Why is it legal...

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Mark & Donna Corbelli

....to load a program on my startup menu that will execute the next time I
boot up (i.e. data mining spyware) and sending out a virus is not. Aren't
they doing the same thing...installing unwanted detritus on my machine
without my expressed permission?
 
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....to load a program on my startup menu that will execute the next time I
boot up (i.e. data mining spyware) and sending out a virus is not. Aren't
they doing the same thing...installing unwanted detritus on my machine
without my expressed permission?


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I would think so, but who knows. Y dont you go ask a
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lawyer. Maybe he could help. If you do find out, can you
e-mail the answer to me @ (e-mail address removed)
 
Spyware and bots like "Gator" and others are generally installed "WITH" the
permission of the computer user. If people would actually read the
disclaimers that pop up on the screen before hitting the "yes" button, it
wouldnt be as big a problem.
 
"Well, then, it's extortion. If you don't allow me to install the stuff you
don't want, than you can't install the stuff you do want...
 
Greetings --

The spyware and adware _is_ generally being installed with your
permission. You simply haven't been reading all of the fine print and
license agreements when you click on all of the nifty "freebies" being
offered on the Internet. Of course, this doesn't mean that there
aren't unscrupulous people out there who do bundle in spyware without
permission; unfortunately, you'd have to prove that they've actually
caused you harm or misled you.

Bruce Chambers

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having both at once. -- RAH
 
Bruce, not when the "extra" stuff is loaded via visiting a web site or when
installing purchased software.
 
Mark & Donna Corbelli said:
That's another pet peeve... (I'm venting)... Why do I have to have msn crap
come up on my screen each time I start IE? I don't want it, why do I have to
have it?
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Probably because that's the way Bill wants it, and with his money, he can
probably get whatever he wants, eh?
 
I'm actually speaking of msn instant messenger. If I try to delete it, I get
the message that it will interfere with other programs if I do, so I just
let it alone.
 
For the original Poster. You can always do a clean install to
Get rid of that extra stuff. However, you should know what your are
doing first.

For Others

I have been tricked once in downloading a spyware, Said they were
installing Macromedia Flash, At the same time the were all installing
spyware. I would of not know this, but it crashed my computer.
Nothing in the agreement you click.

That why I always go down to Macromedia web site to install flash/ or
shockwave.


Note Macromedia did not install the spy. Macromedia is a good
company.

Greetings --

The spyware and adware _is_ generally being installed with your
permission. You simply haven't been reading all of the fine print and
license agreements when you click on all of the nifty "freebies" being
offered on the Internet. Of course, this doesn't mean that there
aren't unscrupulous people out there who do bundle in spyware without
permission; unfortunately, you'd have to prove that they've actually
caused you harm or misled you.

Bruce Chambers

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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH
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Disclaimer
My advice is as-is. It could trash your system.
 
Greetings --

MSN messenger isn't even part of Windows; it's something that you
have to deliberately download and install. Nor will it hurt anything
to uninstall it.

Bruce Chambers

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Really ? Well, I didn't install the thing on my wife's PC and it is on
there.
(sits in the task bar labelled "not logged in" etc.)
Attempts to get rid of it gets me the same warning message, and reference to
Outlook Express not working correctly. Has MS lied?
 
MSN Messenger or Windows Messenger. Whichever it is you got a box that someone clicked yes in to install.

If you remove messenger then messenger features won't be available in OE. So MS told the trurh, if you remove messenger it won't work anymore. But a bit obvious.
 
Thanks David, but the message refers to OE being "affected" if messenger is
removed.
Sort of slows you down, when you think that OE won't work properly.
A bit of "Innovative marketing " to sway people into using/keeping
messenger?

MSN Messenger or Windows Messenger. Whichever it is you got a box that
someone clicked yes in to install.

If you remove messenger then messenger features won't be available in OE. So
MS told the trurh, if you remove messenger it won't work anymore. But a bit
obvious.
 
Note Windows messenger has no ads. Although you have to refrain from installing MSN addin into it.

So you can remove it.
 
Are you on crack? MSN Messenger is bundled, with XP. Modifying sysoc.inf
(removing the word 'hide', from every line), followed by uninstalling
through add/remove programs...windows components, gets rid of it.

Now, it's not 'part' of Windows?

Come again?

I must be seeing things...


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Bruce Chambers stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:
 
Strontium said:
Are you on crack? MSN Messenger is bundled, with XP. Modifying sysoc.inf
(removing the word 'hide', from every line), followed by uninstalling
through add/remove programs...windows components, gets rid of it.

Now, it's not 'part' of Windows?

Come again?

I must be seeing things...


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Bruce Chambers stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:
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Pardon me but, MSN Messenger is NOT part of windows, you have to
download and install it... Windows Messenger is part of Windows XP!
These are two diff. programs! (which do the same actually)

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David Candy wrote:

| Some of these companies (the addin companies) have web sites that
| tell you how to uninstall just their product. You pay less if this
| stuff comes with it.
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| Note reputable software doesn't come with this stuff. I have not a
| single program (we'll exclude Messenger) that does this. Perhaps it's
| your choice of programs.
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|| Bruce, not when the "extra" stuff is loaded via visiting a web site
|| or when installing purchased software.


Well I cannot get Mavis Beacon teaches typing to install without
installing all of the AOL, etc crapola. This is a handy program
for the newcomers to typing. I have searched the retailers for
a comparable program and can find none. Most if not all of
Broderbund software is set up to install in this manner. This
may be legal, but I don't think that it is right.
 

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