Why is SP2 so big? It doesn't do much

[Len Bolt]

David Maynard, the snuffly, boiling glove doll, and itinerant dealer in
small goods and general pedlar, reproved:

Hardly.

"We have had patches virtually everyday since 09/11/2001" is a figure of
speech, you ****headed, chirruping, incongruous, inchoative puddle. And as
far as figures of speech go, it isn't too far off the ****ing mark. Grow a
****ing brain, you lame ****.

 

[Toad]

It's called Mozilla. -Dave

or Crazy Browser, GreenBrowser, MyIE2, DeepNet which are all free
front-ends to IE with tabbed interfaces and include pop-up blockers too.

toad

 

[Toad]

Serious question - why is SP2 so big?

It's about (80 to 100 MB for users fully up to date with XP patches
and is 200 plus MB for those who haven't been applying patches.

Let's say it is a average minimum of 90 MB. That is very big. Why
is it so large?

At least it fits on a single CD. Almost all the latest Linux distros
are 3 700MB ISO files

Toad

 

[David Maynard]

David Maynard, the snuffly, boiling glove doll, and itinerant dealer in
small goods and general pedlar, reproved:




"We have had patches virtually everyday since 09/11/2001" is a figure of
speech, you ****headed, chirruping, incongruous, inchoative puddle. And as
far as figures of speech go, it isn't too far off the ****ing mark. Grow a
****ing brain, you lame ****.

You may rest assured I will give your comments all the consideration they
deserve.

 

[Paul]

Mixxy wrote:




At least it fits on a single CD. Almost all the latest Linux distros
are 3 700MB ISO files

So would Windows if it included all the additional tools, utilities
compilers etc that the Linux distros include.

 

[ToolPackinMama]

So would Windows if it included all the additional tools, utilities
compilers etc that the Linux distros include.

Good lord, yes. Linux comes with hundreds of programs. Windows XP
would fill several CDs if you included SP1 all the patches, and SP2, but
that wouldn't include hundreds of applications, that would just be for
the OS alone.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Since SP-2 includes all the Critical Updates included with SP-1, there
is no need to include updates or SP-1 with SP-2.
Windows XP with SP-2 easily fits on one CD.

 

[JAD]

Why would it need those? compilers for what....its a work in progress
granted, but there is no need for the end user to have to use
compilers. It come with the utilities it needs..xinux needs all those?

 

[JAD]

would there be much of a difference between the size of the OS with or
without the service 0 0. installed? has anybody looked to see if the
'size' grows -dramatically- with the install of the PSS. I realize
that the delivery size is 'x' megs but after the SP is applied, the
install folders and all unneeded / duplicate files are deleted. The
fact is I'm not sure if there are files ADDED as much as they are
overwritten? Went to check the size of my backup compared to the size
currently on the HD, No go as the backup now contains the SP. (been
awhile now since I installed it on the Granddaughters Machine)

 

[ToolPackinMama]

Since SP-2 includes all the Critical Updates included with SP-1, there
is no need to include updates or SP-1 with SP-2.
Windows XP with SP-2 easily fits on one CD.

Maybe so, but that's still only the OS. It doesn't include a full
office suite like Open Office, plus hundreds (thousands? of additional
applications, utilities, compilers, games, etc. including GIMP.

 

[ToolPackinMama]

Why would it need those? compilers for what....its a work in progress
granted, but there is no need for the end user to have to use
compilers. It come with the utilities it needs..xinux needs all those?

Linux gives the end-user more freedom, control, and choices. Most
desktop PC end-users won't use all of that freedom, control and choices,
but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be made available to them.

 

[Diogenes]

Maybe so, but that's still only the OS. It doesn't include a full
office suite like Open Office, plus hundreds (thousands? of additional
applications, utilities, compilers, games, etc. including GIMP.

That was not in the statement posted by you that these responses are for.
Your post was inane and showed that you don't know anything about Windows and
its updates.


You're a typical linuxfuck.
Linux makes you stupid.
All linux users (lusers) are gay.

 

[Diogenes]

Linux gives the end-user more freedom, control, and choices. Most
desktop PC end-users won't use all of that freedom, control and
choices, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be made available to
them.

No, linux doesn't have support for modern peripherals and the end-users are
supposed to write their own drivers and relink the kernel. That's why linux
bundles tools needed by linux, and Windows don't because they are unneeded.

You're a typical linuxfuck.
Linux makes you stupid.
All linux users (lusers) are gay.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

But that is what you were saying "for the OS alone"
Your entire sentence is listed below to refresh your memory on what
you wrote.

"Windows XP would fill several CDs if you included SP1 all the
patches, and SP2, but
that wouldn't include hundreds of applications, that would just be for
the OS alone."
The above statement is obviously wrong.

As for Office games etc, that all depends on what you install.
This is not unique to windows or any other OS.
A basic fact applies to all...the more you install, the larger it is
and the more CDs will be needed.

 

[Apollo]

would there be much of a difference between the size of the OS with or
without the service 0 0. installed? has anybody looked to see if the
'size' grows -dramatically- with the install of the PSS. I realize
that the delivery size is 'x' megs but after the SP is applied, the
install folders and all unneeded / duplicate files are deleted. The
fact is I'm not sure if there are files ADDED as much as they are
overwritten? Went to check the size of my backup compared to the size
currently on the HD, No go as the backup now contains the SP. (been
awhile now since I installed it on the Granddaughters Machine)

I've just had a look at the CD's, installs will vary greatly from machine to
machine due to different hardware and installed options.

WinXP PRO SP1
6658 Files
159 Folders
560,745,861 bytes

WinXP PRO SP2
6999 Files
204 Folders
649,015,872 bytes

So not that much difference really, I may do a 'diff' from my linux box to
see how many of the original files were changed, If I get the time later.

HTH

 

[The Grass is greener]

On 7 Sep 2004 15:39:28 -0700, [Aquila Deus] said :-

But:
- It stills use a lot of RAM
- It's still as slow as it used to be
- Still has virus, adware and spyware!

What a complete load of hogwash.

 

[Dave C.]

SOP for any software house to do a rollup.


Same thing, except it also adds new functionality that's almost enough to
have been called WindowsXP SE and sold as a new release.

OK, what can you do with SP2 that couldn't be done before? I've heard it
turns on the XP firewall which was always there, but you should WANT to turn
that one off anyway, if you have a decent firewall. I'm curious. What can
SP2 users do that I can't? (typing this on SP1a) -Dave

 

[Dave C.]

or Crazy Browser, GreenBrowser, MyIE2, DeepNet which are all free
front-ends to IE with tabbed interfaces and include pop-up blockers too.

toad

To borrow a line from a recent movie I saw on Showtime . . .

Sometimes you have to tear something down to rebuild it.

Which is my way of saying the easiest way to fix something as broken as IE
is to replace it with something decent. -Dave

 

[Dave C.]

So would Windows if it included all the additional tools, utilities
compilers etc that the Linux distros include.

Not to mention gobs of free software. Imagine if Microsoft released Windows
with all the Office Applications. It would fit nicely on one DVD,
hough. -Dave

 

[Dave C.]

Why would it need those? compilers for what....its a work in progress
granted, but there is no need for the end user to have to use
compilers. It come with the utilities it needs..xinux needs all those?

The last time I installed a recent linux distro, it did come on 3 CDs, but I
only needed the first one to fully install the OS and gobs of free software.
The other 2 CDs were the developer stuff. -Dave