would vidcard problems stop with change to new series of same thing?

[mechphisto]

The motherboard is a M61P-S3.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128034

The chipset is a single chip, combining Northbridge and Southbridge functions.
Geforce 6100/430.

http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/13-128-034-04.jpg

It could be, that the SATA interface only throws errors, when the
chip temp hits 74C. Thus, testing in Linux, when not gaming, is
no longer stressing the chipset chip quite the same way.

By comparison, an IDE interface would be much more tolerant of
temperature.

The chipset runs the SATA interface at 1.5Gbit/sec or 3.0Gbit/sec,
and the I/O pad on the chip probably sees some performance degradation
when operated at high temperature. It may take disk testing, while
a game is running, to detect a problem. If there is a way to do
something like that...

Paul

Hmm, good information. If the ice storm lets up, I'll see if I can go
get a fan for the North/Southbridge sink.
In any case, I ran Speedfan under the game for a couple of hours
yesterday (with the other HD it doesn't matter how long it runs...it
could be 10 minutes...it'll BSOD if I Alt+Tab out of it for sure. It
takes longer to BSOD in game if I just let it run, though,) and the
Temp2 (which I believe is the 'bridge chip) never got higher than 62C.
It only got to 74C at its highest during the Prime95 test.

I'm going to pick up a new SATA cable when I get the fan. I'm looking
for a cheap SATA drive just to swap and test with, but even used
SATA's aren't cheap. :/ (I have like 10 spare IDE's lying around. I
wonder if I can trade them in for one SATA LOL)

As soon as I can get the parts, I'll try the new cable, different SATA
port, fanned chip, and hopefully new drive, and will report back on
what happens.
Thanks for all the feedback!
-Liam

 

[mechphisto]

Hmm, good information. If the ice storm lets up, I'll see if I can go
get a fan for the North/Southbridge sink.
In any case, I ran Speedfan under the game for a couple of hours
yesterday (with the other HD it doesn't matter how long it runs...it
could be 10 minutes...it'll BSOD if I Alt+Tab out of it for sure. It
takes longer to BSOD in game if I just let it run, though,) and the
Temp2 (which I believe is the 'bridge chip) never got higher than 62C.
It only got to 74C at its highest during the Prime95 test.

I'm going to pick up a new SATA cable when I get the fan. I'm looking
for a cheap SATA drive just to swap and test with, but even used
SATA's aren't cheap. :/ (I have like 10 spare IDE's lying around. I
wonder if I can trade them in for one SATA LOL)

As soon as I can get the parts, I'll try the new cable, different SATA
port, fanned chip, and hopefully new drive, and will report back on
what happens.
Thanks for all the feedback!
-Liam

Here's an odd new development:
Using a different SATA cable and a different port on the mobo, I can't
get the game to BSOD. As I've said, all I have to do, regardless of
'bridge temperature, is Alt+Tab out of the game and it BSOD. I can't
get it to do that.
But here's the rub: It could be the cable or port...or, the fact that
I didn't allow the system to install the Windows HDMI Sound system
drivers, or whatever it's called.

Every time I installed the 2600XT card, along with video drivers, it
wants to install some Microsoft WMDI, er, HDMI, or, whatever (since I
didn't install them, I can't look and see what it's called) sound
drivers. It usually gives me some problems--sound won't work, have to
reinstall, have to uninstall items in Device Manager, refresh,
reinstall drivers, etc.
This time I said screw it, I'm not going to mess with it, I'm just
here to test the card and and SATA.

But now that it seems to be working, although without sound, I'm
wondering now if the Microsoft HDI sound that seems to accompany the
video card, has something to do with all this.

God I hate computers.

 

[mechphisto]

Here's an odd new development:
Using a different SATA cable and a different port on the mobo, I can't
get the game to BSOD. As I've said, all I have to do, regardless of
'bridge temperature, is Alt+Tab out of the game and it BSOD. I can't
get it to do that.
But here's the rub: It could be the cable or port...or, the fact that
I didn't allow the system to install the Windows HDMI Sound system
drivers, or whatever it's called.

Every time I installed the 2600XT card, along with video drivers, it
wants to install some Microsoft WMDI, er, HDMI, or, whatever (since I
didn't install them, I can't look and see what it's called) sound
drivers. It usually gives me some problems--sound won't work, have to
reinstall, have to uninstall items in Device Manager, refresh,
reinstall drivers, etc.
This time I said screw it, I'm not going to mess with it, I'm just
here to test the card and and SATA.

But now that it seems to be working, although without sound, I'm
wondering now if the Microsoft HDI sound that seems to accompany the
video card, has something to do with all this.

God I hate computers.

(OK, Device Manager has the device name even though I won't let it
install drivers:
Microsoft WINMM WDM Audio Compatibility Driver, and an unknown sound
device.
Unfortunately sound worked fine before I put in the ATI video card,
using the Realtek High Definition Audio. Unfortunately, with the video
card in and the drivers for the new sound devices not installed, the
Sound Control Panel options are grayed out...so I can't force it to
use Realtek again.)

 

[ShadowTek]

Microsoft WINMM WDM Audio Compatibility Driver, and an unknown sound

device.
Unfortunately sound worked fine before I put in the ATI video card,
using the Realtek High Definition Audio. Unfortunately, with the video
card in and the drivers for the new sound devices not installed, the
Sound Control Panel options are grayed out...so I can't force it to
use Realtek again.)

You mean those onboard Relteks? You could try to find a driver for it.

I would think that getting a dedicated sound card would be a better
idea though, since you would also be adding more hardware resources to
your PC.

 

[mechphisto]

You mean those onboard Relteks? You could try to find a driver for it.

I would think that getting a dedicated sound card would be a better
idea though, since you would also be adding more hardware resources to
your PC.

Yeah, I've used the driver that came with the board, the driver
Windows Update provides, and the updated driver from Gigabyte's Web
site.
Yeah, dedicated sound card would be better--but I don't want to advise
him to buy something more until I can figure out exactly what is wrong
with the system for fear of just throwing money away. He's not exactly
rich, and he's a friend/co-worker, not a customer.

OK, update:
I got the Realtek sound to work fine and prevented the "Audio Device
on High Definition Audio Bus" from installing when I inserted the ATI
video card.
It's running on the same SATA hard drive, but a different cable in a
different SATA port on the board.
BSOD.

So, I got it to work fine and couldn't get it to crash when it was
running with no sound at all.
Can that still be an issue? Could the onboard sound cause a BSOD
blaming win32k.sys and 0x050F? (Which has seemingly no consensus on
the Googletubes what that means, but is usually blamed on RAM or video
drivers.)

I guess I still need to try to find a used, cheap SATA drive to try it
on, and eliminate the HD as the problem.

 

[ShadowTek]

Can that still be an issue? Could the onboard sound cause a BSOD

blaming win32k.sys and 0x050F?

If you can borrow a sound card from someone, then you wouldn't have to
spend any money, and you could test everything with the onboard audio
disabled.

 

[mechphisto]

If you can borrow a sound card from someone, then you wouldn't have to
spend any money, and you could test everything with the onboard audio
disabled.

LOL true..unfortunately even I use the onboard sound on my computer at
home, and everyone here at work uses the onboard sound.
(I've always wanted to get a sound card, ever since my brother got an
Audigy 2, and MAN! Did it really make a difference--I was honestly
surprised what a difference it could make. But have never been able to
justify the cost when I have, you know food to buy and stuff. *g*)