Will I be able to upgrade to Vista this year?

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Agreed. It's just another OS.



I do like the way it tightens security, so that even users logged
in as
"administrators" have to verify that they want cvertain actions to
occur.



You're joking, right?
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Yes, both rhetorical questions.
Enhanced security is not to be sneezed at, but neither is it
sufficient
reason to rush out and buy a new OS.
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Agreed.

Now if the answer to the 2 rhetorical questions was YES!, that may be just
cause to be excited (depending on what the performance increase would be).
But we all know that will NEVER happen. I see no point to spending a
couple/few hundred dollars for Vista, and a few more to upgrade my
hardware, just so my PC will run the same programs I have now at the same
speed they run now.

And even then, there are no additional 'features' that I saw in any
articles about Vista, that are anything more than UI changes that will make
a user say 'it used to be here and now I can't find it, why do they have to
move everything around'.
 
I see no reason why there should be any excitement over 'Vista'.

What is the big deal ?

Seriously.

What about it makes it better ?

Will Vista run faster than XP on identical hardware ?
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Windows 95 had 15 million lines of code. That grew to 18 million lines by
the time Windows 98 launched, above. Windows XP, released in 2001, has 35
million lines of code. Fista is reported to have over 50 million lines of
code.

Now you tell me if this bloated "operating system", filled with old legacy
code (for backwards compatibility) is going to run faster without
significant hardware upgrades for most people.

Idiots waiting for Fista are going to be sadly disappointed when it does
finally arrive. And when it does, it's still going to be inferior to
today's GNU/Linux distributions. What Microsoft has managed to put out is
still "old school" computing crap. Those who want to adopt leading edge,
should be looking at GNU/Linux. It has been running on 64bit for years, has
a proven track record of stability and in the innovation department, is
leading the way.


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Oh please, the UNIX family of operating systems is as old as the hills. If
anything is new it's NT.
 
Gospel said:
I'm not sure. There probably will be several big deals. I imagine some whole
government deparments and whole large corps might make the move to Vista for
their client systems.




Yes, serious money.




The OS is structured to present malware writers more obstacles.




Nothing most users will notice.




Nothing most users will notice.




Yes, while the security impprovments alone will make Vista compelling,
there's also improved searching, file identification. Intensively attractive
user interface, updated built-in apps. Many poo-hoo eye-candy, but with
Vista Microsoft seems to have done quite a nice job of it. Furthermore, the
behind the scenes graphics plumbing will enable some very interesting
programming. And there's more improvements than just eye-candy.

Some new things:

-bitlock drive encryption
-virtual folders
-voice recognition built-in
-better backup
-new interface
-new sidebar
-new browser nearing 100% standards compliance
-new email client
-new and updated games
-much improved search
-networking improvements
-better peer to peer
-calendar




Yes, the icons are deliberately "cartoonish" rather than photorealistic. I
prefer the cartoonish as I don't like the photorealistic "magazine" look.
There's no accounting for taste, is there? Otherwise the theme, overall, is
pleasantly executive / techy and business-like.
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Wow, sounds good. I will probably wait for Vista's SP2 though. I have a
friend who repairs them. I will wait and see what happens to his
computers ;-)
I think that comment is all wet. There's really no comparision here except
they could hardly be more un-like.
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Good to hear.

Alias
 
No pleasure in it though. It nearly made me weep watching Philippe Kahn
take Borland down with him.

I think it took nearly a decade for Anders Hejlsberg to pick up his
Borland Pascal work with MS C#.

Oh and let's not forget Ashton-Tate and its dbase IV debacle.
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Borland Pascal or Borland Delphi was my pet and now I am forced to
support an Operating System when I should be spending time writing good
database interfaces using Pascal/Delphi. .net has destroyed creativity
and now we need a complete reboot of this planet to start creativity all
over again!!!
 
NoStop said:
Idiots waiting for Fista are going to be sadly disappointed when it does
finally arrive. And when it does, it's still going to be inferior to
today's GNU/Linux distributions. What Microsoft has managed to put out is
still "old school" computing crap. Those who want to adopt leading edge,
should be looking at GNU/Linux. It has been running on 64bit for years, has
a proven track record of stability and in the innovation department, is
leading the way.

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Is this why nobody is touching this dynosaur in corporate America?
 
Gospel said:
I'm not sure. There probably will be several big deals. I imagine some
whole government deparments and whole large corps might make the move to
Vista for their client systems.
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And a lot /might/ not......
Yes, serious money.
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That'll be the killer then, won't it? Why pay "serious money" for a new OS
that is not neccessary? In the same way very many companies did NOT upgrade
from Office 2002 to Office 2003 because the marginal increase in
functionality did not warrant the huge cost.......
The OS is structured to present malware writers more obstacles.
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Which Linux has had for YEARS.
Nothing most users will notice.
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If the amount of code is anything to go by it'll run /slower/ than XP on the
equivalent hardware.....
Nothing most users will notice.




Yes, while the security impprovments alone will make Vista compelling,
there's also improved searching, file identification. Intensively
attractive user interface, updated built-in apps. Many poo-hoo eye-candy,
but with Vista Microsoft seems to have done quite a nice job of it.
Furthermore, the behind the scenes graphics plumbing will enable some very
interesting programming. And there's more improvements than just
eye-candy.

Some new things:
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-new browser nearing 100% standards compliance
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Compliance with WHAT? W3C standards or, more likely, MS imposed standards?
-new email client
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t least there won't be the current confusion as to whether Outlook Express
is a "lite version of Outlook - but will it still be as vulnerable to worms
attacking the addressbook?
-new and updated games
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Well, if all you use your machine for is GAMES, then obviously this is the
one for you!
-much improved search
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You mean the search function will now do what third-party search apps have
been doing for YEARS? (In fact well before XP came out....)
-networking improvements
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Such as?
-better peer to peer
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Such as?
-calendar
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Again - other OS's have had that built-in for some time.....
 
Gordon said:
And a lot /might/ not......


That'll be the killer then, won't it? Why pay "serious money" for a new OS
that is not neccessary? In the same way very many companies did NOT
upgrade
from Office 2002 to Office 2003 because the marginal increase in
functionality did not warrant the huge cost.......



Which Linux has had for YEARS.


If the amount of code is anything to go by it'll run /slower/ than XP on
the
equivalent hardware.....



Compliance with WHAT? W3C standards or, more likely, MS imposed standards?


t least there won't be the current confusion as to whether Outlook Express
is a "lite version of Outlook - but will it still be as vulnerable to
worms
attacking the addressbook?


Well, if all you use your machine for is GAMES, then obviously this is
the
one for you!


You mean the search function will now do what third-party search apps have
been doing for YEARS? (In fact well before XP came out....)


Such as?


Such as?


Again - other OS's have had that built-in for some time.....
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Why should I buy a new car? My 1936 Ford still runs fine.
 
NoStop said:
Windows 95 had 15 million lines of code. That grew to 18 million lines by
the time Windows 98 launched, above. Windows XP, released in 2001, has 35
million lines of code. Fista is reported to have over 50 million lines of
code.

Now you tell me if this bloated "operating system", filled with old legacy
code (for backwards compatibility) is going to run faster without
significant hardware upgrades for most people.

Idiots waiting for Fista are going to be sadly disappointed when it does
finally arrive. And when it does, it's still going to be inferior to
today's GNU/Linux distributions. What Microsoft has managed to put out is
still "old school" computing crap. Those who want to adopt leading edge,
should be looking at GNU/Linux. It has been running on 64bit for years, has
a proven track record of stability and in the innovation department, is
leading the way.
Click to expand...


Vista is reported to take up an extra %40 extra room on a HDD compared
to XP. Vista also allows invisible processes to run thereby enabling
DRM and rootkits. The link below has more information on Vista. It
looks to be a disaster for many reasons.

http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/vista.html
 
Gospel said:
Oh please, the UNIX family of operating systems is as old as the hills. If
anything is new it's NT.
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LOL! NT is Microsofts poor attempt to make Windows try to emulate Unix
more.
 
LOL! NT is Microsofts poor attempt to make Windows try to emulate Unix
more.
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There you go again with more misinformation: It was their attempt to
take the best parts of Unix and use what they already understood and
come up with a new/revolutionary product. And for the most part, a
properly configured Windows server is as stable as any Unix server.
 
Ernie Ball is using it.

http://infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/11/27/021127hnerniball.html?s=IDGNS
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And here is what most people don't completely understand:

"Soon after, the company began its switch to Linux. The move wasn't
easy, Ball said. For one, it took some coaxing to get employees to
embrace the new desktop software, and he noted that the term "free
software" is somewhat of a misnomer. "There is free software out there,
but it costs you money to get it working," he said. "

Linux and it's applications are NOT free, they have a very real cost in
terms of design, support, setup, migration, and document migration and
document interaction with MS based users outside the company.

Linux, and I like Fedora Core 4, is a great solution in many instances,
but it's not free, unless you don't value your time, support, changes in
business processes....
 
Leythos said:
There you go again with more misinformation: It was their attempt
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Attempt is right. It was a poor one.

to
take the best parts of Unix and use what they already understood and
come up with a new/revolutionary product.
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How can they "take the best parts of Unix" and "come up with a new
product"? Let's steal ideas from those other Unix guys over there and
call it a new product.

And for the most part, a
properly configured Windows server is as stable as any Unix server.
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Yes, that may be the case that a "properly configured" windows box is
somewhat reliable. But how much time and extra security software does
it take to get it to that point? Linux is secure out of the box.
 
Leythos said:
And here is what most people don't completely understand:

"Soon after, the company began its switch to Linux. The move wasn't
easy, Ball said. For one, it took some coaxing to get employees to
embrace the new desktop software, and he noted that the term "free
software" is somewhat of a misnomer. "There is free software out there,
but it costs you money to get it working," he said. "

Linux and it's applications are NOT free, they have a very real cost in
terms of design, support, setup, migration, and document migration and
document interaction with MS based users outside the company.

Linux, and I like Fedora Core 4, is a great solution in many instances,
but it's not free, unless you don't value your time, support, changes in
business processes....
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Who said linux was free? It just costs alot less than running Windows
over the years, and it's a better product in many aspects.
 
Yes, that may be the case that a "properly configured" windows box is
somewhat reliable. But how much time and extra security software does
it take to get it to that point? Linux is secure out of the box.
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It doesn't take any more time.

Linux IS NOT SECURE OUT OF THE BOX - you can't make that statement and
expect to be taken seriously. There are way to many distro's out, to
many ignorant installers that leave it exposed, that leave open relays,
that don't have a clue.

You're really starting to show that you don't use Linux and have only
fallen for the hype - come back when you've actually used a real Unix
system and a real Linux system.
 
Who said linux was free? It just costs alot less than running Windows
over the years, and it's a better product in many aspects.
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During the first few years it costs a lot to discontinue a Windows shop,
move to Linux and retrain users, not to mention all the document issues.
We've got a couple shops that are linux only, and they have one Linux
box that runs Cross-Over and Office XP so that they can read Word and
Excel documents in their native mode - as they don't import properly
most times.

There is little difference in cost / support, it's about not having the
latest and greatest toys to play with for users that reduces any costs.
 
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