Windows XP 64-bit and Longhorn

[Armand Hammer]

Are you retarded? Because I think even the average retard would grasp the
concept. You cannot say old dates are invalid because time has proven them
to be invalid but the same people that are giving the new dates are right
this time. Fact is Longhorn will not ship until 2007 and nothing you say
will change that. Best thing is this little exchange will remain for ever
on the web as a testemant to your ignorance.

When they made comments at anytime in the past they were just as relevant
as comments made today and tommorrow.

The point you are missing is that any comment is only as good as the
information behind it. A comment made 2 years ago about a projected
product that had not a line of code written for it and was just a
whiteboard exercise is not as strong as one made with the full project
underway, thousand of developers coding millions of lines of code for a
product that is almost Beta 1 ready and in use on hundreds of machines
everyday.

Only time will tell what will happen to any comment made. My point is,
if they could be so off in previously made comments, how can we accept
current comments at face value?

See my point above

This is what you cannot understand. Mark my works. Longhorn will not
ship next year(I will put out one qualifier and that it will not ship out
with out a dramatic removal of features).

I'm sorry but you and your source are not in pocession of all the facts
and aware of the full picture to make such a statement. I am.
Also since you are not aware of the previous planned feature list you are
no position to say we will cut features - in fact we already have in the
case of WinFS etc.

Keep in mind, my source is unavailable and my info today is off of a
quick websearch.

Unless your resource is one of the lead Windows "Longhorn" program
managers or Bryan Valentine then (s)he is not relevant or authoritative.
(If your source is another Microsoft employee please name them and I will
gladly speak to them to make them aware of the facts they evidently are
not aware of.)

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Regards,

Mike
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When they made comments at anytime in the past they were just as relevant
as comments made today and tommorrow. Only time will tell what will
happen to any comment made. My point is, if they could be so off in
previously made comments, how can we accept current comments at face
value? This is what you cannot understand. Mark my works. Longhorn
will not ship next year(I will put out one qualifier and that it will not
ship out with out a dramatic removal of features).

Keep in mind, my source is unavailable and my info today is off of a
quick websearch.


Here is another quote from WinHEC 2002:

Mike Toutonghi, corporate vice president of the Windows eHome Division,
was a little more specific about both the Longhorn timeline and the
features we can expect in the release. Toutonghi delivered his comments
during a Tuesday morning session about new media opportunities and
challenges in the connected home. "Longhorn will ship in the second half
of 2004," Toutonghi said. "It will deliver the next generation of
communications and collaboration experiences, streaming audio/video [A/V]
functionality, integrated device connectivity, simplified networking, and
tools to help Microsoft deliver on our promise of the connected home."

You confidence is very false. Check these references out:

1. During his WinHEC keynote address on May 7, 2003, Will Poole, the
Senior Vice President of the Windows Client Division at Microsoft,
revealed the roadmap for longhorn, setting the final release date of
the product firmly in 2005, two years from now.


Comments made 2 years ago are no longer relevant the Longhorn project
has changed radically since then and is now much more further advanced -
so we can be more definite on our plans and shipping time frames.

2. In 2004, the long-awaited Longhorn beta will finally kick off. "Over
the course of 2004 you'll see a couple of releases in the betas for
Longhorn," Poole noted, and his presentation specifically mentions
Longhorn Beta 1 and Longhorn Beta 2 occurring in 2004. This scheduled
was corroborated at Microsoft's annual Financial Analysts Meeting in
July 2003.


Again 2 years ago - plans change in the extremely early stages of
development. We are now much closer to the final feature set and code
is well under way - Beta 1 is getting very close then onwards to Beta 2
a number of Release Candidates then RTM.
It may not look like it from the outside but working where an I do and
with the information I see, 2006 is a good bet for RTM

3. http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_winhec_07.png

Now granted I haven't heard back from my source as he is away, but even
some basic web searches alread indicate Longhorn is at least a year
behind. I have shown that one should not have confidence in Microsofts
dates, what have you proven?


A year behind what ? Yes plans change again citing comment made 2 years
ago are no longer relevant - the product was still on the drawing
board - where we are now the picture is clear and the path laid out -
being able to run the code every day on your PC is a world away from
talk, plans and whiteboards full of ideas.
This is the nature of massive software development projects - lots of
shift and change at the front end then as you progress you can be firmer
and firmer on dates, features etc.

I really don't need to prove anything as my only evidence is internal
Microsoft confidential project plans, status reports, updates and
builds.

--

Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

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You confidence is very false. Check these references out:

1. During his WinHEC keynote address on May 7, 2003, Will Poole, the
Senior Vice President of the Windows Client Division at Microsoft,
revealed the roadmap for longhorn, setting the final release date of
the product firmly in 2005, two years from now.

2. In 2004, the long-awaited Longhorn beta will finally kick off. "Over
the course of 2004 you'll see a couple of releases in the betas for
Longhorn," Poole noted, and his presentation specifically mentions
Longhorn Beta 1 and Longhorn Beta 2 occurring in 2004. This scheduled
was corroborated at Microsoft's annual Financial Analysts Meeting in
July 2003.

3. http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_winhec_07.png

Now granted I haven't heard back from my source as he is away, but even
some basic web searches alread indicate Longhorn is at least a year
behind. I have shown that one should not have confidence in Microsofts
dates, what have you proven?

message On what basis? My sources indicate it will be 2007, i.e. Not next
year.


Your sources are wrong.
My source is the entire program management team for the Windows
division within my company Microsoft.
Windows "Longhorn" (client) will enter Beta 1 this summer and ship in
2006...

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Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

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On what basis? My sources indicate it will be 2007, i.e. Not next
year.

message I can guarantee it won't be released to the public by next year.


I beg to differ.

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Regards,

Mike
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Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

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I can guarantee it won't be released to the public by next year.


What's the difference between these two OSs?

Is it worth upgrading to Windows 64 or should I wait for Longhorn
next year?

Cheers.

Bobby


Windows XP 64 bit is the same as the current Windows XP except
that it
is modified to run on the new 64 bit CPUs.

Longhorn is a complete redesign of the operating system and will
therefore likely be vastly different from Windows XP (both 32 and
64
bit versions) in many ways. But there is no guarantee that
Longhorn
will be released to the public by next year.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm

 

[Cymbal Man Freq.]

Good thing President Bush doesn't take over Bill Gate's job.

Deficit? Debt? Huh?

Oh yeah...tax cuts for the rich to starve out the other 90% of the population.

 

[Nil Einne]

I was searching for something and came across this and just had to
jump. I hate to say this but it appears you cannot read. The person
you are replying to, from what I've read has never ever suggested that
old dates are invalid because time has proven them invalid. In fact,
I'm not even sure I can grasp what you're trying to say here since it
doesn't seem to make sense.

However, although I can wrong, what Mike appears to be saying is that
the old dates were clearly not correct since Microsoft did not keep
them. We all know this. We all know someone at Microsoft originally
annouced these dates. However, what has been said by Mike, and it is
up to you whether to believe him is that these dates which were
annouced 2 years ago were much more likely to be incorrect as the
amount of work which had been done which was necessary to achieve
these dates was very little. The dates we currently have are based on
a very much larger amount of work that has already been done. This may
be hard for you to grasp but what this means is that these dates are
much more likely to be correct. It may surprise you but just because
someone has been wrong once doesn't automatically mean they will be
wrong again. More importantly, we can get an idea of how likely it is
that person is wrong by analysing what information they used to arise
at whatever conclusions we are analysing and the experience and
knowledge in matters related to the conclusions reached. For example,
as I have a bit of a research background, let's say I ask a structural
biologist what he/she thinks of the current theories behind quantum
mechanics. It would not surprise me if he/she is very wrong. However
let's say I also ask the same person what they think of the current
theories behind protein folding. I would expect that this person is
far more likely to be correct in this case. Let's look at a different
example. Let's say I ask the same person what they think the structure
of protein X which no one has ever looked at before is like. Then 3
years later, I ask them what they think the structure of protein X is
like. Protein X is a protein they've been working on solving for the
past 3 years. Guess what? The second opinion is far far more likely to
be correct. These are quite different from the case at hand but given
your apparent inability to understand basic concepts, I hoped that
such different cases may help your understanding.

You claim fact is Longhorn will not ship until 2007. This may surprise
you but you something in the future cannot be a fact until it has
passed. Until January 1st 2007 there are no facts about whether
Longhorn will ship before 2007 or not. Even if you are the person who
decided when to ship Longhorn there are still no facts. For example,
you may be shot and Mike will take over your job and ship Longhorn. Of
course, your knowledge and position is important for us to evaluate
your claims. If you were the person deciding when to release Longhorn,
we would probably give your claims much more weight then if your a 12
year old kid who's got nothing better to do coz their video card broke
so they can't be a l33t hax0r who pwns everyone in HL2. Similarly, if
it were December 31st 2006, we would give your claims much more weight
then the current time. I'm somewhat repeating what I said earlier but
since it appears so difficult for you to grasp simple concepts maybe
this will help. We don't know who you are. We don't even know whether
Armand Hammer is you real name. All we do know is you claim to have a
source who you won't reveal who tells you it won't be release until
2007. To prove this 'fact' you go digging up a few ancient claims
which we all know were made and we all know now were quite wrong. From
this, you claims we cannot trust anything anyone at Microsoft claims.
You ignore or fail to understand the difference between claims which
are rarely just based on paper and ideas and claims which are strongly
backed by existing work. Then we have Mike. As far as we know he works
for Microsoft. He claims that there has been a lot of work behind
Longhorn and correctly points out the holes in your argument. He
claims that based on what he has heard and done, he believes Longhorn
will ship in 2006. Who is the better choice for us to believe? Hmm I
wonder......

The only thing of use you did say is this "Best thing is this little
exchange will remain for ever on the web as a testemant to your
ignorance."

Unfortunetely, it's your ignorance that will probably remain forever
on the web. This may surprise you but even if Longhorn is not release
until 2007 or is never released, it won't make a shred of difference.
I have looked at the evidence you have presented and the evidence Mike
has presented. I have read your what stupid ideas and your apparent
inability to understand simple concepts. From this, I have reached the
conclusions I have made. If it turns out I end up being wrong, it does
not matter. I did not claim to have any special knowledge or to have
done a detailed analysis. I am simply looking at the evidence at hand.
And I strongly suspect anyone looking at the evidence I looked at will
reach the same conclusions even if they know these conclusions are
very wrong. Sorry but don't expect me to get angry or to reply when
you accuse me of being an idiot. I really don't care what you say.
Simple pointing out how stupid your statements are. Of course, since
you're probably just a troll, you probably won't care. But if you're
not, I do hope your very young because it would sadden me if you're an
adult but still so stupid.

Are you retarded? Because I think even the average retard would grasp the
concept. You cannot say old dates are invalid because time has proven them
to be invalid but the same people that are giving the new dates are right
this time. Fact is Longhorn will not ship until 2007 and nothing you say
will change that. Best thing is this little exchange will remain for ever
on the web as a testemant to your ignorance.

When they made comments at anytime in the past they were just as relevant
as comments made today and tommorrow.

The point you are missing is that any comment is only as good as the
information behind it. A comment made 2 years ago about a projected
product that had not a line of code written for it and was just a
whiteboard exercise is not as strong as one made with the full project
underway, thousand of developers coding millions of lines of code for a
product that is almost Beta 1 ready and in use on hundreds of machines
everyday.

Only time will tell what will happen to any comment made. My point is,
if they could be so off in previously made comments, how can we accept
current comments at face value?

See my point above

This is what you cannot understand. Mark my works. Longhorn will not
ship next year(I will put out one qualifier and that it will not ship out
with out a dramatic removal of features).

I'm sorry but you and your source are not in pocession of all the facts
and aware of the full picture to make such a statement. I am.
Also since you are not aware of the previous planned feature list you are
no position to say we will cut features - in fact we already have in the
case of WinFS etc.

Keep in mind, my source is unavailable and my info today is off of a
quick websearch.

Unless your resource is one of the lead Windows "Longhorn" program
managers or Bryan Valentine then (s)he is not relevant or authoritative.
(If your source is another Microsoft employee please name them and I will
gladly speak to them to make them aware of the facts they evidently are
not aware of.)

--

Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups

When they made comments at anytime in the past they were just as relevant
as comments made today and tommorrow. Only time will tell what will
happen to any comment made. My point is, if they could be so off in
previously made comments, how can we accept current comments at face
value? This is what you cannot understand. Mark my works. Longhorn
will not ship next year(I will put out one qualifier and that it will not
ship out with out a dramatic removal of features).

Keep in mind, my source is unavailable and my info today is off of a
quick websearch.


Here is another quote from WinHEC 2002:

Mike Toutonghi, corporate vice president of the Windows eHome Division,
was a little more specific about both the Longhorn timeline and the
features we can expect in the release. Toutonghi delivered his comments
during a Tuesday morning session about new media opportunities and
challenges in the connected home. "Longhorn will ship in the second half
of 2004," Toutonghi said. "It will deliver the next generation of
communications and collaboration experiences, streaming audio/video [A/V]
functionality, integrated device connectivity, simplified networking, and
tools to help Microsoft deliver on our promise of the connected home."

You confidence is very false. Check these references out:

1. During his WinHEC keynote address on May 7, 2003, Will Poole, the
Senior Vice President of the Windows Client Division at Microsoft,
revealed the roadmap for longhorn, setting the final release date of
the product firmly in 2005, two years from now.


Comments made 2 years ago are no longer relevant the Longhorn project
has changed radically since then and is now much more further advanced -
so we can be more definite on our plans and shipping time frames.

2. In 2004, the long-awaited Longhorn beta will finally kick off. "Over
the course of 2004 you'll see a couple of releases in the betas for
Longhorn," Poole noted, and his presentation specifically mentions
Longhorn Beta 1 and Longhorn Beta 2 occurring in 2004. This scheduled
was corroborated at Microsoft's annual Financial Analysts Meeting in
July 2003.


Again 2 years ago - plans change in the extremely early stages of
development. We are now much closer to the final feature set and code
is well under way - Beta 1 is getting very close then onwards to Beta 2
a number of Release Candidates then RTM.
It may not look like it from the outside but working where an I do and
with the information I see, 2006 is a good bet for RTM

3. http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_winhec_07.png

Now granted I haven't heard back from my source as he is away, but even
some basic web searches alread indicate Longhorn is at least a year
behind. I have shown that one should not have confidence in Microsofts
dates, what have you proven?


A year behind what ? Yes plans change again citing comment made 2 years
ago are no longer relevant - the product was still on the drawing
board - where we are now the picture is clear and the path laid out -
being able to run the code every day on your PC is a world away from
talk, plans and whiteboards full of ideas.
This is the nature of massive software development projects - lots of
shift and change at the front end then as you progress you can be firmer
and firmer on dates, features etc.

I really don't need to prove anything as my only evidence is internal
Microsoft confidential project plans, status reports, updates and
builds.

--

Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups

You confidence is very false. Check these references out:

1. During his WinHEC keynote address on May 7, 2003, Will Poole, the
Senior Vice President of the Windows Client Division at Microsoft,
revealed the roadmap for longhorn, setting the final release date of
the product firmly in 2005, two years from now.

2. In 2004, the long-awaited Longhorn beta will finally kick off. "Over
the course of 2004 you'll see a couple of releases in the betas for
Longhorn," Poole noted, and his presentation specifically mentions
Longhorn Beta 1 and Longhorn Beta 2 occurring in 2004. This scheduled
was corroborated at Microsoft's annual Financial Analysts Meeting in
July 2003.

3. http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_winhec_07.png

Now granted I haven't heard back from my source as he is away, but even
some basic web searches alread indicate Longhorn is at least a year
behind. I have shown that one should not have confidence in Microsofts
dates, what have you proven?

message On what basis? My sources indicate it will be 2007, i.e. Not next
year.


Your sources are wrong.
My source is the entire program management team for the Windows
division within my company Microsoft.
Windows "Longhorn" (client) will enter Beta 1 this summer and ship in
2006...

--

Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

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On what basis? My sources indicate it will be 2007, i.e. Not next
year.

message I can guarantee it won't be released to the public by next year.


I beg to differ.

--

Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

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rights

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I can guarantee it won't be released to the public by next year.


What's the difference between these two OSs?

Is it worth upgrading to Windows 64 or should I wait for Longhorn
next year?

Cheers.

Bobby


Windows XP 64 bit is the same as the current Windows XP except
that it
is modified to run on the new 64 bit CPUs.

Longhorn is a complete redesign of the operating system and will
therefore likely be vastly different from Windows XP (both 32 and
64
bit versions) in many ways. But there is no guarantee that
Longhorn
will be released to the public by next year.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm