Why you have so few restore points - answered!

[Julian]

It's not a bug - it's a completely idiotic feature of Vista Home Premium
(and maybe Basic too)

System Restore relies on Shadow Storage - which MS also uses to provide
"previous version" file capabilities in higher-end Vista systems.

However, Vista is in fact still taking copies of ALL your files - thereby
eating up space that you might reasonably have thought was solely for System
Restore points. Result: ShadowStorage fills up very quickly and your restore
points are dumped.

See
http://berossus.blogspot.com/2008/02/part-ii-of-case-of-disappearing-system.html
and the links therein for what I eventually found on the web once I knew
what to look for. It has been known about since last year apparently...

Personally I am outraged at the lack of control over my own system, and
specifically the completely useless System Restore capability that has
resulted.

MS should be ashamed. Very, very ashamed.

But thanks to everyone who helped me track down the problem

 

[alexB]

You should be ashamed for your idiotic outburst. You do not need more
restore points. Besides, you have control over the number of restore points
you can have. Just add more storage, do more backups and eat your sh*it in
the privacy of your home. Do not bring your lunacy in here.

 

[On the Bridge!]

yes of course ....
this is exactly as you say it...

I understood this the very first time when vista was still in beta.

On MACS you have to have an external drive for "TIME MACHINE" to work.
Time machine is so far ahead of shadow copy thats its literally "from the
future" pun intended!

see how shadow copy should have been here
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html


the way shadow copy is implemented in Vista is a problem of course (haven't
found much in vista that is NOT a problem lol), because there is no way to
chose the settings between restore points and old versions,
or disabling only one of the 2 "functions"

It's not a bug - it's a completely idiotic feature of Vista Home Premium
(and maybe Basic too)

Oh all versions of Vista create shadow copies.. but here is the even more
idiotic thing=
NOT ALL CAN ACCESS the older copies! LOL How dumb is that?


Fortunalty there is a guy who wrote SHADOW EXPLORER a free tool,
see here on how you can use it
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...hadow-copies-on-any-version-of-windows-vista/

 

[dennis@home]

yes of course ....
this is exactly as you say it...

I understood this the very first time when vista was still in beta.

On MACS you have to have an external drive for "TIME MACHINE" to work.
Time machine is so far ahead of shadow copy thats its literally "from the
future" pun intended!

see how shadow copy should have been here
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html

A feature stolen from "windows".
It is like www.memeo.com's backup solution for windows but not as good.
Memeo has been around for a lot longer than timemachine and there are
several alternatives that do similar things.
There was even a real-time backup and file versioner for win98 but I forget
what it was called.
Some more of Apples "innovation".

 

[Jan]

Did you bother to read his post? You don't have a friggen clue as usual. You
are too busy sucking MSFT a hole to to understand anything.

You should be ashamed for your idiotic outburst. You do not need more
restore points. Besides, you have control over the number of restore
points you can have. Just add more storage, do more backups and eat your
sh*it in the privacy of your home. Do not bring your lunacy in here.

 

[Cameron Snyder]

Your information is not even correct... And just to promote your
disappearing intellect blog...

 

[Bob]

So why are you giving the spammer more exposure by including his original
message?

 

[Cameron Snyder]

Excellent point. I was just in automaton mode. click-reply-send Thanks for
the slap.

 

[Diamontina Cocktail]

You should be ashamed for your idiotic outburst. You do not need more
restore points.

Crap. How would YOU know how many restore points a person "needs" or
"wants"? I got Vista SP1 off Windows update and expected the restore to
previous to SP1 to be there. It wasn't.

 

[Diamontina Cocktail]

A feature stolen from "windows".
It is like www.memeo.com's backup solution for windows but not as good.
Memeo has been around for a lot longer than timemachine and there are
several alternatives that do similar things.
There was even a real-time backup and file versioner for win98 but I
forget what it was called.
Some more of Apples "innovation".

Let us not forget that Apple Macs first did multitasking in 1988, about 4
years after Commodore's Amiga was already doing it and with colour display,
too, not the B&W Macs had back then but of course Mac users claim they had
it first.

 

[MICHAEL]

You should be ashamed for your idiotic outburst. You do not need more
restore points. Besides, you have control over the number of restore points
you can have. Just add more storage, do more backups and eat your sh*it in
the privacy of your home. Do not bring your lunacy in here.

Do you intend to always be the biggest imbecile
in this group? So far, you are winning quite handily.

Thankfully, your plethora of posts quickly identified
your amazing lack of helpful tech knowledge and your
many mental deficiencies. Hopefully, most users simply
ignore your prattle.


-Michael

 

[Bob]

Practice what you preach and don't respond to him.

 

[MICHAEL]

I wasn't preaching, goober.

But, it is important that every so often,
someone points out his idiocy so that those
who are new to the group might understand
that his drivel is usually rather useless.


-Michael

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

It's not a bug - it's a completely idiotic feature of Vista Home Premium
(and maybe Basic too)

System Restore relies on Shadow Storage - which MS also uses to provide
"previous version" file capabilities in higher-end Vista systems.

However, Vista is in fact still taking copies of ALL your files - thereby
eating up space that you might reasonably have thought was solely for
System Restore points. Result: ShadowStorage fills up very quickly and
your restore points are dumped.

See
http://berossus.blogspot.com/2008/02/part-ii-of-case-of-disappearing-system.html
and the links therein for what I eventually found on the web once I knew
what to look for. It has been known about since last year apparently...

Personally I am outraged at the lack of control over my own system, and
specifically the completely useless System Restore capability that has
resulted.

MS should be ashamed. Very, very ashamed.

But thanks to everyone who helped me track down the problem

You would be more outraged if Vista could not recover itself as well as it
can..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx

 

[Bob]

Preaching - To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance
with.
Sounds like preaching to me, Gomer.

 

[MICHAEL]

I urge you to stimulate your internal anal sphincter
and pull your head out of your rectum.

Thanks, Otis.


-Michael

 

[Julian]

You would be more outraged if Vista could not recover itself as well as it
can..

I hate to sound as though I am anti-Vista - because I'm not - but at the
moment Vista seems less able to recover itself than my XP machines - though
fortunately it also seems to require less recovery.

My perhaps ill-made point was that the lack of control over what goes in
Shadow Storage prevented me from prioritising the storage of Restore Points
so that Vista could recover itself via System Restore (other mechanisms I am
unaware of).

The one and only occasion (thankfully!) that I needed System Restore there
was only 1 restore point less than 12 hours old and Vista could not recover
itself at all... leading to further problems as a result of an alternate
recovery strategy and a whole weekend's work, and it was this issue that
made me begin to pay attention to System Restore etc.

However I do now have a tentative solution to the System Restore without
Shadow-Copy-of-other-files issue, which I am testing. I want to let some
(useful!) System Restore points accumulate and check that nothing else has
been upset before giving a verdict, but I'll post back when I have some
news...

....taking care of course to provide only the information here and not to
spam the group with a footnote link to blog or blogs <g>

 

[Julian]

Ooops - not "footnote" link - inline link if you like... wasn't directed at
you Mike

 

[bp]

Crap. How would YOU know how many restore points a person "needs" or
"wants"? I got Vista SP1 off Windows update and expected the restore to
previous to SP1 to be there. It wasn't.

Then maybe you should have used the uninstall option DUH

1. You can increase the size used for restore points

2. You can turn off shadow copy

3. You can make your own restore point if you really want to make sure you
have one.

4. restore points have always been dumped(yes even in XP) at a certain point
(ie you run low on storage )

5. Hell you can even dump system restore and use third party backup
utilities that act just like system restore and they won't dump your restore
points(ghost 14 anyone) But just like SR you will delete some sooner or later.

Instead of Goggling some crap looking for something to bitch about he should
have goggled how to use it.

 

[bp]

Let us not forget that Apple Macs first did multitasking in 1988, about 4
years after Commodore's Amiga was already doing it and with colour display,
too, not the B&W Macs had back then but of course Mac users claim they had
it first.

and the Amiga did it with only 256k ram try that on a MAC or PC