Windows Mail UI - Consistency with rest of Vista

A

Adahn

Better get WM the File Explorer toolbars at least, if not a big navigation
bar too like WMP, Callendar, etc. do
 
Z

Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)

Suggestion made :blush:)

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A

Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

I don't want mail looking like Windows Media Player 11 or Photo Gallery or
Calendar. Its just not the right application for that layout and
significance would not be there. I notice you just suggested consistency,
but could you give me additional reasons why this layout would be
advantageous to Windows Mail, how it would provide better navigation or make
the Windows Mail experience better for the end user?
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R

Roland Bierlein

Buenas noches: *Andre Da Costa [Extended64]* escribió:
I don't want mail looking like Windows Media Player 11 or Photo Gallery or
Calendar. Its just not the right application for that layout and
significance would not be there. I notice you just suggested consistency,
but could you give me additional reasons why this layout would be
advantageous to Windows Mail, how it would provide better navigation or make
the Windows Mail experience better for the end user?

At least I'd love buttons for back and forth, so that I can switch to
another folder and use the back button to return to the previous one.
Don't know if such are in Calendar, though. ;-)

Saludos
Roland
 
Z

Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)

I think it would be quite cool actually :blush:)

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

It would be quite cool, but what would be the reason behind quite cool, what
productive functionality is it providing? Developers don't create these
things at the snap of a finger. It takes a good amount of thought process,
engineering and testing before you can at least bring real code into play.
At least apply some of that thought process to your suggestion before you
hand it to them.
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A

Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

No they are not, but they are in Windows Media Player. For persons who have
multiple inboxes, subscribe to numerous newsgroups, WMPs navigation still
would not functional in Windows Mail.
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Roland Bierlein said:
Buenas noches: *Andre Da Costa [Extended64]* escribió:
I don't want mail looking like Windows Media Player 11 or Photo Gallery or
Calendar. Its just not the right application for that layout and
significance would not be there. I notice you just suggested consistency,
but could you give me additional reasons why this layout would be
advantageous to Windows Mail, how it would provide better navigation or
make
the Windows Mail experience better for the end user?

At least I'd love buttons for back and forth, so that I can switch to
another folder and use the back button to return to the previous one.
Don't know if such are in Calendar, though. ;-)

Saludos
Roland
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A

Adahn

It would be quite cool, but what would be the reason behind quite cool,
what productive functionality is it providing?

Can anyone give a satisfactory answer to that regarding ANY major new UI
feature Vista has brought so far ? :)
Developers don't create these things at the snap of a finger.

They do at the thud of an Apple falling to the ground though.
It takes a good amount of thought process,

which is usually filled with voices chanting Mac OS ~ Mac OS ~ Make an OS
like MAC OS!
engineering and testing before you can at least bring real code into play.

after scraping at least 50% of the initial design goals.
At least apply some of that thought process to your suggestion before you
hand it to them.

We would love to, if it did not feel futile after all too many put-offs
containing phrases like "feature complete" and "final, expected behavior."


These succinct snips are just meant to be heads-ups for pointing that
thought process of theirs in the general direction.. no way are we going to
the effort of drawing elaborate drafts if they won't be taken into much
consideration.

but coming to the issue at hand, surely at least the toolbars in Windows
Mail could do with a makeover like those in Windows Explorer? along with a
breadcrumb Address Bar.
 
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Roland Bierlein

Buenos días: *Adahn* escribió:
Can anyone give a satisfactory answer to that regarding ANY major new UI
feature Vista has brought so far ? :)

Sure: they provided /negative/ productive functionality *a lot*. <eg&d>

Saludos
Roland
 
A

Adahn

Breadcrumb toolbar?

So that, assuming they take the suggestion of letting us organize our NNTP
subscriptions the way we want to, we might be seeing "Newsgroups »
Microsoft » Vista » Mail" up there in the address bar right now, for
example.

I actually have a backlog of email from 1999 in Outlook Express files,
categorized and subcategorized in numerous virtual folders.

If a MEDIA PLAYER, of all things, can have a file-system-like address bar to
help navigate your music collection, then by the nine hells so can an email
application.
 
A

Adahn

and no,
So that, assuming they take the suggestion of letting us organize our NNTP
subscriptions the way we want to, we might be seeing "Newsgroups »
Microsoft » Vista » Mail" up there in the address bar right now, for
example.

the suggestion is not tied to newsgroups accounts whatsoever :p just an
example
 
A

Adahn

and no,
So that, assuming they take the suggestion of letting us organize our NNTP
subscriptions the way we want to, we might be seeing "Newsgroups »
Microsoft » Vista » Mail" up there in the address bar right now, for
example.

the suggestion is not tied to newsgroups accounts whatsoever :p just an
example
 
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Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)

You need to sort Windows Mail out Adahn, it keeps double posting ;o)

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A

Adahn

It's a bug!!
I think, if you have set it to autosend on compose and you look for new
messages while it's doing that there'll be two copies on the way out -_-"

They should put up some server-side filtering already for obvious stuff like
this
 
A

Andre Da Costa [Extended64]

Huh, Media Player 11 has an address bar? The last time I checked, its using
tabs, and list with links to folders called libraries with links to
different ways to find and filter music, such as Artiste, Album, Year,
Genre. I don't see any Bread crumb address bar in Media Player, but there is
a Search box which works similarly to Windows Mail's Word Wheel. :)
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A

Adahn

Huh, Media Player 11 has an address bar? The last time I checked, its
using tabs, and list with links to folders called libraries with links to
different ways to find and filter music, such as Artiste, Album, Year,
Genre. I don't see any Bread crumb address bar in Media Player, but there
is a Search box which works similarly to Windows Mail's Word Wheel. :)

don't know which build you last checked it on, but on 5270 you can see
something like "Music » My Library » Songs" in the corner, and if that's not
called breadcrumb navigation I'm not gonna go digging for whatever cool term
MS has cooked up this time

That's just one inconsistent UI element.
Whatever you say man, no one will deny that the current Windows Mail looks
out of place in Vista, unless they're trying to cover up the design team's
half-hearted laziness.
 
A

Adahn

Maybe its because you are still on dead code and need to move from 5270 to

Nothing worth downloading it if one goes by the reviews so far, and
considering that I'm using 5270 as my primary OS I'd rather just wait for
the public build due in April before pulling back out to XP for good until
getting a MacIntel as my next machine :)
 
S

Steve Cochran

You can probably set up an interface in WIndows itself to access the
messages in the way you wish. The messages are now stored as individual
files in directories that match the folder names, so you should be able to
sort the messages outside of WinMail that way.

steve
 

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