Windows XP SP2 - OEM and Boot Camp

[Guest]

I'm looking into purchasing the Windows XP Home edition SP2 - OEM for around
$90 and was wondering if I would be able to install it on more than 1 mac/pc.

I'm actually planning on using it with Apple's Boot Camp (on 2 macbooks) and
was wondering if I could use it for both macs.

Any information would be great.

-Travis

 

[peter]

No...One license one machine
peter

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

No. One Windows XP license entitles you to install it on only one PC.

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Microsoft MVP
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| I'm looking into purchasing the Windows XP Home edition SP2 - OEM for around
| $90 and was wondering if I would be able to install it on more than 1 mac/pc.
|
| I'm actually planning on using it with Apple's Boot Camp (on 2 macbooks) and
| was wondering if I could use it for both macs.
|
| Any information would be great.
|
| -Travis
|
|

 

[leew [MVP]]

No. One Windows XP license entitles you to install it on only one PC.

Not only that, but I believe you would be violating the licensing by
installing an OEM copy on a Mac - OEM copies are to be sold only
with/for full systems which have never had an operating system. Apple
would have to sell the XP license with the Mac for it to be legal to use
on the Mac. (I could be mistaken, but I'm reasonably certain about this).

 

[Curt Christianson]

Haven't seen you for a while Carey. Good to see you.

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HTH,
Curt

Windows Support Center
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[Rock]

I'm looking into purchasing the Windows XP Home edition SP2 - OEM for
around
$90 and was wondering if I would be able to install it on more than 1
mac/pc.

I'm actually planning on using it with Apple's Boot Camp (on 2 macbooks)
and
was wondering if I could use it for both macs.

The rule is one license per installation so you would need two licenses for
that. Also know that by the license agreement OEM copies are tied to the
first system on which it is installed and can't be moved to another
computer.

 

[norm]

Not only that, but I believe you would be violating the licensing by
installing an OEM copy on a Mac - OEM copies are to be sold only
with/for full systems which have never had an operating system. Apple
would have to sell the XP license with the Mac for it to be legal to use
on the Mac. (I could be mistaken, but I'm reasonably certain about this).

The terms found at http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx
do not seem to prohibit such an oem xp installation. The xp installation
lives on its own partition and is a clean install. One can buy a
legitimate shrinkwrapped oem disk and license and install it without any
apple participation. The info can be found here:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

"Boot Camp lets you install Windows XP without moving your Mac data,
though you will need to bring your own copy to the table, as Apple
Computer does not sell or support Microsoft Windows.(1) Boot Camp will
burn a CD of all the required drivers for Windows so you don't have to
scrounge around the Internet looking for them."

"Once you’ve completed Boot Camp, simply hold down the option key at
startup to choose between Mac OS X and Windows. (That’s the “alt” key
for you longtime Windows users.) After starting up, your Mac runs
Windows completely natively. Simply restart to come back to Mac."

 

[leew [MVP]]

The terms found at http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx
do not seem to prohibit such an oem xp installation. The xp installation
lives on its own partition and is a clean install. One can buy a
legitimate shrinkwrapped oem disk and license and install it without any
apple participation. The info can be found here:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

"Boot Camp lets you install Windows XP without moving your Mac data,
though you will need to bring your own copy to the table, as Apple
Computer does not sell or support Microsoft Windows.(1) Boot Camp will
burn a CD of all the required drivers for Windows so you don't have to
scrounge around the Internet looking for them."

"Once you’ve completed Boot Camp, simply hold down the option key at
startup to choose between Mac OS X and Windows. (That’s the “alt” key
for you longtime Windows users.) After starting up, your Mac runs
Windows completely natively. Simply restart to come back to Mac."

There are multiple licenses - OEM, Retail, Upgrade - you can absolutely
use Retail... but not OEM.

Your link to Microsoft seems to say essentially the same thing as the
blog entry (partially quoted below). Though it does look like the
trimmed a few words, I still read it as essentially the same. Meaning it
is not legal to put an OEM copy of Windows on a Mac - Apple has to do it
for you (and I don't think they are).

My source:
http://blogs.msdn.com/mssmallbiz/archive/2005/09/07/461950.aspx

To quote the blog entry:
"4.1 We grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute an individual
software license only with a fully assembled computer system. A "fully
assembled computer system" means a computer system consisting of at
least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard drive, a power
supply, and a case."

You will notice the loophole that people have been exploiting (the
former language which stated that an OEM desktop Operating System
license could be sold with "non-peripheral hardware,") is no longer in
place. It is now very simple and straightforward: an OEM license must be
sold "only with a fully assembled computer system." Loophole closed.

Also, in section 6. Preinstallation requirement, you will notice it now
states:

"When you distribute an individual software license for a desktop
operating system or application software, you must preinstall it on the
fully assembled computer system’s hard drive using the OEM
Preinstallation Kit ("OPK") provided in this package or otherwise made
available by us. This preinstallation requirement does not apply to
server software."

So in addition to having to sell an OEM Desktop Operating System license
with a fully assembled computer system, it must also be preinstalled on
the fully assembled computer system that it is being sold with. Again,
loophole closed. These same restrictions would also apply to any OEM
Office license as well. OEM Office must be sold with a fully assembled
computer system and must also be preinstalled on the fully assembled
computer system that it is being sold with. OEM Server licenses must
also be sold with a fully assembled computer system; however, the
preinstallation requirement clause does not apply to OEM server licenses
as you can see in section 6 above.

 

[norm]

There are multiple licenses - OEM, Retail, Upgrade - you can absolutely
use Retail... but not OEM.

Your link to Microsoft seems to say essentially the same thing as the
blog entry (partially quoted below). Though it does look like the
trimmed a few words, I still read it as essentially the same. Meaning it
is not legal to put an OEM copy of Windows on a Mac - Apple has to do it
for you (and I don't think they are).

My source:
http://blogs.msdn.com/mssmallbiz/archive/2005/09/07/461950.aspx

To quote the blog entry:
"4.1 We grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute an individual
software license only with a fully assembled computer system. A "fully
assembled computer system" means a computer system consisting of at
least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard drive, a power
supply, and a case."

You will notice the loophole that people have been exploiting (the
former language which stated that an OEM desktop Operating System
license could be sold with "non-peripheral hardware,") is no longer in
place. It is now very simple and straightforward: an OEM license must be
sold "only with a fully assembled computer system." Loophole closed.

Also, in section 6. Preinstallation requirement, you will notice it now
states:

"When you distribute an individual software license for a desktop
operating system or application software, you must preinstall it on the
fully assembled computer system’s hard drive using the OEM
Preinstallation Kit ("OPK") provided in this package or otherwise made
available by us. This preinstallation requirement does not apply to
server software."

So in addition to having to sell an OEM Desktop Operating System license
with a fully assembled computer system, it must also be preinstalled on
the fully assembled computer system that it is being sold with. Again,
loophole closed. These same restrictions would also apply to any OEM
Office license as well. OEM Office must be sold with a fully assembled
computer system and must also be preinstalled on the fully assembled
computer system that it is being sold with. OEM Server licenses must
also be sold with a fully assembled computer system; however, the
preinstallation requirement clause does not apply to OEM server licenses
as you can see in section 6 above.

First of all, the last time I purchased an oem xp version there was NO
hardware requirement in place. That was clearly verified in this same ng
at the time it was allowable. Since the time of my purchase, I had only
looked at vista oem versions for sale at newegg. After looking at the
newegg site just now, I see a very clear disclaimer has been added to
the xp oem versions. Although you stated that the xp oem is required to
be purchased with a fully assembled computer, that is not so, as the xp
eom sold by newegg is sold only with the components listed in the
disclaimer (the vista oems for sale contain no such disclaimer):
Disclaimer: Qualifying proof of purchase must be recent receipts showing
the purchase of a mother board, hard drive, RAM and a CPU. The
components can be on multiple receipts; not necessarily all on one
receipt nor on the same receipt as the qualifying Windows XP/Office 2003
that you purchased.
So, I was not aware of the rules change for xp regarding hardware. My
mistake. If one is able to produce receipts and make my purchase, I
still contend that it should not matter type of computer it is installed
on. It would be installed on a fully assembled computer (an apple), on a
clean partition, the same as if one were to actually assemble a computer
for one's own use. Since the computer is for one's own use, and is not
being distributed to anyone, item 4.1 does not seem to pertain. One
should only have to be aware of the limitations of the eula from that
point on. One last question. Where does the opk enter into this
scenario. Does it preclude the use of the oem version for one's personal
use? If so, why does ms allow oems to be sold on the open market for
anyone to purchase if they can meet the newly added (to me) hardware
receipt requirements? (fwiw, I don't recall the opk issue ever being
raised in this ng in previous discussions regarding the hardware
requirements) This whole situation seems to be a new can of worms for
what should be a straight-forward procedure.