Why is thumbnail in landscape?

[Terry Pinnell]

I have a photo of a baby taken lying down, but I've since rotated it
90 deg for more convenient viewing. Yet in a My Computer folder its
thumbnail is shown in landscape mode, i.e. lying down. The status bar
information contradicts this by showing 594 x 925, and when opened in
any of several image viewers/editors, the photo is correctly displayed
in portrait mode, i.e. with the head at the top.

What can make the thumbnail display incorrectly please?

 

[Terry Pinnell]

I have a photo of a baby taken lying down, but I've since rotated it
90 deg for more convenient viewing. Yet in a My Computer folder its
thumbnail is shown in landscape mode, i.e. lying down. The status bar
information contradicts this by showing 594 x 925, and when opened in
any of several image viewers/editors, the photo is correctly displayed
in portrait mode, i.e. with the head at the top.

What can make the thumbnail display incorrectly please?

OK, thanks, minutes later I found the cause! But must say I find it
odd to have to refresh thumbnails manually. At the very least, I'd
have expected them to get refreshed either every time I used F5 to
Refresh the whole folder (which I'm in the habit of doing regularly),
or every time the folder is opened.

Or is there some point I'm missing here? Would anyone ever *not* want
thumbnails to have same orientation as the actual picture?

 

[Terry Pinnell]

OK, thanks, minutes later I found the cause! But must say I find it
odd to have to refresh thumbnails manually. At the very least, I'd
have expected them to get refreshed either every time I used F5 to
Refresh the whole folder (which I'm in the habit of doing regularly),
or every time the folder is opened.

Or is there some point I'm missing here? Would anyone ever *not* want
thumbnails to have same orientation as the actual picture?

No one from MS here with any view on this please? IMO, it's a design
flaw. All my image browsers immediately reflect such edits and change
the thumbnail. Don't see any reason why Explorer/My Computer doesn't
do that, at the very least after a simple Refresh (F5). What added
value is there in a 'Refresh Thumbnail' command?

 

[Gregg Rivers [MSFT]]

Hello Terry,

Was the Explorer window open when the picture was rotated? What program was
used to rotate the picture? What view is the Explorer window displaying
thumbs in (filmstrip, thumbnails, tiles, etc)? In looking at this issue,
the thumbnail was rotated either when I used Explorer to do the rotate or
when I launched Windows Picture and Fax Viewer from Explorer to do the
rotate.

Thanks,
Gregg Rivers [MSFT]

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[Guest]

Gregg, here are more specifics related to Terry's problem (and mine):
With Explorer open in any view, I click on a photo file to open Irfanview,
the viewer/editor I prefer. I crop and rotate, including custom fractional
degree rotations to compensate for less-than-perfect leveling of my
point-and-shoot camera. Then I save, replacing the original photo but
leaving the filename unchanged. From that point on (with Irfanview closed,
Explorer views changed and refreshed, and even with Explorer closed and
Windows XP restarted), the thumbnail shows the original unedited image. Only
individually right-clicking each image and selecting Refresh Thumbnail does
the trick. I agree with Terry that this is a design flaw.
While you are trying to reproduce our observations, this may be a factor: I
always change the columns in Explorer to view the date the picture was taken
instead of the default (inappropriate for photos) date last modified. I
alway sort on the date taken. I can't imagine that Explorer uses only
currently displayed file information to activate an automatic refresh, but
that may be one more thing for you to check.

Hello Terry,

Was the Explorer window open when the picture was rotated? What program was
used to rotate the picture? What view is the Explorer window displaying
thumbs in (filmstrip, thumbnails, tiles, etc)? In looking at this issue,
the thumbnail was rotated either when I used Explorer to do the rotate or
when I launched Windows Picture and Fax Viewer from Explorer to do the
rotate.

Thanks,
Gregg Rivers [MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups.

 

[Guest]

It's worse than I thought. The Explorer column view doesn't matter, and the
manually-invoked Refresh Thumbnail DOES NOT PERSIST. The thumbnail reverts
to the original image every time the folder is closed and reopened.

Gregg, here are more specifics related to Terry's problem (and mine):
With Explorer open in any view, I click on a photo file to open Irfanview,
the viewer/editor I prefer. I crop and rotate, including custom fractional
degree rotations to compensate for less-than-perfect leveling of my
point-and-shoot camera. Then I save, replacing the original photo but
leaving the filename unchanged. From that point on (with Irfanview closed,
Explorer views changed and refreshed, and even with Explorer closed and
Windows XP restarted), the thumbnail shows the original unedited image. Only
individually right-clicking each image and selecting Refresh Thumbnail does
the trick. I agree with Terry that this is a design flaw.
While you are trying to reproduce our observations, this may be a factor: I
always change the columns in Explorer to view the date the picture was taken
instead of the default (inappropriate for photos) date last modified. I
alway sort on the date taken. I can't imagine that Explorer uses only
currently displayed file information to activate an automatic refresh, but
that may be one more thing for you to check.

Hello Terry,

Was the Explorer window open when the picture was rotated? What program was
used to rotate the picture? What view is the Explorer window displaying
thumbs in (filmstrip, thumbnails, tiles, etc)? In looking at this issue,
the thumbnail was rotated either when I used Explorer to do the rotate or
when I launched Windows Picture and Fax Viewer from Explorer to do the
rotate.

Thanks,
Gregg Rivers [MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups.

I have a photo of a baby taken lying down, but I've since rotated it
90 deg for more convenient viewing. Yet in a My Computer folder its
thumbnail is shown in landscape mode, i.e. lying down. The status bar
information contradicts this by showing 594 x 925, and when opened in
any of several image viewers/editors, the photo is correctly displayed
in portrait mode, i.e. with the head at the top.

What can make the thumbnail display incorrectly please?

OK, thanks, minutes later I found the cause! But must say I find it
odd to have to refresh thumbnails manually. At the very least, I'd
have expected them to get refreshed either every time I used F5 to
Refresh the whole folder (which I'm in the habit of doing regularly),
or every time the folder is opened.

Or is there some point I'm missing here? Would anyone ever *not* want
thumbnails to have same orientation as the actual picture?

No one from MS here with any view on this please? IMO, it's a design
flaw. All my image browsers immediately reflect such edits and change
the thumbnail. Don't see any reason why Explorer/My Computer doesn't
do that, at the very least after a simple Refresh (F5). What added
value is there in a 'Refresh Thumbnail' command?

 

[Gregg Rivers [MSFT]]

Hi Dave,

I don't think this problem has anything to do with Irfanview. I used it to
change orientation and the thumb updated automatically in my My Pictures
folder in Thumbnail view.
I'm wondering if your thumbs.db file has become corrupt. Try deleting it
and see if that makes a difference in the behavior.

Thanks,
Gregg Rivers [MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups.

It's worse than I thought. The Explorer column view doesn't matter, and
the
manually-invoked Refresh Thumbnail DOES NOT PERSIST. The thumbnail
reverts
to the original image every time the folder is closed and reopened.

Gregg, here are more specifics related to Terry's problem (and mine):
With Explorer open in any view, I click on a photo file to open
Irfanview,
the viewer/editor I prefer. I crop and rotate, including custom
fractional
degree rotations to compensate for less-than-perfect leveling of my
point-and-shoot camera. Then I save, replacing the original photo but
leaving the filename unchanged. From that point on (with Irfanview
closed,
Explorer views changed and refreshed, and even with Explorer closed and
Windows XP restarted), the thumbnail shows the original unedited image.
Only
individually right-clicking each image and selecting Refresh Thumbnail
does
the trick. I agree with Terry that this is a design flaw.
While you are trying to reproduce our observations, this may be a factor:
I
always change the columns in Explorer to view the date the picture was
taken
instead of the default (inappropriate for photos) date last modified. I
alway sort on the date taken. I can't imagine that Explorer uses only
currently displayed file information to activate an automatic refresh,
but
that may be one more thing for you to check.

Hello Terry,

Was the Explorer window open when the picture was rotated? What
program was
used to rotate the picture? What view is the Explorer window
displaying
thumbs in (filmstrip, thumbnails, tiles, etc)? In looking at this
issue,
the thumbnail was rotated either when I used Explorer to do the rotate
or
when I launched Windows Picture and Fax Viewer from Explorer to do the
rotate.

Thanks,
Gregg Rivers [MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups.



I have a photo of a baby taken lying down, but I've since rotated it
90 deg for more convenient viewing. Yet in a My Computer folder its
thumbnail is shown in landscape mode, i.e. lying down. The status
bar
information contradicts this by showing 594 x 925, and when opened
in
any of several image viewers/editors, the photo is correctly
displayed
in portrait mode, i.e. with the head at the top.

What can make the thumbnail display incorrectly please?

OK, thanks, minutes later I found the cause! But must say I find it
odd to have to refresh thumbnails manually. At the very least, I'd
have expected them to get refreshed either every time I used F5 to
Refresh the whole folder (which I'm in the habit of doing regularly),
or every time the folder is opened.

Or is there some point I'm missing here? Would anyone ever *not* want
thumbnails to have same orientation as the actual picture?

No one from MS here with any view on this please? IMO, it's a design
flaw. All my image browsers immediately reflect such edits and change
the thumbnail. Don't see any reason why Explorer/My Computer doesn't
do that, at the very least after a simple Refresh (F5). What added
value is there in a 'Refresh Thumbnail' command?

 

[jackster]

PLEASE HELP!!!

This is causing me greate problems to.

I run the IT in a fashion firm. We take digital pictures of all samples and we have 1000's of images.

If an image is changed the thumbnail does not update. Whether this is through PAINT or PHOTOSHOP its still the same. The only way to update the thumbnail is to either:
a) rename the image.
b) click refreash thumbnail.

This is very dangerous as we find it hard to find the images we are looking for.

I would really like a utility that could be run at a specified time to force windows to update its thumbnails or better still for the thumbnail to be updated whenever the file is modifed (NOT JUST WHEN IT IS CREATED).

FYI... It appears that when you run SBS 2003 and use shared folders on the server the thumbs are stored on the server and the client machines use the thumbs generated on the server to display the images locally. This obviously reduces network congestion.

Any more thoughts would be greatly appreciated

Thanks,

Jack