Workgroup

[Guest]

I have a computer that while it will join a workgroup and can see the other
computers in the workgroup. But it can not be see itself, and the others are
unable to see it.

 

[Carey Holzman]

If you like to walk through this step-by-step, send me an email at
(e-mail address removed)

Carey

 

[Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

If you like to walk through this step-by-step, send me an email at
(e-mail address removed)

I recommend that the OP leave replies in the group so that everyone can
benefit.

 

[Carey Holzman]

Unfortunately, I receive numerous comments from other regulars in the group
discouraging my proven tips and confusing the poster. As a result, I am now
offering help in email to avoid this unsolicited harassment.

Thanks for understanding,
Carey

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

 

[Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

Unfortunately, I receive numerous comments from other regulars in the
group discouraging my proven tips and confusing the poster. As a
result, I am now offering help in email to avoid this unsolicited
harassment.

Well - isn't it better to get the debate out in the open, then? If you're
receiving a lot of feedback stating that your advice is incorrect, perhaps
there's a reason for it.

I don't know anything specific; I haven't seen or followed anything in the
groups to that effect. I still say that the groups are the best place to
keep this sort of thing. That's what they're for.

Thanks for understanding,
Carey

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

I recommend that the OP leave replies in the group so that everyone
can benefit.

 

[Carey Holzman]

No. I am helping people. I have been resolving networking problems more than
6 years online and no one in that time has ever come back with problems that
'develop over time.'

If people have an alternate solution, they should offer it. But to debate
and argue over my solution is pointless since they are not the ones asking
the question.

The people asking the question can determine which answer suites them best.
As I am sure you are aware, when it comes to Windows PCs, you can ask 5
people the same question and get 5 different answers, none of which are
wrong, but each will defend their logic of their choice.

There is no way you can find a resolution to convince someone Ford is better
than Chevy or Bush is better than Kerry.

This is no different. It has no resolution. People should respect one
another and since the only ones complaining are the ones NOT asking for my
help, I don't consider their 'arguments' worthy of debate since they have no
crystal ball and do not know my experience and 100% fix rate with networking
issues.

This week alone more than 15 people contacted me in email and each one is
now working with no residual problems.

There is no convincing those wanting to argue of these and other facts, so
why waste my time?

This is not a forum for debate. This is a forum for helping people. Since
they want to debate about things they don't understand, I will continue to
invite the questioners to email me and pull it away from the public forum.

Thank Steve Winograd and Lou Ramsey. They're the instigators that have
driven me to find an alternate resolution. There is no amount of talking to
either one of them that will satisfy them. Once again, it's like trying to
convince someone to change their religion.

They are welcome to offer their own solutions, but when they discourage my
tips or fixes, they cross the line, as my tips and fixes are proven to work
and have no side-effects and are not DANGEROUS as their messages imply.

What did I do to deserve this unnecessary scrutiny? I offered to help
people.

No good deed goes unpunished, and they're going to make sure of it.

So long as they participate on the forums, my advice will continue as it
has.

Carey



"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

Unfortunately, I receive numerous comments from other regulars in the
group discouraging my proven tips and confusing the poster. As a
result, I am now offering help in email to avoid this unsolicited
harassment.

Well - isn't it better to get the debate out in the open, then? If you're
receiving a lot of feedback stating that your advice is incorrect, perhaps
there's a reason for it.

I don't know anything specific; I haven't seen or followed anything in the
groups to that effect. I still say that the groups are the best place to
keep this sort of thing. That's what they're for.

Thanks for understanding,
Carey

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

Carey Holzman wrote:
If you like to walk through this step-by-step, send me an email at
(e-mail address removed)

I recommend that the OP leave replies in the group so that everyone
can benefit.

Carey

I have a computer that while it will join a workgroup and can see
the other computers in the workgroup. But it can not be see itself,
and the others are
unable to see it.

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Thank Steve Winograd and Lou Ramsey. They're the instigators that have
driven me to find an alternate resolution. There is no amount of talking to
either one of them that will satisfy them. Once again, it's like trying to
convince someone to change their religion.

Let's get some things straight here.

1. I haven't instigated anything. I haven't driven you to do
anything. What you do is 100% your choice.

2. All that I've done is point out technical errors in messages that
you've posted. Those errors are confusing and unhelpful to the people
looking for help in the news groups.

Specifically, I've pointed out that Tip #1 on your web site, which
you've recommended as the solution for all types of network problems,
doesn't apply to Windows XP and doesn't have anything to do with
pinging a computer on a network. I've posted a message with full
details:

http://groups.google.com/[email protected]

How would you feel if you asked someone how to get from one town to
another and he told you to take several roads that don't exist? Would
you find it helpful?

3. You haven't even tried to talk to me or to satisfy my technical
objections to your messages. You haven't posted a single word to
justify your technical position.

This isn't anything like discussing religion. There can be no proof
or disproof of religious ideas. I've given proof, several times, that
your Tip #1 doesn't apply to Windows XP, and you haven't posted a
single word to justify your position.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

 

[Malke]

Let's get some things straight here.

1. I haven't instigated anything. I haven't driven you to do
anything. What you do is 100% your choice.

2. All that I've done is point out technical errors in messages that
you've posted. Those errors are confusing and unhelpful to the people
looking for help in the news groups.

Specifically, I've pointed out that Tip #1 on your web site, which
you've recommended as the solution for all types of network problems,
doesn't apply to Windows XP and doesn't have anything to do with
pinging a computer on a network. I've posted a message with full
details:

http://groups.google.com/[email protected]

How would you feel if you asked someone how to get from one town to
another and he told you to take several roads that don't exist? Would
you find it helpful?

3. You haven't even tried to talk to me or to satisfy my technical
objections to your messages. You haven't posted a single word to
justify your technical position.

This isn't anything like discussing religion. There can be no proof
or disproof of religious ideas. I've given proof, several times, that
your Tip #1 doesn't apply to Windows XP, and you haven't posted a
single word to justify your position.

Besides, one of the great advantages of posting answers in the
newsgroups - as opposed to private email - is that it makes the answers
available for searching so that others can get help in the future.
Setting aside for a moment the fact that peer review of answers is very
important, while offering to help posters via private email may be
big-hearted it limits the usefulness of the newsgroup. Why bother
posting to Usenet then?

Malke

 

[Carey Holzman]

I've tried to have discussions with you on several occasions. In fact, I've
tried to get on your good side, but that doesn't seem possible.

Your most recent reply is evidence of what I am referring to and
justification for continuing to invite questioners to email me directly.

If you want to work WITH me instead of against me, my door is always open,
Steve.

I'd be happy to discuss my network tips with you one on one in email or
messenger or over the phone. I'll even pay for the call.

In the past, you seem to only want to insult and criticize. If you truly
want to discuss it and see if we can come to an agreement, the invitation
exists.

Carey


Carey

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

I've tried to have discussions with you on several occasions. In fact, I've
tried to get on your good side, but that doesn't seem possible.

Your most recent reply is evidence of what I am referring to and
justification for continuing to invite questioners to email me directly.

If you want to work WITH me instead of against me, my door is always open,
Steve.

I'd be happy to discuss my network tips with you one on one in email or
messenger or over the phone. I'll even pay for the call.

In the past, you seem to only want to insult and criticize. If you truly
want to discuss it and see if we can come to an agreement, the invitation
exists.

Carey

After all the complaints that you've sent to the MVP program and to
Microsoft executives, saying that I'm abusing you and being
unprofessional, there's nothing that you can possibly do to get on my
good side.

The only interaction that I'm willing to have with you is technical
discussions, in public news groups, which help people solve their
technical problems.

I've posted several corrections to posts that you made, where you told
people to follow steps that aren't possible to follow. Such advice is
confusing and unhelpful. You've called my corrections "unsolicited
harassment" and said that I "insult" you.

If I make a technical error, please point it out. I'll acknowledge my
mistake, take responsibility for it, and thank you. I would call your
corrections "valuable contributions" and say that you "help" me and
other people.

Since you want to discuss your network tips, a good start would be to
respond, in this news group, to the technical analysis that I made of
Tip #1, where I show, in great detail, why it doesn't apply to the
question that you answered. So far, you haven't posted a single word
to justify your technical position. That message is available at:

http://groups.google.com/[email protected]

If you send another complaint letter to Steve Ballmer, please give him
my regards.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

 

[Carey Holzman]

This is an example of an unprofessional attitude and unbecoming of an MVP.

I have tried to make amends with you on numerous occasions. I do NOT need
your approval nor do I need to justify your unsolicited and uninvited
criticisms.

Who do you think you are and what's the view like all the way up there?

No need to reply to this or any other message. If you continue to
discriminate and harassment me, I assure you, the evidence will continue to
be collected and funneled to Microsoft.

You will see no further replies from me unless they come from an official
representative of Microsoft on my behalf.

I highly suggest to find another target to intimidate.