalist nation &
world.

Last time I checked, holding your paying customers in total disdain like
MS does is not good for a capitalistic corporation and will affect the
bottom line.

Alias

 

[Mike]

**::-Alias-::** wrote:

I am Alias: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p276/rurruee/RIKARDIN.jpg

 

[bluefin]

When the last days of XP (Jun 30th, 2008) reaches to the verge of
trash bin, many are reluctant to bid good bye. So it is time for
Vista. Look forward to these newsgroups:
microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup,
microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Rick
<[email protected]>
 wrote

01:37 -0700 (PDT), (e-mail address removed)
wrote:
On Jun 16, 2:27 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, (e-mail address removed)
<[email protected]>
 wrote
@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
So help save Windows XP
On Jun 13, 8:52 pm, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
XP Death Watch
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/05/27/XP-deathwatch-T-minus-
five-...
Even though it has had its own problems of late, Windows XP
remains the most-used version of  Windows. The newest data from
Web metrics vendor Net Applications, for example, pegs XP as
driving 73 percent of the personal computers that went online last
month,
[rest snipped]
I've got a far better idea, methinks...though it's nowhere near
finished yet.
http://www.reactos.org/
Apparently it's good enough to run Unreal Tournament, though I for
one have had difficulties on my setup mostly because I multiboot,
and the base system isn't quite bright enough to figure out anything
other than a single primary partition. The main homepage does state
clearly that
    Please bear in mind that ReactOS 0.3.4 is still in alpha
    stage, meaning it is not feature complete and is not
    recommended for everyday use.
so caveat user.
I have been able to run the LiveDisc using QEMU; that's probably the
easiest way to try it.
Another, more polished solution is
http://www.winehq.org/
which is a far different kettle of fish.  ReactOS basically boots
from the BIOS much like any other system, whereas WinE runs on top
of an already existing Linux or FreeBSD solution. (It might even run
on Windows, strange as that sounds.)
A third solution is commercial in nature:
http://www.vmware.com/
and is mostly for the purposes of encapsulating Windows XP in its
own little sandbox -- or ReactOS or a live distro under test.
And for completeness:
http://www.freedos.org/
which isn't Windows but shows that DOS just won't die. ;-)
--
#191, (e-mail address removed)
"Woman?  What woman?"

Ghost
Thanks for the link to ReactOS; , among others, it looks promising
That's what the Linux loons have been saying about Linux for the past
10+ years.
Look the bigot bitch shoots of its mouth again.

He's right though;

It is not. Linux is indeed promising. Linux based systems are ready for
great numbers of people. Is it ready for everyone? No. Nothing is.

we're not "there" yet, if one means by "there" that
we have a plurality in the desktop systems marketplace.  It's hard to
say if we even have a significant presence, apart from the "buzz", which
is its own form of vaporware, and there are other markets; Linux is
doing reasonably well holding its own in the server market, for example..

And devices.

I suspect Quicken will work for ReactOS once everything's more or less
in a beta state; it's very alpha now.  Of course it depends on what APIs
it needs from Microsoft Windows.

Same deal.

 

[Snit]

It is not. Linux is indeed promising. Linux based systems are ready for
great numbers of people. Is it ready for everyone? No. Nothing is.


And devices.

Linux does well in some areas, but the *one* are Linux cares about, the
desktop, it is still not ready for prime time for most users. It is,
however, getting better.