windows xp wont display on 14" monitor

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spodosaurus said:
Then there would be now viewable image on the monitor. Hence, you're
still wrong. But feel free to keep trying to have the last word :-)


viewable (being distorted in some way whether its color or position) but how
USABLE?
If you have no clue, why do you respond?
last word is not my objective, my objective is not giving the OP incorrect
info.

l8tr - feel free at this point to clip one line and comment
again..............
 
JAD said:
viewable (being distorted in some way whether its color or position) but how
USABLE?
If you have no clue, why do you respond?
last word is not my objective, my objective is not giving the OP incorrect
info.

The OP already saw your info as incorrect. He even posted such. When you
figure out the difference between hardware and software, please let us know.

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The OP already saw your info as incorrect. He even posted such. When you
figure out the difference between hardware and software, please let us
know.

Uh huh....right you are in a dream world................ zz was the OP and
NEVER posted anything but the first post (other than the repeat).......get a
grip! You have officially made it to 'clueless' on this matter.
 
just loaded a fresh install win xp and shifted the machine to its new
home and it doesnt like the 14" monitor we want to use it with.....
we cant change the display depth below 16bit......we can only see
windows in safe mode it just shows a garbled screen in normal mode
what can be done??
zz


Are you using a proper driver for the video or just the
windows-bundled "lite" driver? Try the proper driver and
adjust the refresh rate down as low as possible while in
safe mode.
 
JAD said:
YOU ARE NOT USING THE ADAPTERS DRIVER IN SAFE
MODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
True

Therefor you are NOT truely using the adapter other than that is what the
monitor is connected to.

I'm not sure what 'truly using' means unless you mean 'all the features'
but one could also argue you're not using 'all' the capability in 1024x640
mode with a 1600x1200 capable card.

But you are certainly using the adapter or else there would be no display
in any mode, crummy or not.
As soon as you load the driver (even at the lowest
settings allowed by that driver) the adapter is useless on that monitor, do
you get it?...........the adapter is useless with that monitor PERIOD.

That isn't correct. The card is capable of 640x480 at any supported color
depth. It's XP that defaults to 800x600 minimum (and has that as the
'minimum' on the slider bar) but even that is not a 'hard' limit and can be
changed. Enable VGA mode, which is not 'safe mode'. It's VGA mode, in
living color, just like every Windows version prior to XP supported. And so
does XP, albeit a bit grudgingly.

The card works at 640x480, the driver works at 640x480, and the monitor
works at 640x480. It's just that XP wants you to use 800x600, or higher, so
when you boot up 'normally' stubborn XP will set it no lower than it's
'recommended' 800x600 minimum resolution and you get a garbled display.

Whether one wants to use XP in 640x480 mode is another matter but it's no
different than using Windows 2000 or Windows98 in 640x480 mode.

This
is a very common scenario when using old monitors (even some older LCD's)
with newer adapters. Sometimes you can get a setting that works but the
screen is not centered at any resolution, or the picture rolls , This is
unacceptable for me, maybe you run your machine in safe mode all the time
and have no problem squinting at your screen, not me.

There can certainly be a conflict between supported refresh rates, such as
an old monitor supporting 800x600 but only 86/43Hz interlaced with a
display card that only does non-interlaced 60Hz minimum, but the one that
should always work is 640x480 60Hz. That's why 'safe mode' uses it.
 
DaveW said:
I would recommend getting a standard sized monitor (such as a 17").
I remember when 14" was a standard size monitor! (almost the only size for
that matter)

SteveH
 
the snorting said:
DO NOT CROSSPOST INTO 24HR BULLSHIT GROUP. Watch the 'posting to'
list , and quit letting John Doe and the other dimwits from that
group ruin this one.

**** off.
 
JAD said:
know.

Uh huh....right you are in a dream world................ zz was the OP and
NEVER posted anything but the first post (other than the repeat).......get a
grip! You have officially made it to 'clueless' on this matter.

Even David M has tried to explain this to you, twice. When you get
finished eith the ECT let us know and we'll send you get well soon cards.

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spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
 
david,.... regardless of his 'I know everything' research technique doesn't
make him 100 percent correct 100 percent of the time. I have been through
this NUMEROUS times and it has NOTHING to do with XP.
 
just so you know john the dildo doe, I have allot of time to make your life
miserable, if there is one chance in 1000 to burn your ass, I'll find it. so
I would find someone else to **** with, I am not a clueless dork like some
others.
 
JAD said:
david,.... regardless of his 'I know everything' research technique doesn't
make him 100 percent correct 100 percent of the time. I have been through
this NUMEROUS times and it has NOTHING to do with XP.

Yeah, but he's right...again.
repeat).......get a


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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
 
JAD said:
just so you know john the dildo doe, I have allot of time to make your life
miserable, if there is one chance in 1000 to burn your ass, I'll find it. so
I would find someone else to **** with, I am not a clueless dork like some
others.

Just ignore the kiddie with the bot, he's not worth your time JAD.

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
 
Too bad the OP hasn't responded. I know for a fact, that if he changes the
monitor, to just about anything other than a old 14 in. monitor, all would
be well. MUCH easier than finding a card that will work with it.

David, for some reason you were plonked again....nother 24hr post i would
assume.... so consequently did not see your insightful posts....however
misguided.............
 
a bot...really? interesting. the responses are just generated gibberish?
Much like those stupid headers, or is that what you were referring to.
 
JAD said:
Too bad the OP hasn't responded. I know for a fact, that if he changes the
monitor, to just about anything other than a old 14 in. monitor, all would
be well.

A newer monitor would work, yes.
MUCH easier than finding a card that will work with it.

Can you tell me of any particular card you've run across that won't do
640x480 60Hz?
David, for some reason you were plonked again....nother 24hr post i would
assume.... so consequently did not see your insightful posts....however
misguided.............

What's a 24hr post?
 
spodosaurus

would you paste David's current addy , I can't seem to find it in the damn
list.........which I see now has grown quite allot since google and the
intentional crossposting into ......well.... HELL.. for all intents and
purposes.
 
JAD said:
spodosaurus

would you paste David's current addy , I can't seem to find it in the damn
list.........which I see now has grown quite allot since google and the
intentional crossposting into ......well.... HELL.. for all intents and
purposes.

I'm afraid I don't have it :-(

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spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
 
David Maynard said:
I'm not sure what 'truly using' means unless you mean 'all the features'
but one could also argue you're not using 'all' the capability in 1024x640
mode with a 1600x1200 capable card.

But you are certainly using the adapter or else there would be no display
in any mode, crummy or not.


That isn't correct. The card is capable of 640x480 at any supported color
depth. It's XP that defaults to 800x600 minimum (and has that as the
'minimum' on the slider bar) but even that is not a 'hard' limit and can
be changed. Enable VGA mode, which is not 'safe mode'. It's VGA mode, in
living color, just like every Windows version prior to XP supported. And
so does XP, albeit a bit grudgingly.

Yes saying it was 'not' using it was not the proper terminology, its lamed
(seriously if its a decent card)although I know that even when you get a
screen size to work, you try to raise the color depth and wham!, screen goes
dark, black, and/or distorted. so you end up with not only 640x480 you get
256 or less color. Then there is the minimum refresh rate the adapter can
be adjusted to via the driver. My 7500 AIW will get to the point where the
LCD will work great. However the 128 rage AIW won't. Now you say that there
is no 'refresh' rate for LCD's. Yes this is true of today's models, however
this one does, and because I do not 'major' in LCDs, I cannot give the
reason,
but that's irrelevant any way. its an example of a low resolution monitor
in analog mode and an adapter that will not work no matter the
driver/setting. even in safe mode.
The card works at 640x480, the driver works at 640x480, and the monitor
works at 640x480. It's just that XP wants you to use 800x600, or higher,
so when you boot up 'normally' stubborn XP will set it no lower than it's
'recommended' 800x600 minimum resolution and you get a garbled display.

Hmmm I do not have that problem with XP home.....however is this caused
when you have all the bells and whistles enabled? I have a 640x480 setting
in display properties currently....But I do remember NOT having it in the
original setup/install.
Whether one wants to use XP in 640x480 mode is another matter but it's no
different than using Windows 2000 or Windows98 in 640x480 mode.

That's what I was saying ---usable, And even though you can get 640x480 most
of the menu windows and cascades go off the screen either at the top or the
bottom.
There can certainly be a conflict between supported refresh rates, such as
an old monitor supporting 800x600 but only 86/43Hz interlaced with a
display card that only does non-interlaced 60Hz minimum, but the one that
should always work is 640x480 60Hz.

That's why 'safe mode' uses it.at 16 bit or 256 color, and that sux for windows, and that's really where I
was going. Weird non standard hor-vert refresh rates....Packard bell 1500c
comes to mind. Some adapters just don't have the capability. Allot of 14 in
monitors of legacy design have this problem.
 
To circumvent the urination tournament the thread has devolved into, I
suggest:

Boot in Safe Mode.

Set the display resolution to 800X600, at 60 Hz. (The color depth is
probably unimportant.) I believe that is the lowest resolution ordinarily
supported in XP.

Reboot into XP.

If the 14" monitor can't support 800X600 at 60 Hz, it's long past time to
retire it.

Once you get it running, it would be good to download and install the .inf
file for the monitor. (XP may already have one, for an old monitor.) That
would prevent you form selecting unsupported resolution/refresh rate, as
long as you have the "hide modes that this monitor cannot support" box
checked on the Monitor tab of the Advanced settings on the Display control
panel.


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