WINDOWS VISTA AERO VS LINUX UBUNTU BERYL

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removeme said:
I hold my hand up and say... installing an application under Linux is the
first thing a user will try to do, fail, and then go back to windows... I
know I did ** GRIN **
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So tell me, which part about the following steps confused you:

-> Click System
-> Click Administration
-> Synaptic Package Manager
-> Enter Name of app you'd like install
-> Click checkbox next to app
-> Click apply button to install
-> Use application

Yes, a horrifying experience. ;)

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I have to say that once the eog's and bickering died down, we actually had
an interesting range of matters discussed and thought over. It makes a nice
change to go over each side and listen and come back in a constructive
manner on various points.

Now... where did all these rattles come from :)
 
Charlie said:
How much longer will Microsoft control the future?
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Good question that I wish I had an answer for.

To be honest, I'm really not liking the boat I'm in right now. It sure isn't
a luxury liner!

On one hand...I absolutely do not agree with what MS is doing with Vista,
their DRM, WGA, waste of resources, etc. The fact that I'd have to sink
about a grand into my PC just to get it back to the same level of
performance with Vista as I have with XP...~600 bucks for a 8800 GTX and
~300-350ish for 2 more gigs of the low-latency DDR2 800MHz RAM I use is not
something I want to do.

On the other hand, as much as I love ubuntu and as great of an OS as it is,
it leaves XP in the dust, not to mention Vista...even I have to concede
that it can meet 90% of my needs...but the last 10% can get mildly
annoying, if only due to the horrid boot times of XP in comparison making
the time to switch annoying at times.

I can do everything ranging from basic e-mail to my software development.
That covers most my needs perfectly fine. Things such as watching DVDs are
also great, especially when it comes to not having any hassles with regions
as I have DVDs from various regions.

Needing to dual boot to XP though for my games is annoying and VMWare 6.0,
still being in beta, only has experimental support for DX8. I wouldn't mind
running XP as much if I didn't need to dual boot it.

I also need to compile windows binaries of my software of course so I need
to compile those natively under windows. That...I could actually use VMWare
for so that isn't really an issue.

So on the bottom line, I am in a position where I can either use an OS I
have absolutely no desire to use or an OS that I absolutely enjoy using but
is missing a thing or two to make it complete.

XP is likely going to cease to be an option whenever MS releases the next
version of Visual Studio. I am sure it will require Vista, wouldn't be the
*first* time they did that. They did the same with VS2003 and XP. So at
that point in time, even I will be forced to have Vista around...not a
thought I am liking.

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Stephan said:
So tell me, which part about the following steps confused you:

-> Click System
-> Click Administration
-> Synaptic Package Manager
-> Enter Name of app you'd like install
-> Click checkbox next to app
-> Click apply button to install
-> Use application

Yes, a horrifying experience. ;)
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It is for a Wintard like removeme who obviously has an IQ of your common
rodent.

Love and Kisses,
Doris
 
I have to say that once the eog's and bickering died down, we actually
had an interesting range of matters discussed and thought over. It
makes a nice change to go over each side and listen and come back in a
constructive manner on various points.
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Yes, once all the BS starts getting thrown around, I tend to ignore the
rest of the thread.

I thought that's what it was all supposed to be about.......discussion.
Sometimes rare.
 
I know it, I have used it,
it stinks.. LOL.. it stinks so much I didnt even thought it was worth
mentioning!

(by the way inkscape runs on windows too)

its nothing compared to corel draw and illustrator...
 
So on the bottom line, I am in a position where I can either use an OS I
have absolutely no desire to use or an OS that I absolutely enjoy using
but is missing a thing or two to make it complete.

XP is likely going to cease to be an option whenever MS releases the
next version of Visual Studio. I am sure it will require Vista, wouldn't
be the *first* time they did that. They did the same with VS2003 and XP.
So at that point in time, even I will be forced to have Vista
around...not a thought I am liking.
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Hmmm. Businesses, including big companies and gov't entities, seem to be
pushing back on Vista. They don't see the value. Microsoft may not care
about individuals, but can they afford to alienate big customers by
dropping support for XP on new product releases? Perhaps you won't have
to abandon XP for several years... and by then, who knows what other
changes will have occurred in the marketplace?

Charlie
 
Stephan Rose said:
So tell me, which part about the following steps confused you:

-> Click System
-> Click Administration
-> Synaptic Package Manager
-> Enter Name of app you'd like install
-> Click checkbox next to app
-> Click apply button to install
-> Use application

Yes, a horrifying experience. ;)
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And what happens if your distro doesn't include the Synaptic Package
Manager? Here's a quote from heir web site : "To compile you will need Gtk+
2.4 (or later) There is optional support for output into libzvt (part of
gnome-libs)." And once you figure out how to compile then install this
program you then have to find pacakges designed for your distro. Linux can
be easy if you stick to packages that came with your distro. Anything else
is not easy.
 
Kerry said:
And what happens if your distro doesn't include the Synaptic Package
Manager? Here's a quote from heir web site : "To compile you will need
Gtk+ 2.4 (or later) There is optional support for output into libzvt (part
of gnome-libs)." And once you figure out how to compile then install this
program you then have to find pacakges designed for your distro. Linux can
be easy if you stick to packages that came with your distro. Anything else
is not easy.
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Well personally, I'd never reccommend using a non-managed distro but that's
just me. Package managers were obviously created for a reason. I especially
wouldn't reccommend a new user to go without a managed distro.

There is a reason why I would reccommend distributions such as Ubuntu to
someone new and there is a reason why these distributions like that are so
popular.

As far as app availability via the package manager, I'd say 99% of all
applications are available for it. The other 1% are commercial apps such as
VMWare, Cedega, etc. and those are a breeze to install not requiring any
source code compiles. Simply download their installers and run them.

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kirk said:
I know it, I have used it,
it stinks.. LOL.. it stinks so much I didnt even thought it was worth
mentioning!
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Well personally I'd say the same about Corel Draw...I can't stand it. So
where does that leave us? Two opposing opinions?
(by the way inkscape runs on windows too)
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As do most linux programs actually...

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Charlie said:
Hmmm. Businesses, including big companies and gov't entities, seem to be
pushing back on Vista. They don't see the value. Microsoft may not care
about individuals, but can they afford to alienate big customers by
dropping support for XP on new product releases? Perhaps you won't have
to abandon XP for several years... and by then, who knows what other
changes will have occurred in the marketplace?
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Well I am just going by past experiences where they have dropped support for
previous OS versions in new product releases. Like I said, VS2003 was one
prime example where they did this for no reason that I can justify. VS2003
introduced the .Net Framework but the Framework works on Win98SE and above
so there's no reason to require XP for VS2003 and above. Yet MS did so.

So we'll see if they will do it again. It most certainly won't surprise me.

But yea, I will hang on to XP as long as possible as a secondary boot until
I either entirely don't need it anymore (preferable scenario) or I
absolutely am forced to get Vista.

Honestly though, I don't see how they can afford to alienate individuals
either. Individuals do add up if they alienate enough of them...

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