Windows XP OEM License

[Guest]

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware with windows
xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this, you have to
get a new license in order to activate( exception using the same
board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS has said also that may
change this oem license exception " in the future ", what will get them to
change this ? if enough winxp oem cd owners , request Microsoft change this,
this will do it and allow migration of winxp to newer differnet circuit
boards ( made for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has several
places where customers may request new features, ect, so they are listening.
Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

What is the source for this incorrect information?
Please cite a Microsoft source.
Also a cite in the applicable EULA would be applicable.

The motherboard is not the determining factor.
Just because some OEMs tie their Windows XP CDs to the motherboards
does not mean that is the determining factor.
Whether a computer is still original is largely up the OEM to
determine.

 

[Guest]

I vote "aye" , to let replacement of mobos( newer different ones) get
activated on line,,,MS needs to development more features- like free virsus
scanner, free download and upload accellerator , ect to swing there new
products to old software owners( I hope longhorn isnt a bum steer)
Rho_1r [VIP]

 

[Guest]

the source is stevenstech.com,,,,,,,,,,,and changing of mobo, the oem license
area
Rho_1r [VIP]

What is the source for this incorrect information?
Please cite a Microsoft source.
Also a cite in the applicable EULA would be applicable.

The motherboard is not the determining factor.
Just because some OEMs tie their Windows XP CDs to the motherboards
does not mean that is the determining factor.
Whether a computer is still original is largely up the OEM to
determine.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware with
windows
xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this, you
have to
get a new license in order to activate( exception using the same
board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS has said also
that may
change this oem license exception " in the future ", what will get
them to
change this ? if enough winxp oem cd owners , request Microsoft
change this,
this will do it and allow migration of winxp to newer differnet
circuit
boards ( made for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has
several
places where customers may request new features, ect, so they are
listening.
Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

 

[Guest]

it is not incorrect, you are sited this place yourself michaelsteventech.com,
you memory is short,,lol,, remember that,,,,,oh yeah, take back your words,
now! and admit your wrong,.
Rho_1r [VIP]

What is the source for this incorrect information?
Please cite a Microsoft source.
Also a cite in the applicable EULA would be applicable.

The motherboard is not the determining factor.
Just because some OEMs tie their Windows XP CDs to the motherboards
does not mean that is the determining factor.
Whether a computer is still original is largely up the OEM to
determine.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware with
windows
xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this, you
have to
get a new license in order to activate( exception using the same
board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS has said also
that may
change this oem license exception " in the future ", what will get
them to
change this ? if enough winxp oem cd owners , request Microsoft
change this,
this will do it and allow migration of winxp to newer differnet
circuit
boards ( made for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has
several
places where customers may request new features, ect, so they are
listening.
Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

 

[Guest]

The eula is there at stevenstech.com and the "CLARIFICATION" read it !

What is the source for this incorrect information?
Please cite a Microsoft source.
Also a cite in the applicable EULA would be applicable.

The motherboard is not the determining factor.
Just because some OEMs tie their Windows XP CDs to the motherboards
does not mean that is the determining factor.
Whether a computer is still original is largely up the OEM to
determine.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware with
windows
xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this, you
have to
get a new license in order to activate( exception using the same
board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS has said also
that may
change this oem license exception " in the future ", what will get
them to
change this ? if enough winxp oem cd owners , request Microsoft
change this,
this will do it and allow migration of winxp to newer differnet
circuit
boards ( made for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has
several
places where customers may request new features, ect, so they are
listening.
Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

 

[Testy]

Jupiter will never admit he is wrong!

Testy

the source is stevenstech.com,,,,,,,,,,,and changing of mobo, the oem
license
area
Rho_1r [VIP]

What is the source for this incorrect information?
Please cite a Microsoft source.
Also a cite in the applicable EULA would be applicable.

The motherboard is not the determining factor.
Just because some OEMs tie their Windows XP CDs to the motherboards
does not mean that is the determining factor.
Whether a computer is still original is largely up the OEM to
determine.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware with
windows
xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this, you
have to
get a new license in order to activate( exception using the same
board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS has said also
that may
change this oem license exception " in the future ", what will get
them to
change this ? if enough winxp oem cd owners , request Microsoft
change this,
this will do it and allow migration of winxp to newer differnet
circuit
boards ( made for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has
several
places where customers may request new features, ect, so they are
listening.
Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

 

[Guest]

you cited this place earlier, yourself !!!! the eula-clarification is there,
you must be
having a memory problem, remember renee post of changing the disk drive with
winxp on it to new bare bones system just today? you cited this same web
site, where the eula and clarification is, and its say a new license for
change of MoBo, the mobo is not excepted,, well,, what do you have to say now
? I'm correct and the info is correct,, yes

The eula is there at stevenstech.com and the "CLARIFICATION" read it !

What is the source for this incorrect information?
Please cite a Microsoft source.
Also a cite in the applicable EULA would be applicable.

The motherboard is not the determining factor.
Just because some OEMs tie their Windows XP CDs to the motherboards
does not mean that is the determining factor.
Whether a computer is still original is largely up the OEM to
determine.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware with
windows
xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this, you
have to
get a new license in order to activate( exception using the same
board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS has said also
that may
change this oem license exception " in the future ", what will get
them to
change this ? if enough winxp oem cd owners , request Microsoft
change this,
this will do it and allow migration of winxp to newer differnet
circuit
boards ( made for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has
several
places where customers may request new features, ect, so they are
listening.
Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

 

[Guest]

there fore as I said before,,,,,comment to MS to change this, they said they
may change this in the future or dont comment its freedom of choice, 1st
however one must know a few facts, read the oem license and clarification on
this site : http://www.michaelsteventech.com

you cited this place earlier, yourself !!!! the eula-clarification is there,
you must be
having a memory problem, remember renee post of changing the disk drive with
winxp on it to new bare bones system just today? you cited this same web
site, where the eula and clarification is, and its say a new license for
change of MoBo, the mobo is not excepted,, well,, what do you have to say now
? I'm correct and the info is correct,, yes

The eula is there at stevenstech.com and the "CLARIFICATION" read it !

What is the source for this incorrect information?
Please cite a Microsoft source.
Also a cite in the applicable EULA would be applicable.

The motherboard is not the determining factor.
Just because some OEMs tie their Windows XP CDs to the motherboards
does not mean that is the determining factor.
Whether a computer is still original is largely up the OEM to
determine.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware with
windows
xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this, you
have to
get a new license in order to activate( exception using the same
board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS has said also
that may
change this oem license exception " in the future ", what will get
them to
change this ? if enough winxp oem cd owners , request Microsoft
change this,
this will do it and allow migration of winxp to newer differnet
circuit
boards ( made for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has
several
places where customers may request new features, ect, so they are
listening.
Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

I also said "Please cite a Microsoft source"
Can you do that?
Something that specifically ties the motherboard to the license as you
said "except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this, you have
to get a new license in order to activate"
Where is a Microsoft reference for that statement?
So far all you have given is your opinion, facts are much better.

"you are sited this place yourself michaelsteventech.com"
I never referred someone to any site for the purpose of proving a
replacement motherboard required a new license.
Referring someone to a particular site is far from agreement with all
points on the site.

Your opinion is notes...and discounted until you back it up with
facts.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

the source is stevenstech.com,,,,,,,,,,,and changing of mobo, the
oem license
area
Rho_1r [VIP]

What is the source for this incorrect information?
Please cite a Microsoft source.
Also a cite in the applicable EULA would be applicable.

The motherboard is not the determining factor.
Just because some OEMs tie their Windows XP CDs to the motherboards
does not mean that is the determining factor.
Whether a computer is still original is largely up the OEM to
determine.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware
with
windows
xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this,
you
have to
get a new license in order to activate( exception using the same
board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS has said
also
that may
change this oem license exception " in the future ", what will
get
them to
change this ? if enough winxp oem cd owners , request Microsoft
change this,
this will do it and allow migration of winxp to newer differnet
circuit
boards ( made for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has
several
places where customers may request new features, ect, so they are
listening.
Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Good for you Testy.
You have run out of facts a while ago so you have to take these cheap
shots as you have been doing lately.

We learn more of your own character all the time.
You should find something productive to boost your ego.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware with
windows xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change
this, you have to get a new license in order to activate( exception
using the same board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS
has said also that may change this oem license exception " in the
future ", what will get them to change this ? if enough winxp oem
cd owners , request Microsoft change this, this will do it and
allow migration of winxp to newer differnet circuit boards ( made
for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has several places
where customers may request new features,
ect, so they are listening. Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

According to the EULA, an OEM license may not be transferred from
one distinct PC to another PC. However, this most emphatically does
not prohibit one from repairing or upgrading the PC on which an OEM
license is installed.

Now, some people believe that the motherboard is the key component
that defines the "original computer," but the OEM EULA does not make
any such distinction. Others have said that one could successfully
argue that it's the PC's case that is the deciding component, as that
is where one is instructed to affix the OEM CoA label w/Product Key.
Again, the EULA does not specifically define any single component as
the computer.

Microsoft has, to date, been very careful _not_ publicly to define
when an incrementally upgraded computer ceases to be the original
computer. The closest I've ever seen a Microsoft employee come to
this definition is to tell the person making the inquiry to consult
the PC's manufacturer. As the OEM license's support is solely the
responsibility of said manufacturer, they should determine what sort
of hardware changes to allow before the warranty and support
agreements are voided. To paraphrase: An incrementally upgraded
computer ceases to be the original computer, as pertains to the OEM
EULA, only when the *OEM* says it's a different computer.

The OEM EULA, which is all that the consumer sees and to which the
consumer must agree, does not bind the OS to any single specific
component, just the entire computer. Remember, it's the EULA - and
nothing else - that is the binding contract between the consumer and
the provider of the OEM license. If Microsoft wishes to define the
motherboard as the computer, they'll have to change the EULA to match.

--

Bruce Chambers

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[Bruce Chambers]

Jupiter will never admit he is wrong!

Testy

I really don't think JJ is wrong on this point. Remember,
consumers are bound only by the OEM EULA, which does *not* link the
license to any single specific component. Consumers can't even see
the instructions that Microsoft provides to its system builders - the
web site is not open to the general public. If Microsoft wants to
define the computer as the motherboard (a patently absurd idea, from a
technical point of view - just try making a motherboard do anything
useful, all by itself), they'll have to rewrite the OEM EULA before
they can reasonably expect any consumer to take this alleged
restriction seriously.

--

Bruce Chambers

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having both at once. - RAH

 

[Michael Stevens]

What is the source for this incorrect information?
Please cite a Microsoft source.
Also a cite in the applicable EULA would be applicable.

The motherboard is not the determining factor.
Just because some OEMs tie their Windows XP CDs to the motherboards
does not mean that is the determining factor.
Whether a computer is still original is largely up the OEM to
determine.

JJ,
The link on my web site is directly from the Microsoft OEM system builders
newsgroups, and according to replies from The Microsoft OEM System Builder
Licensing Team.
This does seem to define the terms of the EULA. The notes are my own.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm
--
Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
(e-mail address removed)
http://michaelstevenstech.com
For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware with
windows
xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this, you
have to
get a new license in order to activate( exception using the same
board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS has said also
that may
change this oem license exception " in the future ", what will get
them to
change this ? if enough winxp oem cd owners , request Microsoft
change this,
this will do it and allow migration of winxp to newer differnet
circuit
boards ( made for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has
several
places where customers may request new features, ect, so they are
listening.
Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

 

[jt3]

I'm not certain I should jump into this, but a question does arise, since MS
*does* allow OEM versions to be sold by computer stores (I have overheard
such salesmen sell a customer an OEM with as little as a hard drive sale to
back it up) this definition seems to me to leave a very shady area--who is
the OEM of my computer, with a Gigabyte MB, an Antec case, a Dell keyboard,
a Seagate SATA and a Hitachi ATA hd, a BFG video card and a Creative sound
card? Me? I'm the one who bought all these parts and put them together.
That seems to make some companies OEMs. Why not me?

Adding a little to the fire...
Joe

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware with
windows xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change
this, you have to get a new license in order to activate( exception
using the same board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS
has said also that may change this oem license exception " in the
future ", what will get them to change this ? if enough winxp oem
cd owners , request Microsoft change this, this will do it and
allow migration of winxp to newer differnet circuit boards ( made
for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has several places
where customers may request new features,
ect, so they are listening. Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

According to the EULA, an OEM license may not be transferred from
one distinct PC to another PC. However, this most emphatically does
not prohibit one from repairing or upgrading the PC on which an OEM
license is installed.

Now, some people believe that the motherboard is the key component
that defines the "original computer," but the OEM EULA does not make
any such distinction. Others have said that one could successfully
argue that it's the PC's case that is the deciding component, as that
is where one is instructed to affix the OEM CoA label w/Product Key.
Again, the EULA does not specifically define any single component as
the computer.

Microsoft has, to date, been very careful _not_ publicly to define
when an incrementally upgraded computer ceases to be the original
computer. The closest I've ever seen a Microsoft employee come to
this definition is to tell the person making the inquiry to consult
the PC's manufacturer. As the OEM license's support is solely the
responsibility of said manufacturer, they should determine what sort
of hardware changes to allow before the warranty and support
agreements are voided. To paraphrase: An incrementally upgraded
computer ceases to be the original computer, as pertains to the OEM
EULA, only when the *OEM* says it's a different computer.

The OEM EULA, which is all that the consumer sees and to which the
consumer must agree, does not bind the OS to any single specific
component, just the entire computer. Remember, it's the EULA - and
nothing else - that is the binding contract between the consumer and
the provider of the OEM license. If Microsoft wishes to define the
motherboard as the computer, they'll have to change the EULA to match.

--

Bruce Chambers

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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Your computer has no OEM.
If you are not a Microsoft System Builder, you are not the OEM.
What you see making some companies OEMs neglects the fact they are
also Microsoft System Builders.

When you buy OEM Windows with just a piece of hardware (power cord is
a common component) you are in a situation Microsoft never intended.
I think if Microsoft had their way, you would not be able to buy it
that way.
But because of demand and loopholes it has happened and seems to be
accepted.
Because of this you are in a kind of "no mans land"
You get no support from Microsoft because it is OEM.
There is not really an OEM, so you get no support from them.
The intent of Microsoft was that the OEM provide support.
The worst legitimate OEM computers get better support than many in
your position.

Most if not all computers can be returned anywhere from 2 weeks to 30
days with minimal trouble.
Try returning OEM Windows even a few hours later.
Usually exchange is only option and Microsoft will not be a part of
it.
Compare that to retail Windows, it can be returned within 30 days
whether it is opened or not (North America).

Think of OEM as being manufactured, sold and supported by the seller
with Microsoft having no part of it.
Since the seller has no real responsibility, that leaves you.

 

[Opinicus]

I'm not certain I should jump into this, but a question
does arise, since MS
*does* allow OEM versions to be sold by computer stores (I
have overheard
such salesmen sell a customer an OEM with as little as a
hard drive sale to
back it up) this definition seems to me to leave a very
shady area--who is
the OEM of my computer, with a Gigabyte MB, an Antec case,
a Dell keyboard,
a Seagate SATA and a Hitachi ATA hd, a BFG video card and
a Creative sound
card? Me? I'm the one who bought all these parts and put
them together.
That seems to make some companies OEMs. Why not me?

I'm in exactly the same situation. (Twice actually since I
built both my computer and my wife's.) I asked a question
similar to yours in this or a related newsgroup and the best
answer I got was that in order to be an OEM one must have
entered into an OEM agreement with Microsoft.

Since I have not, I am legally not an OEM. These computers
therefore don't have OEMs. I guess they're parthenogenetic
or something.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

The reference on your site is hearsay at best since there is no
authoritative source cited.
You even state "The above post was copied from a post from kurttrail
posted to the msnews.microsoft.com newsgroups and is supplied as is."
Since you state "as is" it seems you are distancing yourself from the
information Kurt provided.
It seems more like it is Kurt's interpretation and even you are not
convinced much since you say "as is".

The reference from there "Not convinced" says nothing specifically
about the motherboard.
I looked through the Microsoft site again and did not see anything
specifically stating the motherboard was the determining factor.
Of course there were many pages and I could have missed it.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/

JJ,
The link on my web site is directly from the Microsoft OEM system
builders newsgroups, and according to replies from The Microsoft OEM
System Builder Licensing Team.
This does seem to define the terms of the EULA. The notes are my
own.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm
--
Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
(e-mail address removed)
http://michaelstevenstech.com
For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware
with
windows
xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this, you
have to
get a new license in order to activate( exception using the same
board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS has said also
that may
change this oem license exception " in the future ", what will get
them to
change this ? if enough winxp oem cd owners , request Microsoft
change this,
this will do it and allow migration of winxp to newer differnet
circuit
boards ( made for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has
several
places where customers may request new features, ect, so they are
listening.
Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

 

[Michael Stevens]

The reference on your site is hearsay at best since there is no
authoritative source cited.
You even state "The above post was copied from a post from kurttrail
posted to the msnews.microsoft.com newsgroups and is supplied as is."
Since you state "as is" it seems you are distancing yourself from the
information Kurt provided.
It seems more like it is Kurt's interpretation and even you are not
convinced much since you say "as is".

The reference from there "Not convinced" says nothing specifically
about the motherboard.
I looked through the Microsoft site again and did not see anything
specifically stating the motherboard was the determining factor.
Of course there were many pages and I could have missed it.

I am convinced, and it is not hearsay. I don't always agree with Kurt, but
what reason would he have to post a false reply from The Microsoft OEM
System Builder Licensing Team? I can't think of a reason myself since he is
such a stickler for accuracy.
If you can access this link,
http://communities.microsoft.com/ne...newsgroup=microsoft.communities.oem.licensing
try asking the Microsoft OEM System Builder Licensing Team [ I would
consider this an authoritative source ] what their policy as it pertains to
OEM XP and MB changes. Please post back with the reply if you get one and I
will use it to update my web page.
I posted the information as a service to users of OEM software what they
could expect if they swap motherboards and have to make a phone call
activation. They might just rethink their upgrade purchases.
I am not trying to be difficult, but I posted the source of the article not
as a disclaimer but as a qualifier. The "as is" means this is exactly from
where I obtained the information. If I wanted to distance myself, I would
not have published the web page at all.

--
Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
(e-mail address removed)
http://michaelstevenstech.com

JJ,
The link on my web site is directly from the Microsoft OEM system
builders newsgroups, and according to replies from The Microsoft OEM
System Builder Licensing Team.
This does seem to define the terms of the EULA. The notes are my
own.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm
--
Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
(e-mail address removed)
http://michaelstevenstech.com
For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

After a quick review, Heres whats new, you change all hardware
with
windows
xp oem , except, the circuit board (mobo), if you change this, you
have to
get a new license in order to activate( exception using the same
board-defective replacement, maybe or maybe not), MS has said also
that may
change this oem license exception " in the future ", what will get
them to
change this ? if enough winxp oem cd owners , request Microsoft
change this,
this will do it and allow migration of winxp to newer differnet
circuit
boards ( made for xp that is) Feel free to comment on this MS has
several
places where customers may request new features, ect, so they are
listening.
Rho_1r [VIP] ,,,lol

 

[Bruce Chambers]

I'm not certain I should jump into this, but a question does arise,
since MS *does* allow OEM versions to be sold by computer stores (I
have overheard such salesmen sell a customer an OEM with as little
as a hard drive sale to back it up) this definition seems to me to
leave a very shady area--who is the OEM of my computer, with a
Gigabyte MB, an Antec case, a Dell keyboard, a Seagate SATA and a
Hitachi ATA hd, a BFG video card and a Creative sound card? Me?
I'm the one who bought all these parts and put them together. That
seems to make some companies OEMs. Why not me?

I don't think it's a grey area, at all. In the case you're
describing, you _are_ the OEM.

--

Bruce Chambers

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