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[Stephan Rose]

100% eh? So no one comes from OSX? Hum.... Nor are any of them new to
computers? Hum....

Well I don't know if I'd go with his 100% figure on that but...what he says
isn't all untrue that I have seen a lot of newbie posts in regards to
Ubuntu and a lot of them have been in response to Vista. If it's been all
or not I can't say, I don't bother to keep track of that. =)

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Stephan
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[caver1]

Sorry, but that's just plan absurd. If you think it's wrong of me to
say so then explain to us how you expect perfection from all your
products. In addition, explain how you obtain perfection from them as
well.

Yes nothing made by humans is perfect. But when you state that 42% of
WGA problems on the forums are false positives That means that 58% had
something truly wrong for one reason or another the other 42% were
screwups. These percentages have nothing to do with how many people use
MS products or how many of them never have problems.

 

[caver1]

Much agreed.



I 100% understand where you are coming from. I also 100% agree.
There's also another side that needs to be dealt with and that's what is
within reason?

Check this out:

Both yourself and alias mention that if you have work that needs to get
done within a certain time limit then MS is "shutting you down". Ok.
Now let's look at this. I'm at home and I need to remote into work to
get this "work done". Oh NO! The internet is down! Verizon has shut
me down! Who knows who else they shut down? I would LOVE to see what
the average downtime is and the average amount of customers per month
that need to deal with it just with VERIZON ALONE. I'm narrowing it
down to one company to be fair.

Remember, mine was 10 minutes with MS. I've been shut down by Verizon
for over 24 hours at times. However, it's usually just a few hours.

I'm going to guess that MS customers are WAY AHEAD of the game versus
Verizon customers when it comes to be inconvenienced.

I don't hear people shouting HOW DARE VERIZON!!!! THEY CANT DO THIS TO
ME!!! I PAY THEM!!!!

It seems to me that computers have become so common place that people
believe they better work "or else". Or else what? Get a refund.

People have forgotten they are dealing with a consumer product.

Why are operating systems subject to such scrutiny? Nothing else is.

Because WGA,DRM, etc have nothing to do with theives, or priates. Rather
they are schemes to get around legal rights of the consumer given to
them by the laws and courts.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

That's a joke right? Ok, are you ready?

1. Did you read the title?
For Vista, WGA gets tougher

Obviously, as slang (since MS changed the name) we're calling it WGA.
You know damn good and well what we're talking about. So it's SPP and
not ISS as you stated earlier.

2. Any ""problem"" with "WGA - sorry, SPP" is going to be one of two
things. Piracy or hardware/software change.

Nope, 3. You forgot to add buggy MS WGA/SPP code.

Now check out this part of your so called quote:

"and reported those problems to Microsoft's public forums"

That 42% is from public forums only!

Please explain to us how that 42% includes everyone?

That 42% tells us NOTHING.

That would be like saying 90% of Vista users have problems with Vista
because 90% of this NG has problems with Vista.

WGA is NOT a part of Vista (it's called SPP) and, yes, there is a kill
switch. Read this and weep:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=148

See http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=142 where it says:

According to our analysis, 42% of the people who experienced problems
with WGA and reported those problems to Microsoft's public forums during
that period were actually running Genuine Microsoft WAccording to our
analysis, 42% of the people who experienced problems with WGA and
reported those problems to Microsoft's public forums during that period
were actually running Genuine Microsoft Windows.That's not just our
opinion, either. Those statistics were reported by the Redmond-approved
Microsoft Genuine Advantage Diagnostic utility.

Oops. 42% is a lot, Justin.

Alias

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"DRM is not added to anything in Vista."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Well in *my opinion* , UAC is no better or worse than WGA. I find both of
them to be equally bad right up there with DRM.

See? I'm fair and equal across the board. =)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't UAC a security feature and WGA
DRM?

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"DRM is not added to anything in Vista."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

UAC is not a security feature, in the context that it can 'prevent' or
'remove' malware from being installed on the computer.

UAC simply notifies the user that a program is asking for unrestricted
access to sensitive/restricted parts of the system, and gives the user the
option to either allow this action or not.

UAC is still subject to "social engineering" (I hate that term) in that a
user can turn it off or be fooled into thinking that the program asking for
permission is legitimate.

One of the biggest security problems in previous versions of Windows, was
that a program could get onto the system and then install itself using the
authority of the logged in user (usually someone with an Administrator
account). UAC helps to prevent this by informing the user that an action is
about to happen that has the potential to compromise the system.

BTW, UAC is not going to go away. What you see in Vista is just the first
step.

 

[Rick Rogers]

The problem is with the OEM license not registering as valid. Microsoft
can't fix that, it is the OEM's issue to fix by either issuing a valid
license or correcting it with Microsoft under their licensing agreement.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

 

[Stephan Rose]

Ronnie Vernon MVP wrote:

BTW, UAC is not going to go away. What you see in Vista is just the first
step.

Ok you just literally frightened me!!! =)

You mean it's going to get worse??

Thanks for reinforcing that I made the right decision. =)


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[Alias]

The problem is with the OEM license not registering as valid. Microsoft
can't fix that, it is the OEM's issue to fix by either issuing a valid
license or correcting it with Microsoft under their licensing agreement.

If MS got rid of WGA, then the problem is solved.

Alias

 

[Rick Rogers]

Well, you know I don't disagree with that, but it doesn't appear to be going
away anytime soon, so for now we are going to have to learn how to deal with
the problems it presents.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

 

[Alias]

Well, you know I don't disagree with that, but it doesn't appear to be
going away anytime soon, so for now we are going to have to learn how to
deal with the problems it presents.

True enough.

Alias

 

[Justin]

That'd be beyond enough reason for me to switch providers.

My uptime with T-Online: 99.99%

The only downtime I can think of was a few months ago during a major but
short power outage.

Fair enough. Verizon sucks

Sure it is, maybe not in the US...but in the rest of the world. It does
appear to be though, from my own impression of things, that people in the
US are more likely to just "accept things" as they are...and not do
something about it.

Doesn't fly all that well in europe though. People over here tend to not
simply accept things if they don't like them.

Well, we don't accept it. That's why we get ourselves on betas. Ok, let me
change that before a certain someone takes it out of context:

"I" don't accept it. That's why "I" get "myself" on betas. Even though I
know good and well that's how other people think having listened to many
different people.

Maybe what's seen is that most people are not capable of doing anything
about the consumer product on a shelf?

I hope to find myself a spot on the SP1 beta. Mostly to follow up on the
bugs I know of that didn’t get fixed prior to RTM.

 

[Justin]

Because nothing in life is perfect.

Not a good reason to call and prove I am not a thief. What ever happened to
presumed innocent until proven guilty?

You are talking in circles. That has nothing to do with my comment in
regards to your comment.

No one is calling anyone a thief.

Flame bait, nice try.

LOL! My translation stands.

Flame bait, nice try.

MS has wasted 10 minutes of my life because of WGA. Well guess what? A
linux distro wasted 2 HOURS of my life while I tried to install a video
card.

Really? How strange. No problem with any of my hardware after installing
Ubuntu. A friend installed it on an old computer with an ATI video card and
no problems with his hardware either.

HAHAHAHA! Ok alias, I'll play your stupid little game.

Really? How strange. No problems with my 5 Vista machines at work. A
friend installed Vista and has no WGA problems either. You're little
"examples" do nothing to back up your mouth.

Over linux, WGA is a blessing to have to deal with.

If you think it's OK for MS to virtually yank you out of your car, throw
you face down on the hood and frisk you, you must be into S&M.

Oh alias... your exaggerations are priceless!

Really? A bug affects paying customers? Sorry, but that's kind of a no
brainier.

Yep, the program and all its bugs only affects paying customers, not the
pirates.

Really? BUGS do not affect pirates? So everyone that STEALS Vista has a
perfect functioning machine with no problems?

You are quickly turning this into a joke.


Fact is that MS wants the paying customers to help them with their cat
and mouse game with the pirates. This is not right no matter how you try
to spin it.

It's a good thing you are no longer going to be a MS customer.

 

[Justin]

If WGA was so good then the number of false positives should be around
1or2%. I would refuse a medical test that has a 42% false positive.

That's fine. You feel bugs are unacceptable. I would stay away from most
consumer electronics then. They'll piss you off to.

 

[Justin]

Well in *my opinion* , UAC is no better or worse than WGA. I find both
of
them to be equally bad right up there with DRM.

See? I'm fair and equal across the board. =)



To be honest, there isn't much of a backup plan in those doors. There is
absolutely nothing, except its own software, to prevent the controller
from
going wide open throttle on those doors if it wanted to. Makes ya feel
good
walking through doesn't it? =)

I don't know what kind of funky elevators you got over there but over here
we have sensors that detect when someone is in the way of the door as well
as micro switches at the tips that detect if they hit something.
Mechanically the doors can not open and close fast. They don't have the
capability.

Well you know you don't have to buy Ford, Chevy or Chrysler. Better
alternatives do exist

Absolutely!

 

[Justin]

Ronnie Vernon MVP wrote:



Ok you just literally frightened me!!! =)

You mean it's going to get worse??

Grrrrrrrrrr ;p

 

[Justin]

If MS got rid of WGA, then the problem is solved.

And if MS got rid of IE then all HTML compliance issues would be solved.
Wow, how brilliant!

It's just THAT simple!!!

 

[Justin]

Justin,

MS made billions with 95/98/NT and 2000. All the anti piracy programs do
it make paying customers angry. This is stupid no matter how you try to
spin it.

How does any of that justify your mouth? Are you jealous of MS?

You have one thing right, MS made billions. Why do you think that is? Next
you're going to tell us that Vista will bankrupt them?

You continue to fail to address the fact that the % of WGA problematic
people is TINY.

Let me put it into numbers for you:

2006 MS makes 1,000,000,000

WGA pisses off a few people so now

2007 MS makes 999,999,000 now add all the NEW customers and they make
1,500,000,000.

These numbers should make it pretty clear that MS is moving in the right
direction for THEM and the customers that continue to want their product.
Are the number real? No. However they move in the right direction.

 

[Justin]

Well I don't know if I'd go with his 100% figure on that but...what he
says
isn't all untrue that I have seen a lot of newbie posts in regards to
Ubuntu and a lot of them have been in response to Vista. If it's been all
or not I can't say, I don't bother to keep track of that. =)

Of course. I'm sure it happens all the time. Also, people find they want a
bleeding edge computer and find themselves moving to a more supportive OS as
well, such as Windows

 

[Justin]

Yes nothing made by humans is perfect. But when you state that 42% of WGA
problems on the forums are false positives That means that 58% had
something truly wrong for one reason or another the other 42% were
screwups. These percentages have nothing to do with how many people use MS
products or how many of them never have problems.

So? The bugs will get fixed. You say all this as if MS said, "HAHA! Deal
with it!"

Just because something has bugs, doesn't mean it should be dropped.
Otherwise there wouldn't be anything in these OSs.