C
Colin Barnhorst
And your question is?
Windows 7 is now the code name for what used to be called Windows Code Name
Vienna. It is the next version of Windows. The "7" probably means it will
be Windows NT7. Windows 2000 is NT5.0, XP x86 is NT5.1, XP x64 is NT5.2,
and Vista is NT6. Work has been under way for a while on Windows 7.
Windows is a continuum of development stretching a good ten years into the
future. This is normal.
Windows 7 is now the code name for what used to be called Windows Code Name
Vienna. It is the next version of Windows. The "7" probably means it will
be Windows NT7. Windows 2000 is NT5.0, XP x86 is NT5.1, XP x64 is NT5.2,
and Vista is NT6. Work has been under way for a while on Windows 7.
Windows is a continuum of development stretching a good ten years into the
future. This is normal.
V
VanguardLH
in message
My guess is that he wants to further complain about Vista. He had a
bad experience with Vista and bitching about him wasn't getting him
any sympathy nor was it affecting sales of Vista. So his crusade was
failing. Now he thinks that mentioning the next version of Windows
that is some 4 years away is going to affect sales of Vista and maybe
he can hurt Microsoft that way for his inadequacy in choosing an OS in
the first place.
My guess is that he wants to further complain about Vista. He had a
bad experience with Vista and bitching about him wasn't getting him
any sympathy nor was it affecting sales of Vista. So his crusade was
failing. Now he thinks that mentioning the next version of Windows
that is some 4 years away is going to affect sales of Vista and maybe
he can hurt Microsoft that way for his inadequacy in choosing an OS in
the first place.
C
Colin Barnhorst
Oh I know. This is the beginning of the same sort of thing that went on
about how bad XP was and what a failure it was back when Longhorn was first
being mentioned in the press. Windows 7 is supposed to mean that MS is
giving up on Vista even though they are right on schedule with Windows Next
up to this point. I asked what his question was because I hate posts that
just contain links.
about how bad XP was and what a failure it was back when Longhorn was first
being mentioned in the press. Windows 7 is supposed to mean that MS is
giving up on Vista even though they are right on schedule with Windows Next
up to this point. I asked what his question was because I hate posts that
just contain links.
A
Avatar
Quite an interesting set of responses to my post! Actually the unspecified
question was - when is this version coming out?
Incidentally, I use Windows 2k Pro, Windows XP Pro as well as Windows Vista
concurrently on the machines in the household and have no complaints against
any one! I do say that Vista is top heavy with eye-candy, though.
Regards.
Avatar
question was - when is this version coming out?
Incidentally, I use Windows 2k Pro, Windows XP Pro as well as Windows Vista
concurrently on the machines in the household and have no complaints against
any one! I do say that Vista is top heavy with eye-candy, though.
Regards.
Avatar
U
Uncle Grumpy
Avatar said:
DAMN! Bad timing, m'friend.
You ask this JUST when my crystal ball is out for cleaning and
polishing!!
T
Thee Chicago Wolf
Oh I know. This is the beginning of the same sort of thing that went on
Dunno why they're calling it Windows 7. All I've read is under the
hood is it will actually be Windows 6.2.
- Thee Chicago Wolf
Dunno why they're calling it Windows 7. All I've read is under the
hood is it will actually be Windows 6.2.
- Thee Chicago Wolf
C
Colin Barnhorst
2H 2009 to 1H 2010 according a road map I have seen but that is just a
working target and not a commitment. At some point MS will commit due to
Software Assurance contracts current at that time.
working target and not a commitment. At some point MS will commit due to
Software Assurance contracts current at that time.
D
DanS
Hmmm. Why do people keep saying that....that when XP was first released is
was really bad.
Maybe to help Vista not turn out like Windows Me ? (I am *not* saying Vista
is the new WinME. Only time will tell.)
Because XP wasn't bad at all at it's initial release. I don't think anyone
I know, when upgraded to XP, didn't want to keep it.
Yes, there was some issues with drivers, but not to the extent seen with
the release of Vista. If a device had an NT driver, chances were better
than not, that the NT driver would work satisfactorily in XP.
Win 3.11
Windows95...step forward.
Windows98...small step forward.
WindowsME...well...at least one step backward in terms of stability &
compat.
WindowsXP...good step forward from 98...several forward from ME.
Windows Vista...a lateral step from XP...at best...for many, seen as just a
new theme.
Next, Windows 7..hmmm. I can't even begin to imagine. I mean, how much more
eye candy can you add, how many more popular 3rd party apps will be stolen
and added as 'part of the OS' ? What else can you add ?
How about going the other way....how much can we remove in an *attempt* to
make a lean, stable, secure OS ? (I'm sure it could be severly
'muntzed'...if any of you are old enough to remember that term....if not
see: http://www.smecc.org/mad_man_muntz!.htm)
OR, like 98Lite/vLite/micro98, maybe MS could create an installer that
let's you easily choose ONLY what parts of the OS you want installed ? Why
install stuff that's never going to be used and just complicates the
configuration ?
C
Colin Barnhorst
I don't know why folks said XP was really bad. I just know that there is a
cadre of MS haters who do that with every new Windows release. They always
hate the new one and love the old one (the same one they used to claim to
hate) just to dramatize their point.
cadre of MS haters who do that with every new Windows release. They always
hate the new one and love the old one (the same one they used to claim to
hate) just to dramatize their point.
J
John H Meyers
The "Y2K" bug must have caused Windows 2000 to have been forgotten
ISTR an "NT" as well.
Thanks for this summary & perspective.
--
M
mayayana
It's become the party line to dismiss any criticism
of MS as just the "typical whining that happens with
every release". Personally, I do think XP is bad. Win98
is fine. Win200 is fine. XP is bloated, spyware riddled,
and runs a number of services by default that are
unnecessary security risks. RPC, which is nothing but
a useless risk on a standalone machine, must be left
running or the whole thing goes down! In Win98 I can
just delete it. In NT they made it integral to the
system. That's a grave flaw to my mind.
In general, I loved MS software up until about 2001.
Since then it just keeps getting worse. The bloat...
the restrictions...the attempts at improved security.
And especially the Product Activation. That alone -
having to ask MS for permission to use the product
I bought - was enough to make me avoid Windows
Xtra Problems (as though I needed another reason).
XP is noticeably more capable and efficent than Win98
at handling a number of processes, but for me that
doesn't make up for the problems. I've actually been
fiddling with XP lately, trying to arrive at a reasonably
safe, private and lean configuration so that I can use
it online as safely as Win98. (I know that sounds counter-
intuitive, but it's not. Microsoft has been claiming for years
that each new OS is safer than the last, but that's only
true - if at all - for completely inexperienced people.)
I'm amazed at how much useless crap can be removed
from XP. I've taken a default OEM install from about 3 GB
down to about 1 GB! And that's not just shovelware. Much
of it is junk that's in XP by default.
So I don't think it's entirely true that people just whine
about changes. Microsoft has made extreme changes
to Windows in the past few years. They've changed their
whole direction, and that has fundamentally changed what
Windows is. Some of us don't like that new direction.
Interestingly, though, there is one case of complaining
with every release: Microsoft themselves! Every time
they come out with a new Windows they market it by
saying the last one was bad, so people should buy the new
one.
D
DanS
Here's what you do to make XP relatively safe for online use..
Don't use IE, do FireFox (and install the AdBlockPlus plug-in which does a
phenomenal job, keep Java-script enabled, and disable java), or Opera, or
anything, but not IE. Don't use OE. There are a lot better e-mail programs
out there. Those 2 things are the cause for most of the security problems
in XP.
My XP, at a fresh boot, has 22 processes running, this includes 3 processes
for AVG, and 2 for GoogleDesktopSearch. I also use a (somewhat)
minimalistic shell replacement I wrote instead of explorer.exe and that
runs at about a steady 8meg RAM footprint.
I wholeheartedly agree, and I just made a post about that yesterday in that
'other' group. Ridiculous.
Regards,
DanS
M
mayayana
Actually I avoid script wherever possible. I don't need
it much, but I did notice there's a Firefox plugin called
NoScript that allows one to disable script in general and
then enable only for specific websites. The only problem
there is that a lot of online trouble is now coming from
compromised sites that are regarded as "respectable".
Interesting. That means I should have 17 maximum.
I started looking into all of this and have been working
on a little multi-HTA utility for quick XP clean-up/
configuration. So far I've found 58 services that I
definitely don't need! And most are unnecessary, at
best, for anyone on a stand-alone system. I haven't
actually counted the services that are left, though.
I just don't see why MS keeps pretending that all PCs
are network workstations. Time after time their risky
services intended for corporate intranet use get
everyone else into trouble.
I'd be interested to see a list, if you have it, of
exactly what services ARE necessary.
D
DanS
I've seen several people post a url or that info, but I found this one. It
seems pretty informative, at least. Along the left hand side are links for
the pages for service info....
http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/winxp.htm
Regards,
DanS
O
Onsokumaru
mayayana said:
You can disable java script under the options/content tab in Firefox.
There is a useful add on called Flashblock that blocks flash content.
All you need to do is click on an icon in the website to see that particular
flash object - navigation menus and such.
Combined with the inbuilt image blocker, my web browsing is much more
peacful now ;-)
I think if you google there are some sites dedicated to this.
W
William Bunch
Well here is my 2 cents.....
My first system was a 900MHz WIndows 98 SE system that yes took forever to
load and then was limited in graphics.
I love Ubuntu's icons....However I don't have time to keep what do they call
it yeah compiling code or taking time out to read 400 websites to get
support for it. Apple is no better, but they have better graphics.
When I first seen XP I could not afford it. So over time as all things do I
waited and finally I bought an E-Machine from Wal-Mart (the only store in 50
mile radius at the time) It was great 2.66GHz Celeron Processor some low end
RAM Yeah!!!! (Being a farm boy yet understanding the need to advance in
technology beyond where I was at in order to get out of the area was
critical). I remember walking back home (pushing a cart lol) The joys of CRT
Monitor is just perfect.
Jumping ahead......
I loved XP it was for me POWER. I hated the look of 98 and 2000 ehhh. I
wondered if Microsoft could do better?
XP Pro is of course designed for businesses, but most people refer to PRO as
"XP" ahh no. With the new Home Server it is wise that Microsoft is thinking
in terms of networks for home users. I will agree XP Home deployed some
technologies that needed to be redundant for people like my self that would
not know to turn a service on to use the program. The restarts are what kill
me.
I love the new theme in Vista and I found Home Premium at a great price so I
will upgrade my OS soon I just wished Microsoft would list more specific
items in the comparing side of things. I am left wondering does Vista Home
Basic and Premium support Dynamic Disks? Does Vista Home Basic rival and out
perform in all areas more so than XP Pro? I thought about NOT upgrading
until Windows 7. I mean what is the point in right now having a system that
can even support 2 cores much less 4 or higher unless your running a server?
Is there a list of programs other than OS's that use multi-threads? I mean
if I only use one cpu and very little on another why would I use a Core2Duo
when a Pentium Dual core 3.6 GHz will do the job? Just upgrade the RAM.
I also think XP put hardware companies like Nvidia and ASUS to work making
better Graphics Cards since Hardware runs the industry not software yes I
said that. Back in the day servers ran using two CPUs not cores two actual
Pentium or AMD Chips. so really the dual core market has not changed much
just its execution. I want to see a real challenge for hardware companies a
socket that is vendor neutral (listen open source people) Imagine buying a
AMD or Intel chip no matter if it is PGA or LGA keep the interface area a
virtual liquid so any chip can be inserted at any time when your done with
one chip take it out the panel would reheat and liquidize the material and
accept another chip. Renewable, Powerful, and very doable. Vista runs well
on any Machine that runs XP Pro well, Yes I said that. Vista is not bloated
Compared to other OS designs. Linux ahhh ok lets compile code and insert
plug-ins and then include all the software needed to run day to day things
and see how big it is. The architecture is different yes it may use RAM or
HDD in another fashion but straight out of the box even Firefox NEEDS
plug-ins. I have used IE6 and now IE7 with no lag no issues. I use XP Pro to
encrypt files that are important I use WLOC and Ad-aware along with a
Hardware Cisco Firewall so good luck breaking that. Security is not an
issue.....End-Users are the issue....I know I am one. I did not understand
that a cable modem connected directly to my Ethernet adapter with no
firewall etc could be come a zombie.....zombie what yeah. After my and still
advancement through this computer world I don't know everything but I do
know combining Corporate Security and Home Security is good. I have taken
Network+, A+, and now training my self for multiple MCE Courses. 70-293,
70-291 etc I don't know everything but I have worked closely with computers
since 98SE and love them. Look at the "junk" in XP as advancements for the
future so instead of running out to find that driver and recompile and all
that mess that home users don't need to mess with as a luxury.
Granted Windows 98, Win2K, XP, and now Vista are big but not bloated Compare
Windows XP to Damn Small Linux WOW so big. Now compare the people that use
Damn Small Linux to the people that use Windows XP. Take into account
college that is IT based, Life Skills and use ability from that persons view
point. I have a lot of spare time compared to a single mom of three. Can a
single mom of three with no computer training sit down install Ubuntu and
use it with out issues on a day to day basis? ahh I can't. Windows is based
for the masses not the MIT Grad. I find all the pop ups in Windows annoying
sometimes but then I think about that single mom that needs a new job to pay
for food and gas alone not to mention a house. I understand why Windows is
like it is. Bottom line your unhappy with Windows get Linux I am sure you
will find something to bitch about there too. BTW Firefox has issues too.
What I want from Microsoft is to make just three versions of OS. One for the
single mom of three, One for people like me, and another for the business
and MIT Grad.
Windows Vista Home Basic and Home Premium are okay (bases of of
advertisements) I would have made Vista HOME that's it. When you install the
OS it has simple and advanced. Normal Joe would install Simple Vista ie
basic. Advanced would have three setting IT PRO, Business Oriented, and the
last one Proficient XP Pro User.
These would segment the users so that Mr. accountant can VPN to the office
but Mary mom of three of course would have no use for that feature. This
would allow users to upgrade the OS to match the educational level of the
individual. The next version would be Windows Business which would come
default with several licensing types. Upon install the OS would ask you
Small, Medium, or Large. After than it needs to know where your installing
it Sever side or Client side again Small companies would install small and
so on. This product will only be issued to companies or people who have a
business license since tech-support will be different. Then you have the
extremist your gamers and IT fix it people along with other people who just
want the best and can afford it. Windows Xtream. It would be based on OpenGL
or Direct X or both depending on hardware. It would be written in 64 bit and
utilize full 4 core processing. In other words designed to run games and
powerful CAD far surpassing Xbox 360 Elite and Playstation 3. Have 4 cores
split them use 2 for Half Life and 2 for World of War Craft at the same
time. You should have quad SLI by this time and dual or quad monitors I mean
you're a gamer lets go. Lan games would never be the same.
That is how I would build an OS. You can't use the same OS for everything. I
have never seen a gamer use Win2K but a lot of Businesses still do. I have
never seen a home user use Vista Business. Because they where not designed
for that much like Linux is trying to come in to the home but being very
unfriendly to the average user it will not work. Like wise I wonder if
Business people use the Aero Desktop....I would think that it requires to
much for average businesses to employ Aero on every client machine not to
mention Tech support would most likely quit.
My take on systems and hardware and OS's, but I am only a far boy.
My first system was a 900MHz WIndows 98 SE system that yes took forever to
load and then was limited in graphics.
I love Ubuntu's icons....However I don't have time to keep what do they call
it yeah compiling code or taking time out to read 400 websites to get
support for it. Apple is no better, but they have better graphics.
When I first seen XP I could not afford it. So over time as all things do I
waited and finally I bought an E-Machine from Wal-Mart (the only store in 50
mile radius at the time) It was great 2.66GHz Celeron Processor some low end
RAM Yeah!!!! (Being a farm boy yet understanding the need to advance in
technology beyond where I was at in order to get out of the area was
critical). I remember walking back home (pushing a cart lol) The joys of CRT
Monitor is just perfect.
Jumping ahead......
I loved XP it was for me POWER. I hated the look of 98 and 2000 ehhh. I
wondered if Microsoft could do better?
XP Pro is of course designed for businesses, but most people refer to PRO as
"XP" ahh no. With the new Home Server it is wise that Microsoft is thinking
in terms of networks for home users. I will agree XP Home deployed some
technologies that needed to be redundant for people like my self that would
not know to turn a service on to use the program. The restarts are what kill
me.
I love the new theme in Vista and I found Home Premium at a great price so I
will upgrade my OS soon I just wished Microsoft would list more specific
items in the comparing side of things. I am left wondering does Vista Home
Basic and Premium support Dynamic Disks? Does Vista Home Basic rival and out
perform in all areas more so than XP Pro? I thought about NOT upgrading
until Windows 7. I mean what is the point in right now having a system that
can even support 2 cores much less 4 or higher unless your running a server?
Is there a list of programs other than OS's that use multi-threads? I mean
if I only use one cpu and very little on another why would I use a Core2Duo
when a Pentium Dual core 3.6 GHz will do the job? Just upgrade the RAM.
I also think XP put hardware companies like Nvidia and ASUS to work making
better Graphics Cards since Hardware runs the industry not software yes I
said that. Back in the day servers ran using two CPUs not cores two actual
Pentium or AMD Chips. so really the dual core market has not changed much
just its execution. I want to see a real challenge for hardware companies a
socket that is vendor neutral (listen open source people) Imagine buying a
AMD or Intel chip no matter if it is PGA or LGA keep the interface area a
virtual liquid so any chip can be inserted at any time when your done with
one chip take it out the panel would reheat and liquidize the material and
accept another chip. Renewable, Powerful, and very doable. Vista runs well
on any Machine that runs XP Pro well, Yes I said that. Vista is not bloated
Compared to other OS designs. Linux ahhh ok lets compile code and insert
plug-ins and then include all the software needed to run day to day things
and see how big it is. The architecture is different yes it may use RAM or
HDD in another fashion but straight out of the box even Firefox NEEDS
plug-ins. I have used IE6 and now IE7 with no lag no issues. I use XP Pro to
encrypt files that are important I use WLOC and Ad-aware along with a
Hardware Cisco Firewall so good luck breaking that. Security is not an
issue.....End-Users are the issue....I know I am one. I did not understand
that a cable modem connected directly to my Ethernet adapter with no
firewall etc could be come a zombie.....zombie what yeah. After my and still
advancement through this computer world I don't know everything but I do
know combining Corporate Security and Home Security is good. I have taken
Network+, A+, and now training my self for multiple MCE Courses. 70-293,
70-291 etc I don't know everything but I have worked closely with computers
since 98SE and love them. Look at the "junk" in XP as advancements for the
future so instead of running out to find that driver and recompile and all
that mess that home users don't need to mess with as a luxury.
Granted Windows 98, Win2K, XP, and now Vista are big but not bloated Compare
Windows XP to Damn Small Linux WOW so big. Now compare the people that use
Damn Small Linux to the people that use Windows XP. Take into account
college that is IT based, Life Skills and use ability from that persons view
point. I have a lot of spare time compared to a single mom of three. Can a
single mom of three with no computer training sit down install Ubuntu and
use it with out issues on a day to day basis? ahh I can't. Windows is based
for the masses not the MIT Grad. I find all the pop ups in Windows annoying
sometimes but then I think about that single mom that needs a new job to pay
for food and gas alone not to mention a house. I understand why Windows is
like it is. Bottom line your unhappy with Windows get Linux I am sure you
will find something to bitch about there too. BTW Firefox has issues too.
What I want from Microsoft is to make just three versions of OS. One for the
single mom of three, One for people like me, and another for the business
and MIT Grad.
Windows Vista Home Basic and Home Premium are okay (bases of of
advertisements) I would have made Vista HOME that's it. When you install the
OS it has simple and advanced. Normal Joe would install Simple Vista ie
basic. Advanced would have three setting IT PRO, Business Oriented, and the
last one Proficient XP Pro User.
These would segment the users so that Mr. accountant can VPN to the office
but Mary mom of three of course would have no use for that feature. This
would allow users to upgrade the OS to match the educational level of the
individual. The next version would be Windows Business which would come
default with several licensing types. Upon install the OS would ask you
Small, Medium, or Large. After than it needs to know where your installing
it Sever side or Client side again Small companies would install small and
so on. This product will only be issued to companies or people who have a
business license since tech-support will be different. Then you have the
extremist your gamers and IT fix it people along with other people who just
want the best and can afford it. Windows Xtream. It would be based on OpenGL
or Direct X or both depending on hardware. It would be written in 64 bit and
utilize full 4 core processing. In other words designed to run games and
powerful CAD far surpassing Xbox 360 Elite and Playstation 3. Have 4 cores
split them use 2 for Half Life and 2 for World of War Craft at the same
time. You should have quad SLI by this time and dual or quad monitors I mean
you're a gamer lets go. Lan games would never be the same.
That is how I would build an OS. You can't use the same OS for everything. I
have never seen a gamer use Win2K but a lot of Businesses still do. I have
never seen a home user use Vista Business. Because they where not designed
for that much like Linux is trying to come in to the home but being very
unfriendly to the average user it will not work. Like wise I wonder if
Business people use the Aero Desktop....I would think that it requires to
much for average businesses to employ Aero on every client machine not to
mention Tech support would most likely quit.
My take on systems and hardware and OS's, but I am only a far boy.
M
mayayana
Yes. I actually have the PDF that they used to offer
as download, and I've studied it quite a bit. I was
just curious about your list, since I'm new at corraling
XP.
M
mayayana
Thanks. I actually don't even have Flash
installed. I found the Download Helper plugin
(after much searching) to allow me to download
any Flash files (or YouTube FLV videos) that I might
actually want to see.
T
Terry R.
The date and time was 1/28/2008 8:40 PM, and on a whim, mayayana pounded
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