Windows Movie Maker

[JohnD]

Does anyone happen to know how I can get Windows Movie Maker 2.1 for XP?
Preferably download.

Thanks

 

[Daddy]

Movie Maker 2.1 is available for download with Windows XP Service Pack 2
(SP2). You can download SP2 and Movie Maker 2.1 from Windows Update.

Daddy

 

[JohnD]

The problem I seem to have with that route is that I am already running SP3
and I can't find any place on the Windows Update site where SP2 is available
to me. In any case wouldn't I cause myself other problems if I downloaded
SP2 on top of SP3?

 

[Paul]

The problem I seem to have with that route is that I am already running SP3
and I can't find any place on the Windows Update site where SP2 is available
to me. In any case wouldn't I cause myself other problems if I downloaded
SP2 on top of SP3?

Movie Maker 2.1 is available separately. If you use Windows Update afterwards,
you may get whatever patches came after that release.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/moviemaker2.mspx

You can examine the table and article here, for the versions released
with the various OSes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_movie_maker

My install CD is a WinXP SP3 one, and my version of
Movie Maker (moviemk.exe) is 2.1.4026.0 and has a file
size of 3,558,912 bytes (3,571,712 bytes on disk).

I can't figure out where in the Windows world it fits,
and don't see it as a "component" to add, in the
Add/Remove panel. If you have SP3, I would have expected
it to be installed. The documentation claims it is an
"Accessory", but it appears in the main program menu.

C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\moviemk.exe

Paul

 

[JohnD]

Thank you for your suggestion, Paul. I had already been to that page and it
contains a wealth of information about Movie Maker, but nowhee can I find
anything I can click on that takes me to an actual download page. There is
an offer to order a CD, but clicking on that takes me into a series of pages
that assume I live in some other part of the world than the US and I have to
choose a country and currency to pay for the CD before I can proceed. So
that's a dead end too.
I actually have an SP2 CD and it might include Movie Maker, but the only way
to find out would be to try and install SP2 on top of SP3, which I am uneasy
about. MM is not mentioned in the directory of any of the folders on the CD.
Any other suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

 

[Fuzzy]

http://download.cnet.com/Windows-Movie-Maker-Windows-XP/3000-13631_4-10165075.html

 

[Fuzzy]

Thank you for your suggestion, Paul. I had already been to that page and it
contains a wealth of information about Movie Maker, but nowhee can I find
anything I can click on that takes me to an actual download page. There is
an offer to order a CD, but clicking on that takes me into a series of pages
that assume I live in some other part of the world than the US and I have to
choose a country and currency to pay for the CD before I can proceed. So
that's a dead end too.
I actually have an SP2 CD and it might include Movie Maker, but the only way
to find out would be to try and install SP2 on top of SP3, which I am uneasy
about. MM is not mentioned in the directory of any of the folders on the CD.
Any other suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

http://download.cnet.com/Windows-Movie-Maker-Windows-XP/3000-13631_4-10165075.html

 

[Fuzzy]

Thank you for your suggestion, Paul. I had already been to that page and it
contains a wealth of information about Movie Maker, but nowhee can I find
anything I can click on that takes me to an actual download page. There is
an offer to order a CD, but clicking on that takes me into a series of pages
that assume I live in some other part of the world than the US and I have to
choose a country and currency to pay for the CD before I can proceed. So
that's a dead end too.
I actually have an SP2 CD and it might include Movie Maker, but the only way
to find out would be to try and install SP2 on top of SP3, which I am uneasy
about. MM is not mentioned in the directory of any of the folders on the CD.
Any other suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

http://download.cnet.com/Windows-Movie-Maker-Windows-XP/3000-13631_4-10165075.html

 

[Fuzzy]

Thank you for your suggestion, Paul. I had already been to that page and it
contains a wealth of information about Movie Maker, but nowhee can I find
anything I can click on that takes me to an actual download page. There is
an offer to order a CD, but clicking on that takes me into a series of pages
that assume I live in some other part of the world than the US and I have to
choose a country and currency to pay for the CD before I can proceed. So
that's a dead end too.
I actually have an SP2 CD and it might include Movie Maker, but the only way
to find out would be to try and install SP2 on top of SP3, which I am uneasy
about. MM is not mentioned in the directory of any of the folders on the CD.
Any other suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

http://download.cnet.com/Windows-Movie-Maker-Windows-XP/3000-13631_4-10165075.html

 

[Paul]

Thank you for your suggestion, Paul. I had already been to that page and it
contains a wealth of information about Movie Maker, but nowhee can I find
anything I can click on that takes me to an actual download page. There is
an offer to order a CD, but clicking on that takes me into a series of pages
that assume I live in some other part of the world than the US and I have to
choose a country and currency to pay for the CD before I can proceed. So
that's a dead end too.
I actually have an SP2 CD and it might include Movie Maker, but the only way
to find out would be to try and install SP2 on top of SP3, which I am uneasy
about. MM is not mentioned in the directory of any of the folders on the CD.
Any other suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

After a quick look around on the web, I didn't realize WMM was "like the
second coming". Apparently integrated into the Service Pack, to entice you
to update etc. It is even such a big deal, it got its own newsgroup.

microsoft.public.windowsxp.moviemaker

There are other editing tools you could use. I wasn't that impressed with
it, when I tried a sample edit of webcam footage I captured locally.

What I find a bit disturbing, is it isn't an item in the Windows Components
in Add/Remove.

If you have SP3, chances are you have all the files you need. It really
all depends on how much hell you want to go through.

Say I start with this for example, and explore it with 7ZIP archive tool (7-zip.org).
This download was 331,805,736 bytes. If you have a WinXP SP3 installer
CD, there should be similar files in the i386 folder.

WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe

The key file, is "moviemk.in_". That is the INF file. Right clicking on
that, and using 7ZIP, you can discover its real name and extract it as
"moviemk.inf". (Windows has the "expand" program, which I suspect may do
something similar.) The files on the SP3 CD are compressed, and the underscore
on the end, means they need to be decompressed before usage. The proper file
name is restored when decompressed.

The contents of the INF are shown in a posting here (so I don't have to copy the
entire file).

http://www.theeldergeek.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5580

You can see that the installer makes reference to a number of files.

[SetupFiles]
moviemk.exe,,,32
WMM2AE.dll,,,32
WMM2EXT.dll,,,32
WMM2FILT.dll,,,32
WMM2FXA.dll,,,32
WMM2FXB.dll,,,32

[Help]
moviemk.chm,,,32

[SharedFiles]
Empty.txt,,,32
Filters.xml,,,32
news.png,,,32
paint.png,,,32
Sample1.jpg,,,32
Sample2.jpg,,,32

and so on. In the i386 folder, all of these would be compressed. For
example, I can find a "SAMPLE2.JP_" in the i386 folder, and that would
likely be the Sample2.jpg file once it was uncompressed. I don't know if
the Windows installer is clever enough to figure that out on its own or not.
It probably expects to see the "real" file names.

There are also a number of registry changes the installer will make. An
interesting one, is this.

HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\OptionalComponents\Moviemk","Installed",,"1"

I presume, if you were to open Regedit and navigate there right now, you might see
whether Windows ever considered to have installed WMM or not. I checked
there now, and that key is set that way (so WMM was installed). Above that key,
is a similar one for "Messenger", implying that if they'd done it properly, WMM should
have been handled as a Windows Component and been available in Add/Remove, with
its own little tick box. In other words, if they'd properly integrated this tool
into the "Windows way", there would have been a separate tick box for Movie Maker
in the "Components" section of Add/Remove. That looks like the intention, based on
what I see in the registry.

So if you're going to mess around at that level, I'd want an easy way to
revert if you don't like how it turned out.

Once you've attempted that install, I don't see an uninstaller.

This site is enticing, but I didn't find the answer I was looking for here.

http://www.papajohn.org/MM2-ProblemSolving.html

In theory, since you're at SP3 currently, a "Repair Install" with a slipstreamed
WinXP SP3 installer CD, might also have fixed it. If you have some other
version of WinXP, plus you have the SP3 Service Pack file
(WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe), you could use "NLite" from
nliteos.com to make a WinXP SP3 CD. You'd need a CD burning program,
to convert the ISO9660 file from NLite, into a bootable CD. I use
Nero for such things, but there are free programs if you don't have
CD burning software.

A Repair Install won't affect your existing data files and programs,
but it will require other repair work. So in this case, I don't know
which is the lesser evil

1) Backup your C: drive. Gather the files in the INF and right click the INF
and try to "install".

2) Or, do a Repair Install using an SP3 installer CD (slipstreamed or out-of-the-box
like my WinXP SP3 CD).

It wasn't immediately apparent, when I found that download page, that I wasn't
actually going to be able to download it :-( Shame on me, for not guessing
their real intention.

Good luck,
Paul

 

[JohnD]

Paul: Thanks for all your trouble. I don't think I want to get involved in
all that decompression and registry stuff. I don't need WMM for editing,
anyway, I'm just looking for an alternative way to capture digital A/V files

Thank you for your suggestion, Paul. I had already been to that page and it
contains a wealth of information about Movie Maker, but nowhee can I find
anything I can click on that takes me to an actual download page. There is
an offer to order a CD, but clicking on that takes me into a series of pages
that assume I live in some other part of the world than the US and I have to
choose a country and currency to pay for the CD before I can proceed. So
that's a dead end too.
I actually have an SP2 CD and it might include Movie Maker, but the only way
to find out would be to try and install SP2 on top of SP3, which I am uneasy
about. MM is not mentioned in the directory of any of the folders on the CD.
Any other suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

After a quick look around on the web, I didn't realize WMM was "like the
second coming". Apparently integrated into the Service Pack, to entice you
to update etc. It is even such a big deal, it got its own newsgroup.

microsoft.public.windowsxp.moviemaker

There are other editing tools you could use. I wasn't that impressed with
it, when I tried a sample edit of webcam footage I captured locally.

What I find a bit disturbing, is it isn't an item in the Windows Components
in Add/Remove.

If you have SP3, chances are you have all the files you need. It really
all depends on how much hell you want to go through.

Say I start with this for example, and explore it with 7ZIP archive tool (7-zip.org).
This download was 331,805,736 bytes. If you have a WinXP SP3 installer
CD, there should be similar files in the i386 folder.

WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe

The key file, is "moviemk.in_". That is the INF file. Right clicking on
that, and using 7ZIP, you can discover its real name and extract it as
"moviemk.inf". (Windows has the "expand" program, which I suspect may do
something similar.) The files on the SP3 CD are compressed, and the underscore
on the end, means they need to be decompressed before usage. The proper file
name is restored when decompressed.

The contents of the INF are shown in a posting here (so I don't have to copy the
entire file).

http://www.theeldergeek.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5580

You can see that the installer makes reference to a number of files.

[SetupFiles]
moviemk.exe,,,32
WMM2AE.dll,,,32
WMM2EXT.dll,,,32
WMM2FILT.dll,,,32
WMM2FXA.dll,,,32
WMM2FXB.dll,,,32

[Help]
moviemk.chm,,,32

[SharedFiles]
Empty.txt,,,32
Filters.xml,,,32
news.png,,,32
paint.png,,,32
Sample1.jpg,,,32
Sample2.jpg,,,32

and so on. In the i386 folder, all of these would be compressed. For
example, I can find a "SAMPLE2.JP_" in the i386 folder, and that would
likely be the Sample2.jpg file once it was uncompressed. I don't know if
the Windows installer is clever enough to figure that out on its own or not.
It probably expects to see the "real" file names.

There are also a number of registry changes the installer will make. An
interesting one, is this.

HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\OptionalComponents\Moviemk","Installed",,"1"

I presume, if you were to open Regedit and navigate there right now, you might see
whether Windows ever considered to have installed WMM or not. I checked
there now, and that key is set that way (so WMM was installed). Above that key,
is a similar one for "Messenger", implying that if they'd done it properly, WMM should
have been handled as a Windows Component and been available in Add/Remove, with
its own little tick box. In other words, if they'd properly integrated this tool
into the "Windows way", there would have been a separate tick box for Movie Maker
in the "Components" section of Add/Remove. That looks like the intention, based on
what I see in the registry.

So if you're going to mess around at that level, I'd want an easy way to
revert if you don't like how it turned out.

Once you've attempted that install, I don't see an uninstaller.

This site is enticing, but I didn't find the answer I was looking for here.

http://www.papajohn.org/MM2-ProblemSolving.html

In theory, since you're at SP3 currently, a "Repair Install" with a slipstreamed
WinXP SP3 installer CD, might also have fixed it. If you have some other
version of WinXP, plus you have the SP3 Service Pack file
(WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe), you could use "NLite" from
nliteos.com to make a WinXP SP3 CD. You'd need a CD burning program,
to convert the ISO9660 file from NLite, into a bootable CD. I use
Nero for such things, but there are free programs if you don't have
CD burning software.

A Repair Install won't affect your existing data files and programs,
but it will require other repair work. So in this case, I don't know
which is the lesser evil

1) Backup your C: drive. Gather the files in the INF and right click the INF
and try to "install".

2) Or, do a Repair Install using an SP3 installer CD (slipstreamed or out-of-the-box
like my WinXP SP3 CD).

It wasn't immediately apparent, when I found that download page, that I wasn't
actually going to be able to download it :-( Shame on me, for not guessing
their real intention.

Good luck,
Paul

 

[JohnD]

Thanks, Fuzzy. Unfortunately, the link you gave me offers a "Download Now"
button which, when pressed, takes one right back to the same old "Download
WMM Now" page that offers absolutely no way to actually download anything.

 

[Daddy]

Hold on...there's something I don't understand. WMM is packaged with SP 2,
and SP 2 is packaged with SP 3. So, if you have SP 3, why don't you have
WMM? If you have WMM, why doesn't Windows Update offer you updates to WMM,
if any?

Sorry if I'm missing something.

Daddy

 

[JohnD]

I don't know the answer, but perhaps when I installed SP3 there was an option
to install or not install WMM and at that time I elected to not install? Or
perhaps that was what happened when I installed SP2 and so at the time SP3
was installed WMM was automatically ignored?

 

[Daddy]

I don't recall being asked if I wanted Windows Movie Maker when I installed
SP 2. (Besides, since when does Microsoft ask?)

Do you have C:\Program Files\Movie Maker? Do you have a file named
moviemk.exe?

Daddy

 

[JohnD]

Negatory on both questions

I don't recall being asked if I wanted Windows Movie Maker when I installed
SP 2. (Besides, since when does Microsoft ask?)

Do you have C:\Program Files\Movie Maker? Do you have a file named
moviemk.exe?

Daddy

 

[JohnD]

Thanks!

Click Start , click Run , and then type the following command:
%systemroot%\inf

Click OK to open the INF folder.
Locate the file moviemk.inf
Right-click the file, and then click Install. This will reinstall Movie
Maker
You may be asked to insert your windows XP cd.




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[JohnD]

I tried to follow your advice. The Install option wanted me to insert an XP
SP3 CD. So I ordered one. It just came, but Install doesn't find the files
it wants on it. For example, it wants MOVIEMK.EXE. The closest file on the
disk is MOVIEMK.PBD.EXE.

Right clicking on this file offers Copy, which doesn't work, or Extract,
which simply copies the file to the destination folder.

I tried renaming the file (in the destination folder) without the .PBD. and
then the install continued, but came up with a whole bunch of .DLL's that
were not on the disc - only their .PBD.DLL equivalents. I followed the same
Extract and rename procedure with them and the install continued until it
wanted a file called EMPTY.TXT. There was no EMPTY on the CD at all. So I
made one. Next it wanted a .XML file that didn't exist on the CD.

At that point I was out of ideas so I gave up.

Any suggestions?

 

[Daddy]

The SP 3 CD you obtained contains only the service pack.

Insert your Windows installation CD, regardless of the service pack. After
the installation is complete, go to Windows Update.

Daddy

 

[JohnD]

Thank you for that advice. Unfortunately, the file that Install wants -
moviemk.exe - is not on my XP Pro install CD either.