Windows XP Issue (Activation) III

[kurttrail]

Nice of you to make an ass out of your self again - making $hit up.
The non-OEM install of a operating system does not void the warranty
on a computer, it only voids support for the non-OEM software
installed. I would have expected that you already knew this - you try
and present that you're wise in these areas.

Now the truth comes out! You didn't use OEM XP to get support. You got
support on either the Retail or VL media you replaced the OEM media
with!

After checking with IBM support and MS Activation, we were told that
there would be no issues or problems (since we used the downloaded
IBM drivers).

You should get out more and learn about the REAL WORLD and how things
like computers work.

But it got the truth out of you!

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[kurttrail]

IBM and HP/Compaq both seem to like not to provide disks. With these
and some Dell systems I have worked on if you give MS the key number
they will activate you OEM version of Windows. The OP did it wrong
and all of Terry's and Kurts ranting won't change that. Nor will they
change the reality on product activation, it's there, it's the rule,
deal with it.

The only person that has the right to pass judgement on whether the OP
was right or wrong is his mother. She is the one that didn't have to
buy a new computer, or have to wait around for parts until she could use
her computer again!


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[Leythos]

Now the truth comes out! You didn't use OEM XP to get support. You got
support on either the Retail or VL media you replaced the OEM media
with!

There was no deception you dolt, I never suggested anything of any type.
Only that the OP didn't do anything through proper channels - something
you have failed to justify at any point in this long thread.

As it appears, since you can't refute my statement, you have to divert
from it so that you don't have to admit you're wrong. Suck it up little
troll, you've been busted big time.

When you can stay on subject come back and play.

 

[kurttrail]

There was no deception you dolt, I never suggested anything of any
type. Only that the OP didn't do anything through proper channels -
something you have failed to justify at any point in this long thread.

As it appears, since you can't refute my statement, you have to divert
from it so that you don't have to admit you're wrong. Suck it up
little troll, you've been busted big time.

When you can stay on subject come back and play.

You suggested that MS took a support call about OEM media, when it was
the other media they took the call and answered your questions about!

MS does not answer questions nor support OEM Media, and to suggest that
they do is pure deception!

http://groups-beta.google.com/group...981&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=2&as_maxy=2005&safe=off

"Standard no-charge support covers most Microsoft products. If your
Microsoft product was preinstalled, distributed with your computer, or
if you obtained an upgrade directly from your computer manufacturer,
your primary source for support is the personal computer manufacturer
who provided your Microsoft software. Please check the documentation
that came with your personal computer for information on how to contact
them for support or see our alphabetical listing of computer
manufacturers below." -
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/support/webresponse/pid/oem.asp

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[Guest]

You really are a simpleton aren't you. Listen, there is a "Right" and a
"Wrong" way to do just about anything. In this case "wrong" is violating the
EULA. There is no argument, he said he did it that makes it wrong. Doesn't
matter if his mom or you for that matter think otherwise. What a troll.

 

[Leythos]

You really are a simpleton aren't you. Listen, there is a "Right" and a
"Wrong" way to do just about anything. In this case "wrong" is violating the
EULA. There is no argument, he said he did it that makes it wrong. Doesn't
matter if his mom or you for that matter think otherwise. What a troll.

Mike, after I gave up and decided that he's just a troll and PLONKED him
I've seen a remarkable decrease in BS being posted here. I'm reading this
from a Linux box on my Windows Networks using a product called PAN and the
plonk functions works perfectly - I set it for 30 days on him and his
brother.

 

[kurttrail]

You really are a simpleton aren't you. Listen, there is a "Right" and
a "Wrong" way to do just about anything.

Which in most cases is totally subjective

In this case "wrong" is
violating the EULA.

Prove it. Just because you or Microsoft CLAIMS it is, doesn't mean it
really is.

SCO is suing IBM for violating the UNIX licensing agreement. Has IBM
violated it before a court rules it has, just because SCO claims it? If
so, why have a trial at all?

There is no argument, he said he did it that
makes it wrong.

Guilty until proven innocent! What are you, French?

Doesn't matter if his mom or you for that matter
think otherwise. What a troll.

Whatever.

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[FUD]

Mike, after I gave up and decided that he's just a troll and PLONKED
him I've seen a remarkable decrease in BS being posted here. I'm
reading this from a Linux box on my Windows Networks using a product
called PAN and the plonk functions works perfectly - I set it for 30
days on him and his brother.

DO IT PERMANENTLY! Weasles like you need to hide themselves for
reality!

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[Frank]

Not on MS's website, but there has been plenty of press over it, with
security analysts generally saying it's not a very good idea.

Oh...so this just speculation at this point in time?
Frank

 

[kurttrail]

Oh...so this just speculation at this point in time?
Frank

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Windows+Validation+&btnG=Search+News

It's not speculation. MS employees are quote all over the press about
mandatory Validation.

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[kurttrail]

Oh...so this just speculation at this point in time?
Frank

Just found this:

"In the second half of 2005, visitors to the Microsoft Download Center
(http://www.microsoft.com/downloads) and Windows Update
(http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v5consumer) will be required to
participate in Windows Genuine Advantage to access all content. To help
customers who may require more time to move to genuine Windows software,
Microsoft is offering security updates through Automatic Updates in
Windows, with or without Windows Genuine Advantage validation." -
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/jan05/01-26GenuineAdvantagePR.asp

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[Bruce Chambers]

Bruce;
Not really, since there is nothing of technical relevance or value on that
site.
Obviously the site owner agrees as is evidence by the statement "This is a
Parody!" at the bottom of the page.

Probably place on the page to keep the site legal.
But as honest as the fine print on page 42 of a contract by a less than
honest businessman.

Since the owner does not value the information, no one else should.

A point. But the uninitiated who stumbles across the site without
noticing the disclaimer might take him serious. Naw.... On second
thought, no one but Kurttrail could possibly take Kurttrail seriously.
The rationalizations are too obviously intended to be absurd.


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[kurttrail]

A point. But the uninitiated who stumbles across the site without
noticing the disclaimer might take him serious. Naw.... On second
thought, no one but Kurttrail could possibly take Kurttrail seriously.
The rationalizations are too obviously intended to be absurd.

They are some among your fellow MVPs that think me quite rational. And
obviously you don't know what I mean by "Parody."

"A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of
an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule."

My site is just that. I imitated the characteristic style of MS's web
site (as it looked like last year) for the purpose of ridiculing MS
Product Activation Bullsh*t.

Just because my site is a parody of MS's site, doesn't mean my criticism
of MS's EULA and Product Activation policies are any less valid. And
only a fool would ASSUME that just because my site is a parody of MS's,
invalidates the ideas expressed on my web site.

See ya', fools!

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[Woody]

<Naw.... On second
thought, no one but Kurttrail could possibly take Kurttrail seriously.>

ya know bruce , you might think that . i started coming here just after xp
was released and i built a new computer that i installed it on . with all
the microsoft dweebs spouting the MS twaddle , i found kurt's viewpoint a
refreshing change and whether you like it or not i could care less . this IS
a board for the GENERAL discussion of win xp and if you dont care to hear
differing viewpoints than yours , then go somewhere else . please feel free
to call me a troll too or whatever .

hey have a nice day ;-)

 

[Alias]

| <Naw.... On second
| thought, no one but Kurttrail could possibly take Kurttrail seriously.>
|
| ya know bruce , you might think that . i started coming here just after xp
| was released and i built a new computer that i installed it on . with all
| the microsoft dweebs spouting the MS twaddle , i found kurt's viewpoint a
| refreshing change and whether you like it or not i could care less . this
IS
| a board for the GENERAL discussion of win xp and if you dont care to hear
| differing viewpoints than yours , then go somewhere else . please feel
free
| to call me a troll too or whatever .
|
| hey have a nice day ;-)

I agree with Woody. Kurtis' views are refreshing compared to the "MS said
it. I believe it and that settles it" toadyism of some of the MVPs.

 

[Leythos]

I agree with Woody. Kurtis' views are refreshing compared to the "MS said
it. I believe it and that settles it" toadyism of some of the MVPs.

I've been on Usenet since the early 80's and find that Kurt and the people
like him are what we call Trolls. They have a point, but, once they've
said it they can't stop and they never address the facts part of a issue,
they always divert from the issue when backed into a corner. That's why I
plonked his main posting ID.

The only valid part of anything that he's posted is that Users can install
Win XP more than once and get away with it until MS does something to home
user pirates.

The vendors license is clear, and so is the section of TITLE that he
spouts - one install per license, backup copies are permitted as long as
they are only used for backup of the media, not to be installed at the
same time on any other computer/system.

What his diatribe comes down to is that he doesn't like a vendor forcing
him to have to pay for software beyond the first copy and he will make
sure that everyone knows they can pirate additional copies even if it
violates the license agreement. In reality he's just advocating simple
theft, as use without purchase or approval by the vendor takes money from
the vendor and is theft to most reasonable people in the world.

If you want refreshing, switch to another OS where you are not limited by
a restrictive EULA.

If you read the EULA and even look at Kurts posting of that Title, it's
clear that installing unlicensed copies is a direct violation of the
vendors EULA. I see no difference in his willful disregard violation of a
MS EULA and any other vendors EULA.

 

[Alias]

| On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:29:55 +0100, Alias wrote:
| > I agree with Woody. Kurtis' views are refreshing compared to the "MS
said
| > it. I believe it and that settles it" toadyism of some of the MVPs.
|
| I've been on Usenet since the early 80's and find that Kurt and the people
| like him are what we call Trolls. They have a point, but, once they've
| said it they can't stop and they never address the facts part of a issue,
| they always divert from the issue when backed into a corner. That's why I
| plonked his main posting ID.
|
| The only valid part of anything that he's posted is that Users can install
| Win XP more than once and get away with it until MS does something to home
| user pirates.
|
| The vendors license is clear, and so is the section of TITLE that he
| spouts - one install per license, backup copies are permitted as long as
| they are only used for backup of the media, not to be installed at the
| same time on any other computer/system.
|
| What his diatribe comes down to is that he doesn't like a vendor forcing
| him to have to pay for software beyond the first copy and he will make
| sure that everyone knows they can pirate additional copies even if it
| violates the license agreement. In reality he's just advocating simple
| theft, as use without purchase or approval by the vendor takes money from
| the vendor and is theft to most reasonable people in the world.
|
| If you want refreshing, switch to another OS where you are not limited by
| a restrictive EULA.
|
| If you read the EULA and even look at Kurts posting of that Title, it's
| clear that installing unlicensed copies is a direct violation of the
| vendors EULA. I see no difference in his willful disregard violation of a
| MS EULA and any other vendors EULA.

That still doesn't make the EULA any less of a scam. Tombraider, for
example, has no EULA, can be installed on as many computers as you like and
is one of the most successful games to ever hit the market. Same for Diablo
and Doom. If games, which are not bought by nearly as many people as an OS
can be successful without the EULA scam, why can't Microsoft? Greed? That
said, I only install legit OSs and software on my computers even though I
don't agree with the EULA.

The Mini Mac is looking better and better, however, what with MS' OSs having
to have four or five anti spyware programs, anti browser/BHO hijack
programs, a good, updated AV program, needing to delete the Java cache (I
wonder how many people get the JavaByte virus, run their anti virus, nothing
comes up, and they mistakenly think they've gotten rid of it?), Temporary
Internet cache, defragging, etc, etc. I will wait for Jaguar, though, as I
hear it is a killer OS and makes XP look like some kindergarden kid wrote
it. For example, I hear the desktop will be a cube that you can rotate and,
in effect, have four desktops. Do you think Longhorn will have that feature?

As far as Kurtis being a troll, I suspect you say that because he disagrees
with you. He is, however, giving voice for a lot of people that agree with
him and he therefore serves a good purpose of telling the "rest of the
story".

 

[Greg R]

My site is just that. I imitated the characteristic style of MS's web
site (as it looked like last year) for the purpose of ridiculing MS
Product Activation

You don't need to use bad words to get your point across

I am actual surprised your host would allow bad words.

Actual I would like to know who your host is. So, I could a set up a
listing of all possible bad software. Since your host is not picky
it would allow me to include all software including software from the
x sights. Where most people get the bad software from.

Greg R




Greg R

 

[Greg R]

If you read the EULA and even look at Kurts posting of that Title, it's
clear that installing unlicensed copies is a direct violation of the
vendors EULA. I see no difference in his willful disregard violation of a
MS EULA and any other vendors EULA.

Yes, I believe Microsoft has a right to prevent or restrict people
form using the oses on more than one machine.


I do believe Activation and Genuine windows advantage is an
inconvenience . That have improved the activation problem with xp
sp2


I do need to correct you on a point. The enforcement of the eula for
consumers have not be proven yet.


Kurt claim of the Fair Use.
If only part may be used. If that is actual the case. He could only
half install windows on other computers. I would like to seen him try
½ even ¼ install of xp. I wish there was a custom install of xp.

I am surprised he is spending money on his website instead of
challenge the eula in court if he feels that strong about it.

I mean no derogatory comments toward Microsofts or Kurt. These are
just my opinions

Greg R

 

[kurttrail]

I've been on Usenet since the early 80's and find that Kurt and the
people like him are what we call Trolls. They have a point, but, once
they've said it they can't stop and they never address the facts part
of a issue, they always divert from the issue when backed into a
corner. That's why I plonked his main posting ID.

The only valid part of anything that he's posted is that Users can
install Win XP more than once and get away with it until MS does
something to home user pirates.

The vendors license is clear, and so is the section of TITLE that he
spouts - one install per license,

It says no such thing

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117: Limitations on exclusive rights:
Computer programs
(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy.

How does a law that allows ADDITIONAL Adaptations/Installations say
anything one install per license. Hell, it doesn't even mention
"license" at all.

backup copies are permitted as long
as they are only used for backup of the media, not to be installed at
the same time on any other computer/system.

What his diatribe comes down to is that he doesn't like a vendor
forcing him to have to pay for software beyond the first copy and he
will make sure that everyone knows they can pirate additional copies
even if it violates the license agreement. In reality he's just
advocating simple theft, as use without purchase or approval by the
vendor takes money from the vendor and is theft to most reasonable
people in the world.

If you want refreshing, switch to another OS where you are not
limited by a restrictive EULA.

If you read the EULA and even look at Kurts posting of that Title,
it's clear that installing unlicensed copies is a direct violation of
the vendors EULA. I see no difference in his willful disregard
violation of a MS EULA and any other vendors EULA.

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117 Is a limitation on the rights of the
software copyright owner, and a protection from infringement of the
owner of a copy of software. Saying that it doesn't allow installing
additional copies is a pure perversion of it's meaning!

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