Windows Mail complaints

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Windows Mail is driving me crazy. I used OE on my XP Pro, with no problems.
I successfully moved my folders to Windows Mail, and set up the accounts. No
problem. But (a) When I click "Create Mail", I sometimes have to wait for up
to a minute for the window, which does come up immediately, to change from
"not responding" to a state that lets me begin to compose the email. Also,
(b) After a spell check, OE remembered the words I told it to "Ignore all",
but now every subsequent spell check, including when I "Send" makes me deal
with the words again. Not "show-stoppers", but super annoying. I have Vista
Home Premium on a very fast laptop. Anyone have a solution, or are these
just bugs I have to live with until they are fixed? Thanks, Paul
 
I agree. Half the time I try to post about a bug in Vista (and I'm surprised
at the number I'm seeing in the UI; unfortunately, I can't recall a single
UI bug that MS has ever fixed in a hotfix or service pack...this is stuff
like focus being highly inconsistent and window sizes spontaneously),
Windows Main flat out hangs, and I lose my post. Other than that, it's OE
with all it's bad aspects. Only improvement for me (besides appearance) is
the option to turn off the New Newsgroups modal dialog that always pops up.

Here's another really annoying one: if you try to reply to someone directly
in WM, it will walk you through the entire email identity wizard before
telling you that WM no longer supports HTTP mail and dumping you out. Gotta
love that!
 
Paul H said:
(b) After a spell check, OE remembered the words I told it to "Ignore
all",
but now every subsequent spell check, including when I "Send" makes me
deal
with the words again. Not "show-stoppers", but super annoying. I have
Vista
Home Premium on a very fast laptop. Anyone have a solution, or are these
just bugs I have to live with until they are fixed? Thanks, Paul
Click to expand...

You can ignore a word ONCE or you can ignore all those words in THAT email
and THAT email only.

If you want your spell check to think that word is OK all the time then you
need to ADD the word to your dictionary.

Click ADD.
 
There shouldn't be a delay when you click "Create Mail" - I don't have it.
An invisible but major improvement in WinMail is eradication of OE's flakey
quirk of losing all the emails every once in a while for this person or that one,
each of whom invariably never had the message store backed up. Why don't
you holler for help in the WinMail newsgroup? They may have suggestions:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail
 
I never lost mail either, but the "Help, all my messages are missing," was an
irritating frequent plea in the OE group because the messages were likely
unrecoverable - no help was possible. http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#4
furnishes some possibilities for recovery. The data structure in WinMail
has been completely redesigned to be considerably less brittle than OE's.
 
There shouldn't be a delay when you click "Create Mail"

Well, there is for a lot users. I have been dealing with
this same problem since RC2. I have tried numerous things
to fix it. I think WinMail is beta junk. I am disappointed it was
ever allowed to be put in Vista in such condition.

Outlook Express never seemed this bad.


-Michael
 
Paul H said:
Windows Mail is driving me crazy. I used OE on my XP Pro, with no problems.
I successfully moved my folders to Windows Mail, and set up the accounts. No
problem. But (a) When I click "Create Mail", I sometimes have to wait for up
to a minute for the window, which does come up immediately, to change from
"not responding" to a state that lets me begin to compose the email. Also,
(b) After a spell check, OE remembered the words I told it to "Ignore all",
but now every subsequent spell check, including when I "Send" makes me deal
with the words again. Not "show-stoppers", but super annoying. I have Vista
Home Premium on a very fast laptop. Anyone have a solution, or are these
just bugs I have to live with until they are fixed? Thanks, Paul
Click to expand...

There is a "delay" for a lot of folks using Windows Mail when
composing and replying. I have seen this delay since RC2,
and not in any prior beta build.
Like you said, the window may pop up right away, but you can't do
anything for awhile. Do you also have a delay when you try
to highlight text in a reply window to cut or copy? I do.
This used to drive me crazy trying to figure out what the problem
was. I've tried numerous things. I have found that after having
WinMail open for about 30 minutes to an hour, the "delay" goes away.

I never thought I would say this, but Windows Mail is far worse than
Outlook Express ever was. I don't care what supposedly was done
to it to make it "better", but it really blows. I am amazed WinMail was
put into Vista in this condition. I really feel like I am using a beta product.
Pathetic is the only word I can muster to describe Windows Mail.

Luckily, I use Outlook for email and only use WinMail for newsgroups.


Take care,

Michael
 
the delay maybe caused by the size of your data store.
I do notice if I allow mine to stay large and NOT COMPACTED, WM seems to slow down a bit.

(e-mail address removed)



Windows Mail is driving me crazy. I used OE on my XP Pro, with no problems.
I successfully moved my folders to Windows Mail, and set up the accounts. No
problem. But (a) When I click "Create Mail", I sometimes have to wait for up
to a minute for the window, which does come up immediately, to change from
"not responding" to a state that lets me begin to compose the email. Also,
(b) After a spell check, OE remembered the words I told it to "Ignore all",
but now every subsequent spell check, including when I "Send" makes me deal
with the words again. Not "show-stoppers", but super annoying. I have Vista
Home Premium on a very fast laptop. Anyone have a solution, or are these
just bugs I have to live with until they are fixed? Thanks, Paul
 
Thanks MICHAEL. I do also have a delay when I click on "To" or "Cc:", etc.
One more annoying characteristic. But I'm most annoyed by the "Ignore all"
bug.



Paul H said:
Windows Mail is driving me crazy. I used OE on my XP Pro, with no
problems.
I successfully moved my folders to Windows Mail, and set up the accounts.
No
problem. But (a) When I click "Create Mail", I sometimes have to wait for
up
to a minute for the window, which does come up immediately, to change from
"not responding" to a state that lets me begin to compose the email. Also,
(b) After a spell check, OE remembered the words I told it to "Ignore
all",
but now every subsequent spell check, including when I "Send" makes me
deal
with the words again. Not "show-stoppers", but super annoying. I have
Vista
Home Premium on a very fast laptop. Anyone have a solution, or are these
just bugs I have to live with until they are fixed? Thanks, Paul
Click to expand...

There is a "delay" for a lot of folks using Windows Mail when
composing and replying. I have seen this delay since RC2,
and not in any prior beta build.
Like you said, the window may pop up right away, but you can't do
anything for awhile. Do you also have a delay when you try
to highlight text in a reply window to cut or copy? I do.
This used to drive me crazy trying to figure out what the problem
was. I've tried numerous things. I have found that after having
WinMail open for about 30 minutes to an hour, the "delay" goes away.

I never thought I would say this, but Windows Mail is far worse than
Outlook Express ever was. I don't care what supposedly was done
to it to make it "better", but it really blows. I am amazed WinMail was
put into Vista in this condition. I really feel like I am using a beta
product.
Pathetic is the only word I can muster to describe Windows Mail.

Luckily, I use Outlook for email and only use WinMail for newsgroups.


Take care,

Michael
 
MICHAEL said:
Well, there is for a lot users. I have been dealing with
this same problem since RC2. I have tried numerous things
to fix it. I think WinMail is beta junk. I am disappointed it was
ever allowed to be put in Vista in such condition.

Outlook Express never seemed this bad.
Click to expand...

Outlook Express is quicker, so much so that I shun WinMail, but
I know to have OE's data store in a non-system partition and have
a complete clone handy in case OE needs to be resurrected.

The OE MVPs badgered MS for years to make OE better. Tom
Koch may be too burnt out to swing over to supporting WinMail.
Don't store messages in your inbox. Move the store. To compact
get WMUtil: http://www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/Default.aspx

I don't see the posts saying that WinMail cut out - quit working.
These posts used to be common about OE. I think the kvetch
and nag campaign to improve microsoft internet news & mail
got reset and needs a troop surge, but I won't be an MVP.
 
ignore is for that spell check session not for any other.
to fix it you need to do as was suggested, add the words to the dictionary.
what I have done.
even for words that I want to be capitalized differently/



(e-mail address removed)




Thanks MICHAEL. I do also have a delay when I click on "To" or "Cc:", etc.
One more annoying characteristic. But I'm most annoyed by the "Ignore all"
bug.



Paul H said:
Windows Mail is driving me crazy. I used OE on my XP Pro, with no
problems.
I successfully moved my folders to Windows Mail, and set up the accounts.
No
problem. But (a) When I click "Create Mail", I sometimes have to wait for
up
to a minute for the window, which does come up immediately, to change from
"not responding" to a state that lets me begin to compose the email. Also,
(b) After a spell check, OE remembered the words I told it to "Ignore
all",
but now every subsequent spell check, including when I "Send" makes me
deal
with the words again. Not "show-stoppers", but super annoying. I have
Vista
Home Premium on a very fast laptop. Anyone have a solution, or are these
just bugs I have to live with until they are fixed? Thanks, Paul
Click to expand...

There is a "delay" for a lot of folks using Windows Mail when
composing and replying. I have seen this delay since RC2,
and not in any prior beta build.
Like you said, the window may pop up right away, but you can't do
anything for awhile. Do you also have a delay when you try
to highlight text in a reply window to cut or copy? I do.
This used to drive me crazy trying to figure out what the problem
was. I've tried numerous things. I have found that after having
WinMail open for about 30 minutes to an hour, the "delay" goes away.

I never thought I would say this, but Windows Mail is far worse than
Outlook Express ever was. I don't care what supposedly was done
to it to make it "better", but it really blows. I am amazed WinMail was
put into Vista in this condition. I really feel like I am using a beta
product.
Pathetic is the only word I can muster to describe Windows Mail.

Luckily, I use Outlook for email and only use WinMail for newsgroups.


Take care,

Michael
 
OE didn't make me add goofy words, that I use one time, to my dictionary.


ignore is for that spell check session not for any other.
to fix it you need to do as was suggested, add the words to the dictionary.
what I have done.
even for words that I want to be capitalized differently/



(e-mail address removed)




Thanks MICHAEL. I do also have a delay when I click on "To" or "Cc:", etc.
One more annoying characteristic. But I'm most annoyed by the "Ignore all"
bug.



Paul H said:
Windows Mail is driving me crazy. I used OE on my XP Pro, with no
problems.
I successfully moved my folders to Windows Mail, and set up the accounts.
No
problem. But (a) When I click "Create Mail", I sometimes have to wait for
up
to a minute for the window, which does come up immediately, to change from
"not responding" to a state that lets me begin to compose the email. Also,
(b) After a spell check, OE remembered the words I told it to "Ignore
all",
but now every subsequent spell check, including when I "Send" makes me
deal
with the words again. Not "show-stoppers", but super annoying. I have
Vista
Home Premium on a very fast laptop. Anyone have a solution, or are these
just bugs I have to live with until they are fixed? Thanks, Paul
Click to expand...

There is a "delay" for a lot of folks using Windows Mail when
composing and replying. I have seen this delay since RC2,
and not in any prior beta build.
Like you said, the window may pop up right away, but you can't do
anything for awhile. Do you also have a delay when you try
to highlight text in a reply window to cut or copy? I do.
This used to drive me crazy trying to figure out what the problem
was. I've tried numerous things. I have found that after having
WinMail open for about 30 minutes to an hour, the "delay" goes away.

I never thought I would say this, but Windows Mail is far worse than
Outlook Express ever was. I don't care what supposedly was done
to it to make it "better", but it really blows. I am amazed WinMail was
put into Vista in this condition. I really feel like I am using a beta
product.
Pathetic is the only word I can muster to describe Windows Mail.

Luckily, I use Outlook for email and only use WinMail for newsgroups.


Take care,

Michael
 
but you are not using OE.
never in my over 5 years of using OE did I NEVER have to deal with the same word more than once.
without adding it to my custom dictionary.



(e-mail address removed)




OE didn't make me add goofy words, that I use one time, to my dictionary.


ignore is for that spell check session not for any other.
to fix it you need to do as was suggested, add the words to the dictionary.
what I have done.
even for words that I want to be capitalized differently/



(e-mail address removed)




Thanks MICHAEL. I do also have a delay when I click on "To" or "Cc:", etc.
One more annoying characteristic. But I'm most annoyed by the "Ignore all"
bug.



Paul H said:
Windows Mail is driving me crazy. I used OE on my XP Pro, with no
problems.
I successfully moved my folders to Windows Mail, and set up the accounts.
No
problem. But (a) When I click "Create Mail", I sometimes have to wait for
up
to a minute for the window, which does come up immediately, to change from
"not responding" to a state that lets me begin to compose the email. Also,
(b) After a spell check, OE remembered the words I told it to "Ignore
all",
but now every subsequent spell check, including when I "Send" makes me
deal
with the words again. Not "show-stoppers", but super annoying. I have
Vista
Home Premium on a very fast laptop. Anyone have a solution, or are these
just bugs I have to live with until they are fixed? Thanks, Paul
Click to expand...

There is a "delay" for a lot of folks using Windows Mail when
composing and replying. I have seen this delay since RC2,
and not in any prior beta build.
Like you said, the window may pop up right away, but you can't do
anything for awhile. Do you also have a delay when you try
to highlight text in a reply window to cut or copy? I do.
This used to drive me crazy trying to figure out what the problem
was. I've tried numerous things. I have found that after having
WinMail open for about 30 minutes to an hour, the "delay" goes away.

I never thought I would say this, but Windows Mail is far worse than
Outlook Express ever was. I don't care what supposedly was done
to it to make it "better", but it really blows. I am amazed WinMail was
put into Vista in this condition. I really feel like I am using a beta
product.
Pathetic is the only word I can muster to describe Windows Mail.

Luckily, I use Outlook for email and only use WinMail for newsgroups.


Take care,

Michael
 
Michael Jennings said:
Outlook Express is quicker, so much so that I shun WinMail, but
I know to have OE's data store in a non-system partition and have
a complete clone handy in case OE needs to be resurrected.

The OE MVPs badgered MS for years to make OE better. Tom
Koch may be too burnt out to swing over to supporting WinMail.
Don't store messages in your inbox. Move the store. To compact
get WMUtil: http://www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/Default.aspx

I don't see the posts saying that WinMail cut out - quit working.
These posts used to be common about OE. I think the kvetch
and nag campaign to improve microsoft internet news & mail
got reset and needs a troop surge, but I won't be an MVP.
Click to expand...

WM compacts on it's own. You don't need a another app to do it.

I don't understand the direction MS is going with their mail apps. It
doesn't make any sense. Both WM and WLMd use the same engine and where
developed at the same time yet WLMd continues to development and is leaps
and bounds better then WM. Then you have a third project in the works
currently called Outlook Express Live. WTF???

I agree, WM is far from done and has too many problems.

The biggest problem I have is I'll be at home and check my mail via IMAP.
I'll delete my spam and other emails I do not want then I'll get to work and
POP3 them to my machine. All the emails I deleted will download.

However, WLMd does that as well.

It flags them as deleted and moves them to the deleted items folder (in a
virtual sense) however they're still there. I get many calls about this
one.
 
MICHAEL said:
There is a "delay" for a lot of folks using Windows Mail when
composing and replying. I have seen this delay since RC2,
and not in any prior beta build.
Like you said, the window may pop up right away, but you can't do
anything for awhile. Do you also have a delay when you try
to highlight text in a reply window to cut or copy? I do.
This used to drive me crazy trying to figure out what the problem
was. I've tried numerous things. I have found that after having
WinMail open for about 30 minutes to an hour, the "delay" goes away.

I never thought I would say this, but Windows Mail is far worse than
Outlook Express ever was. I don't care what supposedly was done
to it to make it "better", but it really blows. I am amazed WinMail was
put into Vista in this condition. I really feel like I am using a beta
product.
Pathetic is the only word I can muster to describe Windows Mail.

Luckily, I use Outlook for email and only use WinMail for newsgroups.
Click to expand...

Having been on the beta for both Vista and WLMd, the only explanation I can
come up with is that the OE team purposely stopped development of WM in
favor for WLMd. Usually when I submitted a bug for one, I'd have to submit
it for both as they would both have the same problem. WLMd would get fixed
right away and WM would "maybe" get fixed later.
 
It sounds like you're talking about "Ignore", not "Ignore all"...


but you are not using OE.
never in my over 5 years of using OE did I NEVER have to deal with the same word more than once.
without adding it to my custom dictionary.

(e-mail address removed)




OE didn't make me add goofy words, that I use one time, to my dictionary.


ignore is for that spell check session not for any other.
to fix it you need to do as was suggested, add the words to the dictionary.
what I have done.
even for words that I want to be capitalized differently/



(e-mail address removed)




Thanks MICHAEL. I do also have a delay when I click on "To" or "Cc:", etc.
One more annoying characteristic. But I'm most annoyed by the "Ignore all"
bug.



Paul H said:
Windows Mail is driving me crazy. I used OE on my XP Pro, with no
problems.
I successfully moved my folders to Windows Mail, and set up the accounts.
No
problem. But (a) When I click "Create Mail", I sometimes have to wait for
up
to a minute for the window, which does come up immediately, to change from
"not responding" to a state that lets me begin to compose the email. Also,
(b) After a spell check, OE remembered the words I told it to "Ignore
all",
but now every subsequent spell check, including when I "Send" makes me
deal
with the words again. Not "show-stoppers", but super annoying. I have
Vista
Home Premium on a very fast laptop. Anyone have a solution, or are these
just bugs I have to live with until they are fixed? Thanks, Paul
Click to expand...

There is a "delay" for a lot of folks using Windows Mail when
composing and replying. I have seen this delay since RC2,
and not in any prior beta build.
Like you said, the window may pop up right away, but you can't do
anything for awhile. Do you also have a delay when you try
to highlight text in a reply window to cut or copy? I do.
This used to drive me crazy trying to figure out what the problem
was. I've tried numerous things. I have found that after having
WinMail open for about 30 minutes to an hour, the "delay" goes away.

I never thought I would say this, but Windows Mail is far worse than
Outlook Express ever was. I don't care what supposedly was done
to it to make it "better", but it really blows. I am amazed WinMail was
put into Vista in this condition. I really feel like I am using a beta
product.
Pathetic is the only word I can muster to describe Windows Mail.

Luckily, I use Outlook for email and only use WinMail for newsgroups.


Take care,

Michael
 
Having been on the beta for both Vista and WLMd, the only explanation I can
come up with is that the OE team purposely stopped development of WM in
favor for WLMd. Usually when I submitted a bug for one, I'd have to submit
it for both as they would both have the same problem. WLMd would get fixed
right away and WM would "maybe" get fixed later.
Click to expand...

I totally agree, Justin.
I have stated the same thing before.


-Michael
 
Justin said:
WM compacts on it's own. You don't need a another app to do it.
Click to expand...

They took out the compact buttons in properties that OE had. WM does
not compact when you tell it to without a bit of assistance. The OP was
complaining about performance. Try compacting. Oop - can't do that.
I don't understand the direction MS is going with their mail apps. It
doesn't make any sense. Both WM and WLMd use the same engine and where
developed at the same time yet WLMd continues to development and is leaps
and bounds better then WM. Then you have a third project in the works
currently called Outlook Express Live. WTF???
Click to expand...

OE has some credibility - if WinMail is picking up consumer resistance,
it would make sense to ease it out in favor of an accepted brand name.
Maybe it's like chip making, where you have three production lines going -
the formerly current, the current, and the soon to be current.
I agree, WM is far from done and has too many problems.

The biggest problem I have is I'll be at home and check my mail via IMAP.
I'll delete my spam and other emails I do not want then I'll get to work and
POP3 them to my machine. All the emails I deleted will download.

However, WLMd does that as well.

It flags them as deleted and moves them to the deleted items folder (in a
virtual sense) however they're still there. I get many calls about this
one.
Click to expand...

With MMM3 you can delete on the server without downloading. My
outdated documentation is left over from the Swen virus outbreak.
http://users.rcn.com/michaeljennings/MMM3.html
You wouldn't want version 2.94b11; current version is 2.94b15.
If you feel inclined to see if it's useful: http://mmm3.sourceforge.net/
 
Michael Jennings said:
They took out the compact buttons in properties that OE had. WM does
not compact when you tell it to without a bit of assistance. The OP was
complaining about performance. Try compacting. Oop - can't do that.
Click to expand...

Sure you can. Change the setting to 1 and exit. Click yes. Then change it
back before you drive yourself nuts.
 
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