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Tom Emmelot

And then as the whole world is using this free version of AV and all the
other companies are closed then they start to ask you again to pay for
it! ;)

Regards >*< TOM >*<

Bill Sanderson schreef:
 
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robinb

and the Martians land on earth too :p

robin

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Tom Emmelot said:
And then as the whole world is using this free version of AV and all the
other companies are closed then they start to ask you again to pay for it!
;)

Regards >*< TOM >*<

Bill Sanderson schreef:
 
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Bill Sanderson

Do you want to get Steve Ballmer to say that won't happen? If so, I'd write
to him. I don't think that will happen. Microsoft wants people to buy
Windows and to maintain the value of Windows as a brand, product, and
platform. Making viruses, spyware, and other malicious code far less of an
issue is important to that effort. They'll turn a profit on the server
protection and managed anti-malware clients for corporate use.


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Stu

I`m sorry to butt in here but can anyone tell me why I can never revert my
system (easily) following a registry cleaner run? System restore never works
so I have opted for ERUNT. Right now I would rather plod on with a bloated
registry than suffer the consequences of having a house clean. Your
experience with Office would seem to support my theory Bill.

Stu
 
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Kayman

I`m sorry to butt in here but can anyone tell me why I can never revert my
system (easily) following a registry cleaner run?

AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry Cleaner?
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
Note the comments from Mark Russinovich and the reference concerning ERUNT.

Why I don¢t use registry cleaners!
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html

Use instead:
CCleaner - Free
Cleans temporary internet files, cookies, history, recent urls, application
MRUs, etc. ... (*Tune out the registry scanning/fixing option!*)
http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
The toolbar offered during installation is not required.
If Windows Defender is utilized go to Applications, under Utilities
uncheck "Windows Defender" (so it won't delete the history of WD);
Followed by:
NTREGOPT
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/
System restore never works

Probably caused by using 'registry cleaner'.
Here are some troubleshooting steps to take when System Restore fails to
restore:
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srfail.html
so I have opted for ERUNT.

A very good utility which has its place but no substitute for System
Restore.
Right now I would rather plod on with a bloated registry

'Bloated' registry items are not impairing the performance on Windows NT.
Offering registry cleaners to the average user is irresponsible and are
nothing but snake oil! (Which includes 3rd party PFW's as well).
than suffer the consequences of having a house clean.

Good housekeeping/cleaning/maintaining the operating system should not
include any registry cleaners.
(Leave these applications to the 'experts').
 
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Bill Sanderson

Kayman knows far more about this than I do, and I'd follow his advice.

The reason I was able to reverse what the "safety.live.com" registry cleaner
had done was that it saves its changes as a .REG file, so you can simply
apply that file to the registry and reverse what it has done. However, this
fact is not included in any of the help for the product, as I recall, so you
need to have been told by Microsoft where to find the critter.....

I've consistently challenged users who tell me that a registry cleaner makes
a noticeable performance difference on their system, and I've only had one
response where I think that the user might be right: This was a developer
who regularly debugs installation packages for his code. In his case, he is
constantly creating and removing registry entries for his test packages, and
it seems possible to me that he might see a performance change--probably
specifically in that work--after cleaning the registry.

I'll do it occasionally, but I've never found any measurable benefit, and
sometimes seen issues--as I posted. Even CCleaner, which is well maintained
and responsive, needs care in using, as Kayman's post notes.
 
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robinb

"> Use instead:
CCleaner - Free
Cleans temporary internet files, cookies, history, recent urls,
application
MRUs, etc. ... (*Tune out the registry scanning/fixing option!*)
http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
The toolbar offered during installation is not required.
If Windows Defender is utilized go to Applications, under Utilities
uncheck "Windows Defender" (so it won't delete the history of WD);

ccleaner is a good product to use- I use it all the time- staying away from
the registry side except for obsolete software" and there only if you know
what you are looking for.
and I agree with you- registry cleaners in hands of users who are totally
clueless is a very dangerous thing
one wrong click and you can wipe out the whole registry
robin
 
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Kayman

Kayman knows far more about this than I do, and I'd follow his advice.

Thanks Bill but hold your horses...it would certainly be remiss if I did
not give credit where credit was due; I am only a 'messenger' :)
What I know is merely based on experience (got bitten pretty badly using
registry cleaners and 3rd party PFW), reading pertinent articles by
accomplished experts, visiting good blogs and follow their advice; Though
you've got to pick the 'experts' :) Unfortunately these educational
articles are not widely enough distributed as they are perceived for not
having any commercial value; oh well.
Judging on the widely (mis)use of registry cleaners and 3rd party PFW's it
is evident that marketing *is* working. I therefore find it appropriate to
post "other" educational articles/information to users who rely too heavily
on advertisement hype which after analyzing hopefully should give them a
different perspective and considering their options more intelligently.
The reason I was able to reverse what the "safety.live.com" registry cleaner
had done was that it saves its changes as a .REG file, so you can simply
apply that file to the registry and reverse what it has done. However, this
fact is not included in any of the help for the product, as I recall, so you
need to have been told by Microsoft where to find the critter.....

I've worked for a multinational company all my working life. It is not
unusual that the department heads of these large organizations have
different goals (not to mention politics). A good example is of course
Microsoft offering to their average home user a 'safe' registry cleaner; I
don't think they (marketing department) consulted with Dr. Mark Russinovich
:)
I've consistently challenged users who tell me that a registry cleaner makes
a noticeable performance difference on their system, and I've only had one
response where I think that the user might be right: This was a developer
who regularly debugs installation packages for his code. In his case, he is
constantly creating and removing registry entries for his test packages, and
it seems possible to me that he might see a performance change--probably
specifically in that work--after cleaning the registry.

For somebody (program engineer) who knows the innards of an operating
system a good-quality registry cleaner is probably a useful tool.
I'll do it occasionally, but I've never found any measurable benefit, and
sometimes seen issues--as I posted. Even CCleaner, which is well maintained
and responsive, needs care in using, as Kayman's post notes.

Yes, this caution applies to virtually all 3rd party software which are not
an integral part of the original operating system; Some of these software
are badly coded which can play havoc with your pc.
 
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Stu

Thanks guys for the endorsements - links which support my bitter experiences
of past times. Nice to see that ERUNT is rated highly by MR as a registry
recovery utility. What has impressed me is that it `completely` backs up and
recovers your reg if things go wrong and does not merge existing entries with
old when restoring. Haven`t had the courage to try the opt function! Last
time I tried that was with Registry First Aid. All seemed to go well until
REBOOT TIME! It certainly increased the performance there. Didn`t have the
presence of mind to put a clock on it but it was very short and stopped
shortly after the POST screen and before the Black screen. You know? The one
that tells you NTLDR is missing? Windows has, if by magic, disappeared! You
know its on your HD somewhere but. How to get to it? <smile>

Stu
 
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Tom Emmelot

Hi Stu,

As a user and also a Beta tester of Registry First Aid, i use it for
several years, i never had that trouble, i use it special as somebody
has messed up his PC by removing programs the hard way and there are
problems with install end uninstall. The program always create a
complete register backup, before it starts to look in the registry,
I am rather successful with solving problems with this program. And if
you don't know what you are doing, stay away from the yellow and red
marks (default turned off!) I never had that problem that describe here,
it could happen, but that Reg4aid was the won that triggered that is not
sure. The last time i used it was with a Adobe version CS3 that was
messed up by the own installer, would not repair and would not uninstall
anymore, after a run of Reg4aid, took away about 8000 items, had to run
it 8 times (does 1000 items at ones) After that i could instal CS3 again.
So i use it on different PC's and most of the time with success to solve
a problem.

With Regards >*< TOM >*<


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