Why does MS torment us with system restore

[Dave]

I'm just venting my anger. I knew system restore was a piece of crap and
would fail me when I needed it. Why don't you get this thing fixed Bill.
Probably because you already got my money. It's like throwing a shipwreck
victim a leaky life raft. The ironic part is it was a Microsoft wireless
access point/router install that messed up my system to begin with. I was
already a bit miffed about spending half a day on the phone with tech
support to get the thing to work at all. We had to flash the firmware in
the thing and I just bought it (802.11g). Not to mention the software is
poor at best. Ok well that helped a little even though I still have a sick
machine. Happy Holidays All (except Bill), Dave

 

[Willit]

Restore is not reliable. It's a marketing gimmick for MS.

You can turn it off from Control Panel > System > and
then
re-boot and it will purge it's file. Then turn it back on.

And try this if the above does not work.

1. Put the in the Windows XP CD
2. Click Start , Run
3. Type the following then OK

rundll32.exe advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
C:\Windows\Inf\sr.inf

You can also open Windows Explorer, go to
C:\Windows\Inf folder and right-click sr.inf (Then
Install)

You still have to deal the problem, it's a crap program,
that half works, half the time. It's like a parachute,
will it open if you need it ?? Maybe !!! It is not
isolated from any viruses and must be purged to keep from
a re-infection. If you use it, fine, Have I, yes !!! But
I learned the hard way about it's reliability, it can't
be trusted !! It's too easy to use NTBack-up to back up
your system state, but not to a cd, cause that's another
issue. Save it to a folder then burn it. Oh, I forgot you
may have to install NTBackup since MS decided you did not
need it in XP Home, that 75% of users have. Oh, you have
a OEM and you don't have NTBackup.

Get it here :
http://www.onecomputerguy.com/software/ntbackup.msi

Do a real backup and get Erunt for your registry. It puts
a folder on your root dir with a installer.

http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.hederer/erunt/

If you're a true MS believer, Keep drinking the purple
Kool-ade, the Halle-Bop Comet is returning, they have
room for you !!

System Restore :: In MS's own words .......lol

"The System Restore feature of Windows XP enables you to
restore a PC, in the event of a problem, to a previous
state without losing personal data files. System Restore
actively monitors system file changes to record or store
previous versions before the changes occurred. With
System Restore, you never have to think about taking
system snapshots as it automatically creates easily
identifiable restore points, which allow you to restore
the system to a previous point in time."

"without losing personal data files". What does SR have
to do with personal data files ??

"you never have to think about taking system
snapshots" Oh, really.

Learn more:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?
url=/technet/itcommunity/Newsgroups/FAQSRWXP.asp

 

[rifleman]

|Restore is not reliable. It's a marketing gimmick for MS.
|
|

WILL YOU STOP POSTING THIS CRAP?

I have NEVER had any problem with Restore.

Why don't you get Linux if you can't cope with it?

 

[Ken Blake]

In

Restore is not reliable. It's a marketing gimmick for MS.

System Restore is not a cure for all problems, and is certainly
not a substitute for a backup. But it is far more than "a
marketing Gimmick for MS." It is a very useful feature, one that
has gotten me and many others out of trouble many times.

 

[David Williams]

I'm just venting my anger. I knew system restore was a piece of crap and
would fail me when I needed it. Why don't you get this thing fixed Bill.
Probably because you already got my money. It's like throwing a shipwreck
victim a leaky life raft. The ironic part is it was a Microsoft wireless
access point/router install that messed up my system to begin with. I was
already a bit miffed about spending half a day on the phone with tech
support to get the thing to work at all. We had to flash the firmware in
the thing and I just bought it (802.11g). Not to mention the software is
poor at best. Ok well that helped a little even though I still have a sick
machine. Happy Holidays All (except Bill), Dave

System Restore can work wonders. But as MS say it isn't a replacement for
Backup.

 

[Dave]

Thanks I'm testing Linux on a machine right now. But more often than not
system restore has not worked for me. It appears to be doing something but
on reboot says unsuccessful restore. I'm not the only one who reports
problems as you so kindly noted in your post. So they should fix it. And
while there at it fix defrag and scandisk for those unfortunate ME users
too.

 

[Guest]

Sounds like a Gimmick to me.

System Restore :: In MS's own words .......lol

"The System Restore feature of Windows XP enables you to
restore a PC, in the event of a problem, to a previous
state without losing personal data files. System Restore
actively monitors system file changes to record or store
previous versions before the changes occurred. With
System Restore, you never have to think about taking
system snapshots as it automatically creates easily
identifiable restore points, which allow you to restore
the system to a previous point in time."

 

[Willit]

Show me where they say that in their advertising. This is
in their 10 reasons to buy XP.

I see this:

"you never have to think about taking system
snapshots"

"without losing personal data files". What does SR have
to do with personal data files ??



System Restore :: In MS's own words .......lol

"The System Restore feature of Windows XP enables you to
restore a PC, in the event of a problem, to a previous
state without losing personal data files. System Restore
actively monitors system file changes to record or store
previous versions before the changes occurred. With
System Restore, you never have to think about taking
system snapshots as it automatically creates easily
identifiable restore points, which allow you to restore
the system to a previous point in time."

 

[Guest]

Block him...........lol

 

[Opinicus]

It's like
throwing a shipwreck victim a leaky life raft.

Tsk tsk tsk. Poor metaphor. You should have said "like throwing a shipwreck
victim an anvil" if you really want to do a rant.

 

[Michael Nosera]

Is there a reason it will restore to one restore point, but not to
another restore point that it created? Is there a time limit or
something? This AM I tried to restore my 'puter to a point before I
foolishly let a friend 'check his email' and it went through the whole
routine, only to inform me after the reboot that the restore was
unsuccessful. Then I tried a restore to yesterday, and it functioned
properly, restoring my settings to reestablish my desktop that I had
somehow deleted. Any assistance is much appreciated.

 

[Willit]

I have used it too, thats not the point !!!!!!! It's easy
to say it work for me and saved me, it's not that easy
for a novice user that believes it is reliable and it
does not work.

 

[Ian Smythe]

Thanks I'm testing Linux on a machine right now. But more often than not
system restore has not worked for me. It appears to be doing something but
on reboot says unsuccessful restore. I'm not the only one who reports
problems as you so kindly noted in your post. So they should fix it. And
while there at it fix defrag and scandisk for those unfortunate ME users
too.

The fault that you can't get System Restore working properly is you.

I have never had any problem with it. But then I haven't had any
problo=em with XP Pro. I did have problems with ME which was a piece
of crap. You saw how fast they dumped it! Now as to defrag and
scandisk, if you were involved with windows from day 1 you would know
that ANYTHING they give you free is not a full version or is near
the bottom of the line. I use diskeeper and it is fast and easy to
use. So go read "Win XP for Dummies" and maybe you will learn
something. And stop your ranting! If you insist then go to a ranting
newsgroup. :-(

 

[kurttrail]

By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
replying to this post, you agree that I am your everlasting Lord &
Saviour. Breach of this term will result in you burning in hell for
ever and ever! Amen!"

I have never had any problem with it. But then I haven't had any
problo=em with XP Pro. I did have problems with ME which was a
piece of crap. You saw how fast they dumped it! Now as to defrag
and scandisk, if you were involved with windows from day 1 you
would know that ANYTHING they give you free is not a full version
or is near the bottom of the line. I use diskeeper and it is fast
and easy to use. So go read "Win XP for Dummies" and maybe you
will learn something. And stop your ranting! If you insist then go
to a ranting newsgroup. :-(

System Restore is a piece of crap. Always has been, and probably always
will be. And people that rely on MS for protecting their computers from
disaster are only asking for problems. Nothing can replace a full disk
image of your OS partition, and can be kept quite small if one moves
their data files to another partition. I can restore my OS partition
usually in the same time it takes to run system restore.

"And stop your ranting! If you insist then go to a ranting newsgroup.
:-("

Who is worse, the guy ranting because he has a problem, or the guy
ranting about the guy who is ranting about his problem?

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[rifleman]

|Sounds like a Gimmick to me.
|
|System Restore :: In MS's own words .......lol
|
|"The System Restore feature of Windows XP enables you to
|restore a PC, in the event of a problem, to a previous
|state without losing personal data files. System Restore
|actively monitors system file changes to record or store
|previous versions before the changes occurred. With
|System Restore, you never have to think about taking
|system snapshots as it automatically creates easily
|identifiable restore points, which allow you to restore
|the system to a previous point in time."
|

Whats gimmicky or funny about that? It's certainly worked for me,
several times.

 

[rifleman]

|Show me where they say that in their advertising. This is
|in their 10 reasons to buy XP.
|
|I see this:
|
|"you never have to think about taking system
|snapshots"
|
|"without losing personal data files". What does SR have
|to do with personal data files ??

Nothing. That is the point - if you do a system restore to an earlier
date, your personal data files are UNAFFECTED! In words of one syllable,
if you **** up your system, and do a restore, your documents and email
remain as they were before the restore.

QED.

 

[rifleman]

|System Restore is a piece of crap. Always has been, and probably always
|will be. And people that rely on MS for protecting their computers from
|disaster are only asking for problems.

But MS themselves say "System Restore is NOT a replacement for
backups" - whether data or disk image, it doesn't matter.

 

[kurttrail]

"By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
replying to this post, you agree that I am your everlasting Lord &
Saviour. Breach of this term will result in you burning in hell for
ever and ever! Amen!"

But MS themselves say "System Restore is NOT a replacement for
backups" - whether data or disk image, it doesn't matter.

It doesn't say it on the page most consumers would find from the MS
Windows XP site.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/overviews/systemrestore.asp

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[kurttrail]

"By the act of scrolling this post on your computer, and/or printing or
replying to this post, you agree that I am your everlasting Lord &
Saviour. Breach of this term will result in you burning in hell for
ever and ever! Amen!"

But MS themselves say "System Restore is NOT a replacement for
backups" - whether data or disk image, it doesn't matter.

And not on this How to MS WinXP site.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/howto/gethelp/systemrestore.asp

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[Scott M.]

I think you've hit the nail on the head here.

A novice user is just that, a novice user. Their system could be having
trouble for weeks (without severe symptoms showing up) and when those
symptoms do finally manifest themselves, they might try to do a restore to a
point which, they believe, was good when, in fact, it may not be.

So restoring your system to a point that was no good will result in not a
good restore.

FYI - I have used restore many times (I often test software and then remove
it) and never had a problem with it. I also set my own restore points when
I am happy with the build I have.