WINDOWS VISTA AERO VS LINUX UBUNTU BERYL

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Stephan, I have read many people saying the same things....
That is why I believe that MS did this on purpose.

Can you imagine, the increase in sales for NVIDIA and ATI?

Do you think MS is doing such radical changes in vista if tons of money was
not deeply involved?

You see, there is a hidden truth here.. and the truth is that there is a
battle to keep
the MS monopoly as stable as possible. MS helps ATI and NVIDIA to boost
their sales,
and ATI and NVIDIA make sure they do not release their drivers to the Open
Source community.
There is a whole battle about this.. if you look around you will see it.
Linux without the proper
drivers is stuck on crappy and unstable graphic display drivers. Although
XGL looks neat,
there is a huge problem, since although many cards are capable of doing such
effects,
if you dont have the correct driver then things crash or dont work at all.
Lack of drivers is the number 1 problem of Linux. The linux community needs
to find a solution for this so bad,
that it has offered to provide free services to the companies to help write
driver code for linux.
In other words ATI who will be making billions of dollars, will also get
free linux driver programmers!
However even though the open source community will be offering this, you
will see that they will be totally ignored!
This is not because they are truly ignoring them.. it is because of the
ATI-NVIDIA-MS alliance!

Can you understand the amounts of money that are involved?

The same conspiracy is going on, on all aspects of hardware. MS makes sure
the next OS
will be bloated so much that you need a new generation computer for it to
work properly on.
This forces more people to take money out of their pockets and into the
vendors wallets.
By MS helping companies sell more new computers, they get in return full
support of PRE-INSTALLING
windows on their machines. Its not easy to get a linux machine or a pc
without an OS installed.
Sure you can if you look around, but most buy computers like they buy DVD
players.
They have no technical knowledge.. they go to a store and buy whatever
catches their eye and have the money
to pay for.

Now after me taking the time to explain the background of things, you will
understand that behind my claims
there is a logic and insight on whats going on. I just dont explain
everything in each post, because if I did,
I would be writing books here... lol I am also not saying if all this is all
negative.. I can assure you that
there is a positive aspect to what is going on. But knowing this and
accepting it, is different from not knowing the truth.

However, because your post was serious enough, I took the extra time to
write this.

This hunch I have may not be totally correct, other things may be into play
that I cannot know...
however it seems to fit perfectly whats going on, and the trends we see
around us.
 
removeme said:
Nice demo, but if they could only make Linux more standardized and have
more applications that people use in their daily business ventures, then
they would stand a chance. Bottom line, its not going to have the
world-wide user base that MS has... and IMHO I don't think it ever will.
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And what might this software be that requires one can only use Windoze
software to get the job done?

Love and Kisses,
Doris
 
Kerry said:
Have you ever actually used Linux? Have you ever tried to upgrade a Linux
program let alone the kernel? It is very common to end up with mismatched
libraries, programs that don't work because the kernel was changed, etc.
etc.. Just trying to figure out if a program will run in a particular
distro then trying to figure out if you have the right libraries then
making sure installing the right libraries doesn't mess up something else
can be a nightmare. If you stick to one distro and get all your programs
from their site you will probably be OK. That would be like relying on
Microsoft to supply all your programs.
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Well not quite like relying on Microsoft. How many applications does
Microsoft produce compared to the 25,000+ packages that come from say the
Ubuntu repositories? Using a distro's repository makes installing software
as easy as clicking the mouse, but that simplicity doesn't mean that tens
of thousands of other software applications also can't be installed on a
particular distro. Only that it may take a little more work to do so than
doing it simply from a distro's repository. The fact that open source
applications all come with source code means that they are ALL available
for installation on ones system, but may require compiling them to get them
installed. With proprietary software you're left totally at the whim of the
developer. No source code available, so if he doesn't support your
particular version of Windoze, you're outta luck.


Love and Kisses,
Doris
 
And what might this software be that requires one can only use Windoze
software to get the job done?

Love and Kisses,
Doris
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I use Sage Line 50 - Adobe Photoshop - Office Suite - Frontpage 2003 on a
daily basis.
I use these applications and the data at various clients who all use Windows
2000/XP so where does Linux come in?
 
Yeah I thought of that too when I was reading his reply...

I cant understand how so many people are clueless.....
and these are supposedly the tech savvy people...

If these people are tech savvy, then what about the others?? shivers!
 
Now MS could have done the same thing games do. Games will usually
provide a FFP fallback when appropriate pixel shader support is lacking.
That may result in reduced visual quality *if* the same effect cannot be
achieved via the FFP, but everything is still usable. In Aero's case
though there wouldn't be a visual difference even as all we are talking
about here is simple alpha blending. A legacy TNT2 can do that...
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Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to explain all this.

Charlie
 
And what might this software be that requires one can only use Windoze
software to get the job done?

Love and Kisses,
Doris
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Which is another big problem with Linux. Sure there's open source to do
most tasks, from office apps, to internet apps, to CAD, and so on, but
it's not that those program's aren't available. It's that the ones people
use now, and are familiar with, and make them money, get the job done,
aren't available in a Linux port.

The one's I use......AutoCAD, OrCad, an Embedded IDE/Compiler called
DynamicC, CAM350, SolidWorks, MicroWave Office, don't have Linux ports
available.

Ubuntu would be perfect for the wife, just doing e-mail, online crap, a
few games, etc.
 
Stephan, I have read many people saying the same things.... That is why
I believe that MS did this on purpose.

Can you imagine, the increase in sales for NVIDIA and ATI?

Do you think MS is doing such radical changes in vista if tons of money
was not deeply involved?
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I think you are on the right track, but I have a slightly different take
on Microsoft's strategy.

Microsoft's golden age, in the 80s and 90s, was a time when people had
every good reason to completely replace their hardware/software every
couple of years. The newer technology was dramatically better -- faster,
easier to use, more productive.

But the upgrade cycle has lengthened. Microsoft's biggest desktop
competition these days is its own installed base... 2k and XP machines
that are 3 to 6 years old and still completely adequate for what they are
doing.

My conjecture is that Microsoft has designed Vista with the goal of
giving people a reason to completely get rid of their old systems and
migrate to something newer, sexier and more powerful. It was a formula
that worked with Windows 9X, right? But it doesn't seem to be working as
well with Vista, partly because Vista lacks the backward compatibility of
9X, and partly because people simply don't perceive any practical value
in the upgrade.

Charlie
 
kirk said:
Yeah I thought of that too when I was reading his reply...

I cant understand how so many people are clueless.....
and these are supposedly the tech savvy people...

If these people are tech savvy, then what about the others?? shivers!
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Well I certainly don't think of people whose only claim to fame is the
ability to click around Windoze menus as being all that "tech savvy". Then
again, I guess there are people who are less capable and are still trying
to use their CD/DVD drives as cup holders. The Windoze mouse clickers are a
step (not much of a step) above.

Love and Kisses,
Doris
 
Basically it was all a problem of technology....

you see during XP's lifetime the CPUs stopped increasing in speeds.
You remember when we had 200 MHz jumps in CPU speeds every 2 months?
But then what happened? They reached a limit, because of thermal problems.

If you kept increasing the speed of the cpu, more and more energy would be
consumed
in a small space of the chip, and that raised the heat significantly.

When vista came along the hardware problem had been solved, instead of
making one core
super hot, you distribute the work among many cores and you don't increase
the speed much more.

NOW that this solution exists, there will be a surge of new technologies..
and multiple cores will go
from 2 to 4 to 8 to 16.. etc.. Intel has plans for 100 core cpus by 2012.

The Mayans say that the world (as we know it) will end on dec 31, 2012, so I
don't know if we will even need computers then.. or have a power grid to
plug them into!

:-)
 
Actually Video cards/GPUs have surpassed processors in both
transistor count and heat generation. An Intel Core 2 Duo has
around 291 Million transistors. nVidia's new 8800 series GPU
has well over 600 Million transistors.

The Core (2) Duo technology is actually based on the mobile
Centrino design and the old "Pentium" NetBurst architecture was
retired.
 
There are not very professional packages for vector creation and other
graphics available for linux.

Im taking about the giants, adobe and corel. Corel did try one time to port
photopaint 9 when there was a Corel Linux, but then they sold that to
someone else.. and stopped working on anything linux.
 
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kirk jim said:
There are not very professional packages for vector creation and other
graphics available for linux.

Im taking about the giants, adobe and corel. Corel did try one time to port
photopaint 9 when there was a Corel Linux, but then they sold that to
someone else.. and stopped working on anything linux.
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Umm... GIMP, anyone?

http://www.gimp.org

This and its Hollywood branch have been the programs responsible
for Shrek and other Dreamworks movies. If you've noticed with most
businesses, giant products = overhead. They have to spend an arm, leg,
and first born to buy it, so if they can get the same out of things that
cost less or are free, they will go that route. That's why Linux has
become as popular as it has. Offtopic, I know, but there it is.

Either way, the GIMP does exactly what you're saying is lacking
for Linux.

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I mentioned VECTORS...

Adobe illustrator and Corel Draw can do vectors...Gimp cannot

Im not talking about bitmaps..... I know gimp I have used it too...

but its interface is outdated and... shi**y

I also know about the companies that are making 3d animations on linux
but they are using custom made programs for this..

these are not available to the public and even if they were they would NOT
be opensource and free!!!
 
Doris Day said:
Well I certainly don't think of people whose only claim to fame is the
ability to click around Windoze menus as being all that "tech savvy". Then
again, I guess there are people who are less capable and are still trying
to use their CD/DVD drives as cup holders. The Windoze mouse clickers are
a
step (not much of a step) above.

Love and Kisses,
Doris
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I actually use Linux every day. I know how to compile programs and get them
to run in Windows or Linux if I have the source code. I've written programs
for Windows and other OS' in many different languages including assembler
for several different CPUs. All of the points I made in my original post
stand. The vast majority of computer users could not install a Linux program
that wasn't precompiled for their distro and used an installer made for
their distro.
 
Which is another big problem with Linux. Sure there's open source to do
most tasks, from office apps, to internet apps, to CAD, and so on, but
it's not that those program's aren't available. It's that the ones people
use now, and are familiar with, and make them money, get the job done,
aren't available in a Linux port.

The one's I use......AutoCAD, OrCad, an Embedded IDE/Compiler called
DynamicC, CAM350, SolidWorks, MicroWave Office, don't have Linux ports
available.

Ubuntu would be perfect for the wife, just doing e-mail, online crap, a
few games, etc.
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Your points are exact, and as I keep saying as well, it's the apps that make
people use the o.s.

I just wish the bickering between users about the o.s. the use would stop
for a bit, your past, like mine, always states the obvious. People are used
to using a particular application, under windows etc.. they do not care
about Linux and being free, and how apps are free etc, in the real world,
nobody can survive on free.. you can prove this yourself quite easily of
course. Just tell your boss that from now on, you will work for free.... see
how long you will last if you do not have some other way of pulling cash
in....

So, lets say we all ditch Microsoft o.s., then what? We go back to in-house
wars of who will have the definitive Linux o.s.? Look at Novell, RedHat
etc.. do you think these people are spending all that cash doing what they
do so you can have all their stuff for free? Nope.. they are hoping that by
some miracle they start to get a large batch os users who in turn they can
start to sell products to so they can make.... money.... MS has done it in a
spectacular fashion, you just can't avoid that no matter what you think!

A good test to me would be the following: Give a teenager a Linux machine
and leave them to it... see how long they last when they cannot get and do
all the same things as their mates... the sulking, screaming and bitching
will soon make you get Windows installed fast!
 
The hardware requirements *are* ridiculuous. I am sorry but, they are. As
for my reference, easy...I'm a programmer for a living. I write software
that uses 3D Accelerated graphics to display 2D Content. So I know how
fancy little UI's like Aero, Beryl, etc. work beause they do the same
thing
I do.
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I can display over 20,000 objects totalling over 200k polygons on a
friggin
6 year old pentium 4 notebook with a video card from that at 20ms-30ms per
frame. That includes transparency effects.

What aero does is not complicated. All it is doing is displaying alpha
blended 2D polygons with texturemaps. That's it. This does not require the
level of hardware support MS wants for it.

Game's have been doing it in their own UI's for many many years! Everquest
has had alpha blended and texture mapped user interfaces since the late
90's but the same hardware is supposedly incapable of handling aero?

Gimme a friggin beak...the requirements *are* inflated. As to the reasons
*why* MS inflated them...I can't comment on that.
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I really don't think there can be an argument to this, your right in my
opinion.
It's incredible that the raw power required to really just have a flash
interface (and is the selling point of WOW) I believe shows that something
is not quite right in the programming techniques being used.

If I go back to my XP Professional, on the machine I have Vista Business
on... it's incredible! Its so fast that I find it difficult swapping back
over to Vista again once the drive it out!!!! BUT!! BUT!!! I have to stick
with this as the computer world is changing whether we like it or not, and I
have to get to grips with Vista so I can support my clients.
 
I actually use Linux every day. I know how to compile programs and get
them to run in Windows or Linux if I have the source code. I've written
programs for Windows and other OS' in many different languages including
assembler for several different CPUs. All of the points I made in my
original post stand. The vast majority of computer users could not install
a Linux program that wasn't precompiled for their distro and used an
installer made for their distro.
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I hold my hand up and say... installing an application under Linux is the
first thing a user will try to do, fail, and then go back to windows... I
know I did ** GRIN **
 
If I go back to my XP Professional, on the machine I have Vista Business
on... it's incredible! Its so fast that I find it difficult swapping
back over to Vista again once the drive it out!!!! BUT!! BUT!!! I have
to stick with this as the computer world is changing whether we like it
or not, and I have to get to grips with Vista so I can support my
clients.
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How much longer will Microsoft control the future?

Charlie
 
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