Windows XP Malicious Updates

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James Silverton

Just for the record, I installed the latest 5 malicious updates,
which did their usual trick of switching ON the monitoring of my
external USB disc from my setting of OFF. I don't suppose
they'll ever learn how to install updates properly.


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "James Silverton" <[email protected]>

| Just for the record, I installed the latest 5 malicious updates,
| which did their usual trick of switching ON the monitoring of my
| external USB disc from my setting of OFF. I don't suppose
| they'll ever learn how to install updates properly.
|
| James Silverton
| Potomac, Maryland
|
| E-mail, with obvious alterations:
| not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

If you are talking about the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (MRT) you do NOT know
what you are talking about.
 
F

FeMaster

James Silverton said:
Just for the record, I installed the latest 5 malicious updates, which did
their usual trick of switching ON the monitoring of my external USB disc
from my setting of OFF. I don't suppose they'll ever learn how to install
updates properly.


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

I installed all updates, with no ill effect to the "monitoring" (assuming
you mean System Restore) status of my USB HD. All remain "Turned Off."
There must be something screwy with your system, as I've NEVER had the
problem you speak of...
 
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James Silverton

FeMaster said:
I installed all updates, with no ill effect to the
"monitoring" (assuming you mean System Restore) status of my
USB HD. All remain "Turned Off." There must be something
screwy with your system, as I've NEVER had the problem you
speak of...

Perhaps I needed to be a little more explicit about "monitoring"
but the only Windows system use of the word (that I know of) is
in the Restore settings and those are what I was talking about.
My updating settings are to allow download but to choose when to
install. My normal settings for restore monitoring are to only
turn it ON for the system disc, in this case D: and OFF for all
other discs or partitions.

Anyway, if there is a solution to my problems with updating I'd
like to track it down. As long as I remember, when I allowed the
installation of updates, a number of large temporary files were
written to the last named disc, in my case the external USB disc
G:. If a reboot was needed it invariably failed, perhaps by
attempting to use those files. My BIOS does *not* have booting
from an external USB disc as an option.The only solution to the
problem that I have been able to find is to demount the USB disc
before allowing installation. The reboot reconnects the USB disc
but turns the Restore monitoring status of the disc to ON.
That's why I think of the updating process as "malicious", to
use Microsoft's word :)

If there is some setting that needs changing, I'd certainly like
know about it or perhaps get a pointer to information on the
subject. I have mentioned this problem in the past but this is
the first time I have had any responses.

Thanks in advance,

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
 
P

Poprivet

James said:
Just for the record, I installed the latest 5 malicious updates,
which did their usual trick of switching ON the monitoring of my
external USB disc from my setting of OFF. I don't suppose
they'll ever learn how to install updates properly.


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Just for the record still, they must be singling you out because they aren't
doing that to me or anyone else I know of or have ever heard of. I know fer
sure it can't possibly be that you don't know what you're talking about, so
it must mean you've been singled out for special treatment.

At least this is one thread I don't need to read any further on.

Pop`
 
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James Silverton

Poprivet wrote on Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:11:25 -0400:

P> James Silverton wrote:
??>> Just for the record, I installed the latest 5 malicious
??>> updates, which did their usual trick of switching ON the
??>> monitoring of my external USB disc from my setting of OFF.
??>> I don't suppose they'll ever learn how to install updates
??>> properly.
??>>
??>> James Silverton
??>> Potomac, Maryland
??>>
??>> E-mail, with obvious alterations:
??>> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

P> Just for the record still, they must be singling you out
P> because they aren't doing that to me or anyone else I know
P> of or have ever heard of. I know fer sure it can't possibly
P> be that you don't know what you're talking about, so it must
P> mean you've been singled out for special treatment.

P> At least this is one thread I don't need to read any further
P> on.

Quite possibly, but it might be useful and helpful to me if you
*would* read my later post about the details!

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "James Silverton" <[email protected]>


|
| Quite possibly, but it might be useful and helpful to me if you
| *would* read my later post about the details!
|
| James Silverton
| Potomac, Maryland
|
| E-mail, with obvious alterations:
| not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Later post ?

If it had to do with the subject matter of the thread YOU created then that information
should have been posted in this thread, not somewhere else.

Interestgly, I can't find another post.
 
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James Silverton

David wrote to James Silverton on Thu, 14 Jun 2007
19:52:05 -0400:

??|> Quite possibly, but it might be useful and helpful to me
??|> if you *would* read my later post about the details!
??|>
??|> James Silverton
??|> Potomac, Maryland
??|>
??|> E-mail, with obvious alterations:
??|> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

DHL> Later post ?

DHL> If it had to do with the subject matter of the thread YOU
DHL> created then that information should have been posted in
DHL> this thread, not somewhere else.

DHL> Interestgly, I can't find another post.

Hi! Under "Widows XP Malicious Updates", my first post was on
6/13/07 and there were two more on 6/14/07. The one with my time
of 11:25 AM gives the details of my usual problems with updates.
That is not the one that I think you are responding to.

Best wishes!

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "James Silverton" <[email protected]>

..
|
| Hi! Under "Widows XP Malicious Updates", my first post was on
| 6/13/07 and there were two more on 6/14/07. The one with my time
| of 11:25 AM gives the details of my usual problems with updates.
| That is not the one that I think you are responding to.
|
| Best wishes!
|
| James Silverton
| Potomac, Maryland
|
| E-mail, with obvious alterations:
| not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Interestinly NO post was found on the Microsoft News Server ( msnews.microsoft.com ) and I
must assume that the content filter got the post or was summarily removed for some unknown
reason because I DID find said post on the Verizon News Server ( news.verizon.net ). As far
as I can tell is that you posted on the MS News server. Hmmmmmmmmmmm......

Anyway the following was what I found on the Verizon News Server. ( I hope this post won't
now get caught by the Microsoft centent filter )...


| Perhaps I needed to be a little more explicit about "monitoring"
| but the only Windows system use of the word (that I know of) is
| in the Restore settings and those are what I was talking about.
| My updating settings are to allow download but to choose when to
| install. My normal settings for restore monitoring are to only
| turn it ON for the system disc, in this case D: and OFF for all
| other discs or partitions.
|
| Anyway, if there is a solution to my problems with updating I'd
| like to track it down. As long as I remember, when I allowed the
| installation of updates, a number of large temporary files were
| written to the last named disc, in my case the external USB disc
| G:. If a reboot was needed it invariably failed, perhaps by
| attempting to use those files. My BIOS does *not* have booting
| from an external USB disc as an option.The only solution to the
| problem that I have been able to find is to demount the USB disc
| before allowing installation. The reboot reconnects the USB disc
| but turns the Restore monitoring status of the disc to ON.
| That's why I think of the updating process as "malicious", to
| use Microsoft's word :)
|
| If there is some setting that needs changing, I'd certainly like
| know about it or perhaps get a pointer to information on the
| subject. I have mentioned this problem in the past but this is
| the first time I have had any responses.
|
| Thanks in advance,
|
| James Silverton
| Potomac, Maryland

OK. Your terminology is way off and your original post lacked facts.
There is nothing "malicious" about the updating process.

Microsoft does use the drive with the MOST free space as the location to temporarily store
and execute Windows Updates.

For one thing WinXP does NOT support loading the OS from a USB Flash drive.

I suggest you do NOT tweak the settings for the System Restore cache other than the capacity
of the cache.
 
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James Silverton

David wrote to James Silverton on Thu, 14 Jun 2007
20:54:07 -0400:

DHL> .
??|>
??|> Hi! Under "Widows XP Malicious Updates", my first post was
??|> on 6/13/07 and there were two more on 6/14/07. The one
??|> with my time of 11:25 AM gives the details of my usual
??|> problems with updates. That is not the one that I think
??|> you are responding to.
??|>
??|> Best wishes!
??|>
??|> James Silverton
??|> Potomac, Maryland
??|>

DHL> OK. Your terminology is way off and your original post
DHL> lacked facts. There is nothing "malicious" about the
DHL> updating process.

Microsoft has not patented the word "malicious" and, IMHO,
that's just what the process is! :) At very least, despite
attempting for months to get some sort of response, "malicious"
did it! In previous posts I had given more details.

DHL> Microsoft does use the drive with the MOST free space as
DHL> the location to temporarily store and execute Windows
DHL> Updates.

As it does not seem to able to do that, it is probably the
source of the problem.

DHL> For one thing WinXP does NOT support loading the OS from a
DHL> USB Flash drive.

DHL> I suggest you do NOT tweak the settings for the System
DHL> Restore cache other than the capacity of the cache.

I'd be grateful if you could expand the last statement since I
do not understand the role of the cache in this updating process
nor was I aware that I had changed the system in any way.. The
external disc is not a flash drive but an 80meg USB disc that is
my backup device and there are also 104 meg of free space in the
D: (system) partition.

My current method for applying updates is to demount the
external USB, using the Windows "safely remove hardware"
process, apply the updates, reboot and turn off the monitoring
of the external disc that invariably is set. Tedious but it does
work.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "James Silverton" <[email protected]>

| David wrote to James Silverton on Thu, 14 Jun 2007
| 20:54:07 -0400:
|
DHL>> .
??|>>
??|>> Hi! Under "Widows XP Malicious Updates", my first post was
??|>> on 6/13/07 and there were two more on 6/14/07. The one
??|>> with my time of 11:25 AM gives the details of my usual
??|>> problems with updates. That is not the one that I think
??|>> you are responding to.
??|>>
??|>> Best wishes!
??|>>
??|>> James Silverton
??|>> Potomac, Maryland
??|>>
DHL>> OK. Your terminology is way off and your original post
DHL>> lacked facts. There is nothing "malicious" about the
DHL>> updating process.
|
| Microsoft has not patented the word "malicious" and, IMHO,
| that's just what the process is! :) At very least, despite
| attempting for months to get some sort of response, "malicious"
| did it! In previous posts I had given more details.
|
DHL>> Microsoft does use the drive with the MOST free space as
DHL>> the location to temporarily store and execute Windows
DHL>> Updates.
|
| As it does not seem to able to do that, it is probably the
| source of the problem.
|
DHL>> For one thing WinXP does NOT support loading the OS from a
DHL>> USB Flash drive.
|
DHL>> I suggest you do NOT tweak the settings for the System
DHL>> Restore cache other than the capacity of the cache.
|
| I'd be grateful if you could expand the last statement since I
| do not understand the role of the cache in this updating process
| nor was I aware that I had changed the system in any way.. The
| external disc is not a flash drive but an 80meg USB disc that is
| my backup device and there are also 104 meg of free space in the
| D: (system) partition.
|
| My current method for applying updates is to demount the
| external USB, using the Windows "safely remove hardware"
| process, apply the updates, reboot and turn off the monitoring
| of the external disc that invariably is set. Tedious but it does
| work.
|
| James Silverton
| Potomac, Maryland
|
| E-mail, with obvious alterations:
| not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Malicious has a fixed context. MAL - bad. This to be malicious it has to be a process
whose intent confers a deliberate negative consequence.

The term malicious is inappropriate. The Windows Update process in itself is the the exact
opposite of malicious. It is positive in the fact it is designed to take a sytem known to
have insecurities and attempt to make it more secure. Making a system safer and more
secuire can NOT be seemed malicious.

OK. So the drive is a mechanical hard disk in an enclosure that uses USB as an interface to
the PC. It may not be a Flash Drive but for the sense of this discussion, it makes no
difference.

I reread your original post. I now see based upon your replies adn the increased
ingformation that your original post was very bad. You inferred that you received 5 new
Windows Updates and you called these updates malicious. In no way were they malicious and
you assumed that someone would read you post and think the way you did. Sorry, no.

I also don't understand your problem in the original post nor your replies. Many people use
external drives and install Windows Updates with no sequalae. I don't understand why you
should have a problem.

BTW: I do applaud your use of Fidolook although I suggest you update it.
The latest version of Fidolook is...

FL-Build: Fidolook 2006 Xmas Edition (HL) 6.0.2800.95 - 10/2/2007 21:04:35
 
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James Silverton

David wrote to James Silverton on Thu, 14 Jun 2007
22:37:12 -0400:

??|> David wrote to James Silverton on Thu, 14 Jun 2007
??|> 20:54:07 -0400:
??|>
DHL> I also don't understand your problem in the original post
DHL> nor your replies. Many people use external drives and
DHL> install Windows Updates with no sequalae. I don't
DHL> understand why you should have a problem.

DHL> BTW: I do applaud your use of Fidolook although I suggest
DHL> you update it. The latest version of Fidolook is...

DHL> FL-Build: Fidolook 2006 Xmas Edition (HL) 6.0.2800.95 -
10/2/2007
DHL> 21:04:35

Thanks for the pointer to the new version of FidoLook!

i suppose that the old saying "Never attribute to malice what
can blamed on stupidity" applies but I promise not to say
anything more about MS and malice [tho' muttering away quietly
about arrogation of words:) ] The word did its job in evoking
a response but no-one has suggested yet what could make my
system different! I wonder if someone can tell me where to look
for information? I did numerous Google searches in the past but
without result. The fact that others succeed is not particularly
helpful. I was pretty well convinced that Windows was trying to
use the large binary files in the reboot process and I wonder
why it would write them to the external disc if it can't use
them?

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
 
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James Silverton

David wrote to James Silverton on Thu, 14 Jun 2007
22:37:12 -0400:

DHL> BTW: I do applaud your use of Fidolook although I suggest
DHL> you update it. The latest version of Fidolook is...

DHL> FL-Build: Fidolook 2006 Xmas Edition (HL) 6.0.2800.95 -
10/2/2007
DHL> 21:04:35

Can you tell me how to get that download please? I don't seem to
be able to find it at http://www.fidolook.org/

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
 
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James Silverton

David wrote to James Silverton on Fri, 15 Jun 2007
17:31:01 -0400:

??|> Can you tell me how to get that download please? I don't
??|> seem to be able to find it at http://www.fidolook.org/
??|>
??|> James Silverton
??|> Potomac, Maryland
??|>
??|> E-mail, with obvious alterations:
??|> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

DHL> http://www.fidolook.org/download.php?get=fl_beta_sfx

Thank you again. I think I have installed it successfully.
Again, another possibly stupid question, but where can I find
out about the newer features?

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
 
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James Silverton

David wrote to James Silverton on Fri, 15 Jun 2007
21:46:51 -0400:

DHL>>> http://www.fidolook.org/download.php?get=fl_beta_sfx
??|>
??|> Thank you again. I think I have installed it successfully.
??|> Again, another possibly stupid question, but where can I
??|> find out about the newer features?
??|>
??|> James Silverton
??|> Potomac, Maryland
??|>
??|> E-mail, with obvious alterations:
??|> not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

DHL> news://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.fidolook

Thanks for the advice but I was hoping for a summary. It's not
the most active of groups; I even saw some of my old posts there
:)

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
 
Z

Zilbandy

Perhaps I needed to be a little more explicit about "monitoring"
but the only Windows system use of the word (that I know of) is
in the Restore settings and those are what I was talking about.
My updating settings are to allow download but to choose when to
install. My normal settings for restore monitoring are to only
turn it ON for the system disc, in this case D: and OFF for all
other discs or partitions.

I just downloaded and installed the latest 5 'critical' updates and
they did not mess with my system restore settings. I monitor c: drive
and have it turned off for d: and e:. After the updates and rebooting,
my restore settings remain on for c: and off for d: and e:.
 
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Zilbandy

This reply is off topic to the OP, but I've noticed that in one reply,
you used standard reply protocols for replying to a Usenet post, and
then with this last post, you went back to your 'non-standard' method
of replying. In the 30 some groups I follow, you are the ONLY ONE to
use this bastardized style of posting. Why not just do it the
preferred way to begin with? I know... I've mentioned this before blah
blah blah, and you've told me it's some 'standard' way of doing it
blah blah blah. I apologize for bringing it up again, but just for a
minute, I thought you had gone back to normal.
 
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James Silverton

Zilbandy wrote on Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:50:27 -0700:

??>> Perhaps I needed to be a little more explicit about
??>> "monitoring" but the only Windows system use of the word
??>> (that I know of) is in the Restore settings and those are
??>> what I was talking about. My updating settings are to
??>> allow download but to choose when to install. My normal
??>> settings for restore monitoring are to only turn it ON for
??>> the system disc, in this case D: and OFF for all other
??>> discs or partitions.

Z> I just downloaded and installed the latest 5 'critical'
Z> updates and they did not mess with my system restore
Z> settings. I monitor c: drive and have it turned off for d:
Z> and e:. After the updates and rebooting, my restore settings
Z> remain on for c: and off for d: and e:.

It is doubtless gratifying that you were able to install the
latest updates without problems. The problem I have and I have
mentioned before is that Windows writes large binary files to my
last named disc and does not seem to be able to use them when it
reboots during the update process. Thus I have to turn off the
USB backup disc that is the last one in the chain. During the
reboot, the disc is remounted with the monitoring status changed
to ON which presumably is a default. If there is some setting
that would prevent the use of the USB disc, I'd like to know it.
I don't care whose "fault" it is and I acknowledge that it may
be some mistake I made in the past.

To also consider another topic you have raised concerning
quoting, I am using FidoLook, an add-in to OE, and I am not the
only one to do so. FidoLook can have problems in quoting
top-posted messages lacking a signature like your second one and
it is sometimes necessary to use standard OE. Thus, in that
case, the quoting style will be mixed. But what the heck does it
matter?

I'd be grateful if you would tell me if this FidoLook reply
meets what you think are standards so that I can post details to
the FidoLook discussion group.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
 

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