Why does MS force me to reactivate XP PRO?

[WindPipe]

Continue blowing yourself you Oedipal idiot.

- WindPipe

 

[Alias]

Continue blowing yourself you Oedipal idiot.

Typical MS Fanboy knee-jerk reaction: insult the messenger (usually with
a elementary school type insult) and ignore the content.

Alias

 

[Alan]

So, if under Australian law the EULA in NOT enforceable and someone refuses
to re-activate they still will have an O/S that doesn't work.

It seems the next step is for someone to take Microsoft to Court to remedy
the situation of their having non-working system by not re-activating. Has
anyone done that?

The law might be the law, but until someone sues to have it enforced, it's
rather useless.

Alan

 

[Unknown]

The real question is: Why does it bother YOU?

Yeah, the button you always hit when you hijack someone else's thread to
grind your axe.

Not my ax, hoss. It's Microsoft that assumes you are guilty of piracy
until you prove otherwise. If that doesn't bother you, there's something
wrong with you and you've obviously been brainwashed to react with a "how
high?" when MS says "jump".

Alias

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Butt out, Alias.

My, what a convincing argument! LOL! Hit a button, did I?

Alias

Alias wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
In the time it took you to write your post, you could have called a
toll-free number and reactivated.

Not the point.


Description of Microsoft Product Activation:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302806

For any legal minded folk, the onus of proof shifts from presumption
of
innocence to presumption of guilt. I have to prove innocence. MS
need do
nothing apparently - their work is done having caught me in a
criminal
act
of BIOS altering without their permission or consent.

Have you read your WinXP EULA lately?

You mean the one that if you don't agree with it you can't get your
money back, that one? How many people who bought a preinstalled copy
of
XP on a new computer got the chance to read it before accepting it or
is
the acceptance assumed when they purchase the system?

WPA and WGA only serve to inconvenience paying customers and do
absolutely nothing to stop piracy.

Alias


mcullet wrote:
Hi,

I do not endorse piracy. You use it - you pay for it.

MS has a legitimate right to protect their commercial interests.
It's
one
of those self evident statements that are tough to argue against.
However,
as with all things the devil is in the detail.

MS Does not have the right to kick down my door at 3 am to see if I
have a
COA on hand. Sounds absurd? How about this? MS decides I'm a
pirate
(might be a pirate?) and unilaterally pulls the pin on XP PRO after
3
days
UNLESS I behave like a good little sheep and do as I'm told (see
Pavlov)?

The problem with large organisations (and government) is that they
need to
be reminded once in a while that they are not all powerful and they
do
not
have unqualified control (power / authority / legal rights) over
what we
do.
Staying only with MS, the issue is one of enforcement of contractual
obligations: essentially enforcement of promises.

I legally purchased an XP PRO licence and have used it strictly in
accord
with the licence agreement. Software changes, as we are all to
familiar
with observing. These occur because of an amalgam of bug fixes,
security
patches and evolution (feature enhancement or deprecation). The
hardware
environment is more likely to change as the machine ages. I'll
leave it
to
others to determine at what point the original PC changes
sufficiently to
warrant paying for another licence but this issue is central to MS
dilemma
and needs wide debate.

MS abuse their positon every time they unjustifiably force a user to
reactivate their legally purchased software. In legal terms, they
are in
breach of contract because they unilaterally terminate the agreement
by
rendering the OS unusable. If I wanted to be an idiot I could waste
my
life
getting MS to play the reactivation game 24 / 7. I have more
interesting
things to do. However, this is the absurd position MS force upon
legitimate
customers and themselves because they (MS) distributed flawed
security
controls in their operating system - XP PRO.

The definition of flawed is to be interpretted in its natural
meaning.

I changed no hardware on my PC. Not one piece of hardware was added
or
removed excluding inter alia, as required, attchment of USB drives /
printeres.

I altered a bios setting.

This heinous act triggered MS's software control systems which
'determined'
that I had breached my contractual agreement with MS: I've been
given a
generous 3 days to fix the problem (re-activate) or MS will
functionally
challenge my lawful ability to enjoy my XP licence INCLUDING all
other
functions and features (games / internet / documents / commercial
applications etc). This is distrubingly, ominously reminisent of
Orwellian
logic (courtesy of 1984): "double speak". The MS security control
was
triggered ergo I am a criminal until I prove otherwise. The control
would
not have triggered unless I was in breach of my contract with MS
(logic
loop).

For any legal minded folk, the onus of proof shifts from presumption
of
innocence to presumption of guilt. I have to prove innocence. MS
need do
nothing apparently - their work is done having caught me in a
criminal
act
of BIOS altering without their permission or consent.

Sorry. The only thing wrong is with MS's flawed anti-piracy
efforts.
Unless I do what MS tell me (reactivate) then I am at fault.
"Honest
people
won't object ... just the pirates." Yeah - pigs fly. I'm seriously
annoyed
and about to be seriously inconvenienced by a party to a software
contract
imposing additional costs (consideration) upon me after a legal
contract
was
executed. I have no remedy other than take MS to court.

On the other hand, using purely lawful means, I can bring this
absurdity
to
the attention of the media who love bashing MS and let them feed on
the
company. Bad publicity for bad practices ... seems to be an elegant
balance
of karma.

MS - I am not a pirate but a lawful and legal customer. I've done
nothing
wrong. You do not have any right to terminate my lawful enjoyment
of
this
software (XP PRO) and your efforts to do so are called conversion -
a
tort.
It is actionable per se which means I do not need to prove anything
other
than that this has happened. MS's legal defences are limited and in
context, none apply.

So, how inconvenient would it be for me to take MS to court for
trespass
property and or breach of contract? To me - not much. Like I said,
I
need
only prove MS has interfered with the lawful enjoyment of my
software
licence.

Why not just call MS and sort it out? Well, I've done nothing
wrong.
I've
paid for the licence. Phone calls aren't free nor is my time or the
inconvenience to me. I anticipate I may make a few adjustments to
BIOS
settings / hardware configuration (swapping SATA drives in / out
etc) ...
system performance tweaking. If i activate then I will be forced to
call
MS
(big brother) to calm them down and get their OK to live a normal
life.
Good grief ... people have become too hesitant to speak out against
absurd
commercial practices that intrude too far into our lives. I'm not a
sheep
nor an evangelist ... just one annoyed customer who has finally had
enough
of this crap.

Game on MS ... I'm not happy and I do not appreciate being
inconvenienced
without due cause.

Watch this space ...

Mike
Australia

 

[Unknown]

MS needs to protect themselves from people like you.

 

[Alias]

The real question is: Why does it bother YOU?

That's obvious; I don't like being accused of piracy when I have bought
the product. I especially don't like being accused over and over and
over again. As an example, once I had a problem with my NIC and ended up
having to change it. I had to activate not once, not twice but five
times before it would accept the fact that changing a NIC does not a
pirate make. I was frustrated enough with the NIC problem that the LAST
thing I needed was to have to jump through the WPA hoop FIVE times.

Alias

Yeah, the button you always hit when you hijack someone else's thread to
grind your axe.

Not my ax, hoss. It's Microsoft that assumes you are guilty of piracy
until you prove otherwise. If that doesn't bother you, there's something
wrong with you and you've obviously been brainwashed to react with a "how
high?" when MS says "jump".

Alias

Alias wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Butt out, Alias.
My, what a convincing argument! LOL! Hit a button, did I?

Alias
Alias wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
In the time it took you to write your post, you could have called a
toll-free number and reactivated.
Not the point.

Description of Microsoft Product Activation:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302806

For any legal minded folk, the onus of proof shifts from presumption
of
innocence to presumption of guilt. I have to prove innocence. MS
need do
nothing apparently - their work is done having caught me in a
criminal
act
of BIOS altering without their permission or consent.
Have you read your WinXP EULA lately?
You mean the one that if you don't agree with it you can't get your
money back, that one? How many people who bought a preinstalled copy
of
XP on a new computer got the chance to read it before accepting it or
is
the acceptance assumed when they purchase the system?

WPA and WGA only serve to inconvenience paying customers and do
absolutely nothing to stop piracy.

Alias

mcullet wrote:
Hi,

I do not endorse piracy. You use it - you pay for it.

MS has a legitimate right to protect their commercial interests.
It's
one
of those self evident statements that are tough to argue against.
However,
as with all things the devil is in the detail.

MS Does not have the right to kick down my door at 3 am to see if I
have a
COA on hand. Sounds absurd? How about this? MS decides I'm a
pirate
(might be a pirate?) and unilaterally pulls the pin on XP PRO after
3
days
UNLESS I behave like a good little sheep and do as I'm told (see
Pavlov)?

The problem with large organisations (and government) is that they
need to
be reminded once in a while that they are not all powerful and they
do
not
have unqualified control (power / authority / legal rights) over
what we
do.
Staying only with MS, the issue is one of enforcement of contractual
obligations: essentially enforcement of promises.

I legally purchased an XP PRO licence and have used it strictly in
accord
with the licence agreement. Software changes, as we are all to
familiar
with observing. These occur because of an amalgam of bug fixes,
security
patches and evolution (feature enhancement or deprecation). The
hardware
environment is more likely to change as the machine ages. I'll
leave it
to
others to determine at what point the original PC changes
sufficiently to
warrant paying for another licence but this issue is central to MS
dilemma
and needs wide debate.

MS abuse their positon every time they unjustifiably force a user to
reactivate their legally purchased software. In legal terms, they
are in
breach of contract because they unilaterally terminate the agreement
by
rendering the OS unusable. If I wanted to be an idiot I could waste
my
life
getting MS to play the reactivation game 24 / 7. I have more
interesting
things to do. However, this is the absurd position MS force upon
legitimate
customers and themselves because they (MS) distributed flawed
security
controls in their operating system - XP PRO.

The definition of flawed is to be interpretted in its natural
meaning.

I changed no hardware on my PC. Not one piece of hardware was added
or
removed excluding inter alia, as required, attchment of USB drives /
printeres.

I altered a bios setting.

This heinous act triggered MS's software control systems which
'determined'
that I had breached my contractual agreement with MS: I've been
given a
generous 3 days to fix the problem (re-activate) or MS will
functionally
challenge my lawful ability to enjoy my XP licence INCLUDING all
other
functions and features (games / internet / documents / commercial
applications etc). This is distrubingly, ominously reminisent of
Orwellian
logic (courtesy of 1984): "double speak". The MS security control
was
triggered ergo I am a criminal until I prove otherwise. The control
would
not have triggered unless I was in breach of my contract with MS
(logic
loop).

For any legal minded folk, the onus of proof shifts from presumption
of
innocence to presumption of guilt. I have to prove innocence. MS
need do
nothing apparently - their work is done having caught me in a
criminal
act
of BIOS altering without their permission or consent.

Sorry. The only thing wrong is with MS's flawed anti-piracy
efforts.
Unless I do what MS tell me (reactivate) then I am at fault.
"Honest
people
won't object ... just the pirates." Yeah - pigs fly. I'm seriously
annoyed
and about to be seriously inconvenienced by a party to a software
contract
imposing additional costs (consideration) upon me after a legal
contract
was
executed. I have no remedy other than take MS to court.

On the other hand, using purely lawful means, I can bring this
absurdity
to
the attention of the media who love bashing MS and let them feed on
the
company. Bad publicity for bad practices ... seems to be an elegant
balance
of karma.

MS - I am not a pirate but a lawful and legal customer. I've done
nothing
wrong. You do not have any right to terminate my lawful enjoyment
of
this
software (XP PRO) and your efforts to do so are called conversion -
a
tort.
It is actionable per se which means I do not need to prove anything
other
than that this has happened. MS's legal defences are limited and in
context, none apply.

So, how inconvenient would it be for me to take MS to court for
trespass
property and or breach of contract? To me - not much. Like I said,
I
need
only prove MS has interfered with the lawful enjoyment of my
software
licence.

Why not just call MS and sort it out? Well, I've done nothing
wrong.
I've
paid for the licence. Phone calls aren't free nor is my time or the
inconvenience to me. I anticipate I may make a few adjustments to
BIOS
settings / hardware configuration (swapping SATA drives in / out
etc) ...
system performance tweaking. If i activate then I will be forced to
call
MS
(big brother) to calm them down and get their OK to live a normal
life.
Good grief ... people have become too hesitant to speak out against
absurd
commercial practices that intrude too far into our lives. I'm not a
sheep
nor an evangelist ... just one annoyed customer who has finally had
enough
of this crap.

Game on MS ... I'm not happy and I do not appreciate being
inconvenienced
without due cause.

Watch this space ...

Mike
Australia

 

[Alias]

MS needs to protect themselves from people like you.

Another top posting MS fanboy having the typical knee-jerk reaction:
don't comment on content, insult the poster.

Alias

 

[Unknown]

IN LINE!

That's obvious; I don't like being accused of piracy when I have bought
the product.

Who accused you? Is it in your mind?
I especially don't like being accused over and over and

over again.

How many times? Your imagination?
As an example, once I had a problem with my NIC and ended up

having to change it. I had to activate not once, not twice but five times
before it would accept the fact that changing a NIC does not a pirate
make.

Does reactivating really hurt your ego that much? Calm down and go with the
flow.
I was frustrated enough with the NIC problem that the LAST

thing I needed was to have to jump through the WPA hoop FIVE times.

You must be extremely nervous. With that characteristic why do you have a
computer?

Alias

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Yeah, the button you always hit when you hijack someone else's thread
to grind your axe.
Not my ax, hoss. It's Microsoft that assumes you are guilty of piracy
until you prove otherwise. If that doesn't bother you, there's something
wrong with you and you've obviously been brainwashed to react with a
"how high?" when MS says "jump".

Alias
Alias wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Butt out, Alias.
My, what a convincing argument! LOL! Hit a button, did I?

Alias
Alias wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
In the time it took you to write your post, you could have called a
toll-free number and reactivated.
Not the point.

Description of Microsoft Product Activation:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302806

For any legal minded folk, the onus of proof shifts from
presumption of
innocence to presumption of guilt. I have to prove innocence. MS
need do
nothing apparently - their work is done having caught me in a
criminal
act
of BIOS altering without their permission or consent.
Have you read your WinXP EULA lately?
You mean the one that if you don't agree with it you can't get your
money back, that one? How many people who bought a preinstalled copy
of
XP on a new computer got the chance to read it before accepting it
or is
the acceptance assumed when they purchase the system?

WPA and WGA only serve to inconvenience paying customers and do
absolutely nothing to stop piracy.

Alias

mcullet wrote:
Hi,

I do not endorse piracy. You use it - you pay for it.

MS has a legitimate right to protect their commercial interests.
It's
one
of those self evident statements that are tough to argue against.
However,
as with all things the devil is in the detail.

MS Does not have the right to kick down my door at 3 am to see if
I
have a
COA on hand. Sounds absurd? How about this? MS decides I'm a
pirate
(might be a pirate?) and unilaterally pulls the pin on XP PRO
after 3
days
UNLESS I behave like a good little sheep and do as I'm told (see
Pavlov)?

The problem with large organisations (and government) is that they
need to
be reminded once in a while that they are not all powerful and
they do
not
have unqualified control (power / authority / legal rights) over
what we
do.
Staying only with MS, the issue is one of enforcement of
contractual
obligations: essentially enforcement of promises.

I legally purchased an XP PRO licence and have used it strictly in
accord
with the licence agreement. Software changes, as we are all to
familiar
with observing. These occur because of an amalgam of bug fixes,
security
patches and evolution (feature enhancement or deprecation). The
hardware
environment is more likely to change as the machine ages. I'll
leave it
to
others to determine at what point the original PC changes
sufficiently to
warrant paying for another licence but this issue is central to MS
dilemma
and needs wide debate.

MS abuse their positon every time they unjustifiably force a user
to
reactivate their legally purchased software. In legal terms, they
are in
breach of contract because they unilaterally terminate the
agreement by
rendering the OS unusable. If I wanted to be an idiot I could
waste my
life
getting MS to play the reactivation game 24 / 7. I have more
interesting
things to do. However, this is the absurd position MS force upon
legitimate
customers and themselves because they (MS) distributed flawed
security
controls in their operating system - XP PRO.

The definition of flawed is to be interpretted in its natural
meaning.

I changed no hardware on my PC. Not one piece of hardware was
added or
removed excluding inter alia, as required, attchment of USB drives
/
printeres.

I altered a bios setting.

This heinous act triggered MS's software control systems which
'determined'
that I had breached my contractual agreement with MS: I've been
given a
generous 3 days to fix the problem (re-activate) or MS will
functionally
challenge my lawful ability to enjoy my XP licence INCLUDING all
other
functions and features (games / internet / documents / commercial
applications etc). This is distrubingly, ominously reminisent of
Orwellian
logic (courtesy of 1984): "double speak". The MS security control
was
triggered ergo I am a criminal until I prove otherwise. The
control
would
not have triggered unless I was in breach of my contract with MS
(logic
loop).

For any legal minded folk, the onus of proof shifts from
presumption of
innocence to presumption of guilt. I have to prove innocence. MS
need do
nothing apparently - their work is done having caught me in a
criminal
act
of BIOS altering without their permission or consent.

Sorry. The only thing wrong is with MS's flawed anti-piracy
efforts.
Unless I do what MS tell me (reactivate) then I am at fault.
"Honest
people
won't object ... just the pirates." Yeah - pigs fly. I'm
seriously
annoyed
and about to be seriously inconvenienced by a party to a software
contract
imposing additional costs (consideration) upon me after a legal
contract
was
executed. I have no remedy other than take MS to court.

On the other hand, using purely lawful means, I can bring this
absurdity
to
the attention of the media who love bashing MS and let them feed
on the
company. Bad publicity for bad practices ... seems to be an
elegant
balance
of karma.

MS - I am not a pirate but a lawful and legal customer. I've done
nothing
wrong. You do not have any right to terminate my lawful enjoyment
of
this
software (XP PRO) and your efforts to do so are called
conversion - a
tort.
It is actionable per se which means I do not need to prove
anything
other
than that this has happened. MS's legal defences are limited and
in
context, none apply.

So, how inconvenient would it be for me to take MS to court for
trespass
property and or breach of contract? To me - not much. Like I
said, I
need
only prove MS has interfered with the lawful enjoyment of my
software
licence.

Why not just call MS and sort it out? Well, I've done nothing
wrong.
I've
paid for the licence. Phone calls aren't free nor is my time or
the
inconvenience to me. I anticipate I may make a few adjustments to
BIOS
settings / hardware configuration (swapping SATA drives in / out
etc) ...
system performance tweaking. If i activate then I will be forced
to
call
MS
(big brother) to calm them down and get their OK to live a normal
life.
Good grief ... people have become too hesitant to speak out
against
absurd
commercial practices that intrude too far into our lives. I'm not
a
sheep
nor an evangelist ... just one annoyed customer who has finally
had
enough
of this crap.

Game on MS ... I'm not happy and I do not appreciate being
inconvenienced
without due cause.

Watch this space ...

Mike
Australia

 

[Unknown]

You deserve every bit of it! Get a life!

Another top posting MS fanboy having the typical knee-jerk reaction: don't
comment on content, insult the poster.

Alias

 

[Alias]

IN LINE!

Who accused you? Is it in your mind?
I especially don't like being accused over and over and
How many times? Your imagination?
As an example, once I had a problem with my NIC and ended up
Does reactivating really hurt your ego that much? Calm down and go with the
flow.
I was frustrated enough with the NIC problem that the LAST
You must be extremely nervous. With that characteristic why do you have a
computer?

More insults, no comment on content. Ho hum.

Alias

Alias

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Yeah, the button you always hit when you hijack someone else's thread
to grind your axe.
Not my ax, hoss. It's Microsoft that assumes you are guilty of piracy
until you prove otherwise. If that doesn't bother you, there's something
wrong with you and you've obviously been brainwashed to react with a
"how high?" when MS says "jump".

Alias
Alias wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Butt out, Alias.
My, what a convincing argument! LOL! Hit a button, did I?

Alias
Alias wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
In the time it took you to write your post, you could have called a
toll-free number and reactivated.
Not the point.

Description of Microsoft Product Activation:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302806

For any legal minded folk, the onus of proof shifts from
presumption of
innocence to presumption of guilt. I have to prove innocence. MS
need do
nothing apparently - their work is done having caught me in a
criminal
act
of BIOS altering without their permission or consent.
Have you read your WinXP EULA lately?
You mean the one that if you don't agree with it you can't get your
money back, that one? How many people who bought a preinstalled copy
of
XP on a new computer got the chance to read it before accepting it
or is
the acceptance assumed when they purchase the system?

WPA and WGA only serve to inconvenience paying customers and do
absolutely nothing to stop piracy.

Alias
mcullet wrote:
Hi,

I do not endorse piracy. You use it - you pay for it.

MS has a legitimate right to protect their commercial interests.
It's
one
of those self evident statements that are tough to argue against.
However,
as with all things the devil is in the detail.

MS Does not have the right to kick down my door at 3 am to see if
I
have a
COA on hand. Sounds absurd? How about this? MS decides I'm a
pirate
(might be a pirate?) and unilaterally pulls the pin on XP PRO
after 3
days
UNLESS I behave like a good little sheep and do as I'm told (see
Pavlov)?

The problem with large organisations (and government) is that they
need to
be reminded once in a while that they are not all powerful and
they do
not
have unqualified control (power / authority / legal rights) over
what we
do.
Staying only with MS, the issue is one of enforcement of
contractual
obligations: essentially enforcement of promises.

I legally purchased an XP PRO licence and have used it strictly in
accord
with the licence agreement. Software changes, as we are all to
familiar
with observing. These occur because of an amalgam of bug fixes,
security
patches and evolution (feature enhancement or deprecation). The
hardware
environment is more likely to change as the machine ages. I'll
leave it
to
others to determine at what point the original PC changes
sufficiently to
warrant paying for another licence but this issue is central to MS
dilemma
and needs wide debate.

MS abuse their positon every time they unjustifiably force a user
to
reactivate their legally purchased software. In legal terms, they
are in
breach of contract because they unilaterally terminate the
agreement by
rendering the OS unusable. If I wanted to be an idiot I could
waste my
life
getting MS to play the reactivation game 24 / 7. I have more
interesting
things to do. However, this is the absurd position MS force upon
legitimate
customers and themselves because they (MS) distributed flawed
security
controls in their operating system - XP PRO.

The definition of flawed is to be interpretted in its natural
meaning.

I changed no hardware on my PC. Not one piece of hardware was
added or
removed excluding inter alia, as required, attchment of USB drives
/
printeres.

I altered a bios setting.

This heinous act triggered MS's software control systems which
'determined'
that I had breached my contractual agreement with MS: I've been
given a
generous 3 days to fix the problem (re-activate) or MS will
functionally
challenge my lawful ability to enjoy my XP licence INCLUDING all
other
functions and features (games / internet / documents / commercial
applications etc). This is distrubingly, ominously reminisent of
Orwellian
logic (courtesy of 1984): "double speak". The MS security control
was
triggered ergo I am a criminal until I prove otherwise. The
control
would
not have triggered unless I was in breach of my contract with MS
(logic
loop).

For any legal minded folk, the onus of proof shifts from
presumption of
innocence to presumption of guilt. I have to prove innocence. MS
need do
nothing apparently - their work is done having caught me in a
criminal
act
of BIOS altering without their permission or consent.

Sorry. The only thing wrong is with MS's flawed anti-piracy
efforts.
Unless I do what MS tell me (reactivate) then I am at fault.
"Honest
people
won't object ... just the pirates." Yeah - pigs fly. I'm
seriously
annoyed
and about to be seriously inconvenienced by a party to a software
contract
imposing additional costs (consideration) upon me after a legal
contract
was
executed. I have no remedy other than take MS to court.

On the other hand, using purely lawful means, I can bring this
absurdity
to
the attention of the media who love bashing MS and let them feed
on the
company. Bad publicity for bad practices ... seems to be an
elegant
balance
of karma.

MS - I am not a pirate but a lawful and legal customer. I've done
nothing
wrong. You do not have any right to terminate my lawful enjoyment
of
this
software (XP PRO) and your efforts to do so are called
conversion - a
tort.
It is actionable per se which means I do not need to prove
anything
other
than that this has happened. MS's legal defences are limited and
in
context, none apply.

So, how inconvenient would it be for me to take MS to court for
trespass
property and or breach of contract? To me - not much. Like I
said, I
need
only prove MS has interfered with the lawful enjoyment of my
software
licence.

Why not just call MS and sort it out? Well, I've done nothing
wrong.
I've
paid for the licence. Phone calls aren't free nor is my time or
the
inconvenience to me. I anticipate I may make a few adjustments to
BIOS
settings / hardware configuration (swapping SATA drives in / out
etc) ...
system performance tweaking. If i activate then I will be forced
to
call
MS
(big brother) to calm them down and get their OK to live a normal
life.
Good grief ... people have become too hesitant to speak out
against
absurd
commercial practices that intrude too far into our lives. I'm not
a
sheep
nor an evangelist ... just one annoyed customer who has finally
had
enough
of this crap.

Game on MS ... I'm not happy and I do not appreciate being
inconvenienced
without due cause.

Watch this space ...

Mike
Australia

 

[Unknown]

Yes, and you deserve it all.

IN LINE!

Who accused you? Is it in your mind?
I especially don't like being accused over and over and
How many times? Your imagination?
As an example, once I had a problem with my NIC and ended up
Does reactivating really hurt your ego that much? Calm down and go with
the flow.
I was frustrated enough with the NIC problem that the LAST
You must be extremely nervous. With that characteristic why do you have a
computer?

More insults, no comment on content. Ho hum.

Alias

Alias
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Yeah, the button you always hit when you hijack someone else's thread
to grind your axe.
Not my ax, hoss. It's Microsoft that assumes you are guilty of piracy
until you prove otherwise. If that doesn't bother you, there's
something wrong with you and you've obviously been brainwashed to
react with a "how high?" when MS says "jump".

Alias
Alias wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
Butt out, Alias.
My, what a convincing argument! LOL! Hit a button, did I?

Alias
Alias wrote:
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
In the time it took you to write your post, you could have called
a
toll-free number and reactivated.
Not the point.

Description of Microsoft Product Activation:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302806

For any legal minded folk, the onus of proof shifts from
presumption of
innocence to presumption of guilt. I have to prove innocence.
MS
need do
nothing apparently - their work is done having caught me in a
criminal
act
of BIOS altering without their permission or consent.
Have you read your WinXP EULA lately?
You mean the one that if you don't agree with it you can't get
your
money back, that one? How many people who bought a preinstalled
copy of
XP on a new computer got the chance to read it before accepting it
or is
the acceptance assumed when they purchase the system?

WPA and WGA only serve to inconvenience paying customers and do
absolutely nothing to stop piracy.

Alias
mcullet wrote:
Hi,

I do not endorse piracy. You use it - you pay for it.

MS has a legitimate right to protect their commercial interests.
It's
one
of those self evident statements that are tough to argue
against.
However,
as with all things the devil is in the detail.

MS Does not have the right to kick down my door at 3 am to see
if I
have a
COA on hand. Sounds absurd? How about this? MS decides I'm a
pirate
(might be a pirate?) and unilaterally pulls the pin on XP PRO
after 3
days
UNLESS I behave like a good little sheep and do as I'm told (see
Pavlov)?

The problem with large organisations (and government) is that
they
need to
be reminded once in a while that they are not all powerful and
they do
not
have unqualified control (power / authority / legal rights) over
what we
do.
Staying only with MS, the issue is one of enforcement of
contractual
obligations: essentially enforcement of promises.

I legally purchased an XP PRO licence and have used it strictly
in
accord
with the licence agreement. Software changes, as we are all to
familiar
with observing. These occur because of an amalgam of bug fixes,
security
patches and evolution (feature enhancement or deprecation). The
hardware
environment is more likely to change as the machine ages. I'll
leave it
to
others to determine at what point the original PC changes
sufficiently to
warrant paying for another licence but this issue is central to
MS
dilemma
and needs wide debate.

MS abuse their positon every time they unjustifiably force a
user to
reactivate their legally purchased software. In legal terms,
they
are in
breach of contract because they unilaterally terminate the
agreement by
rendering the OS unusable. If I wanted to be an idiot I could
waste my
life
getting MS to play the reactivation game 24 / 7. I have more
interesting
things to do. However, this is the absurd position MS force
upon
legitimate
customers and themselves because they (MS) distributed flawed
security
controls in their operating system - XP PRO.

The definition of flawed is to be interpretted in its natural
meaning.

I changed no hardware on my PC. Not one piece of hardware was
added or
removed excluding inter alia, as required, attchment of USB
drives /
printeres.

I altered a bios setting.

This heinous act triggered MS's software control systems which
'determined'
that I had breached my contractual agreement with MS: I've been
given a
generous 3 days to fix the problem (re-activate) or MS will
functionally
challenge my lawful ability to enjoy my XP licence INCLUDING all
other
functions and features (games / internet / documents /
commercial
applications etc). This is distrubingly, ominously reminisent
of
Orwellian
logic (courtesy of 1984): "double speak". The MS security
control was
triggered ergo I am a criminal until I prove otherwise. The
control
would
not have triggered unless I was in breach of my contract with MS
(logic
loop).

For any legal minded folk, the onus of proof shifts from
presumption of
innocence to presumption of guilt. I have to prove innocence.
MS
need do
nothing apparently - their work is done having caught me in a
criminal
act
of BIOS altering without their permission or consent.

Sorry. The only thing wrong is with MS's flawed anti-piracy
efforts.
Unless I do what MS tell me (reactivate) then I am at fault.
"Honest
people
won't object ... just the pirates." Yeah - pigs fly. I'm
seriously
annoyed
and about to be seriously inconvenienced by a party to a
software
contract
imposing additional costs (consideration) upon me after a legal
contract
was
executed. I have no remedy other than take MS to court.

On the other hand, using purely lawful means, I can bring this
absurdity
to
the attention of the media who love bashing MS and let them feed
on the
company. Bad publicity for bad practices ... seems to be an
elegant
balance
of karma.

MS - I am not a pirate but a lawful and legal customer. I've
done
nothing
wrong. You do not have any right to terminate my lawful
enjoyment of
this
software (XP PRO) and your efforts to do so are called
conversion - a
tort.
It is actionable per se which means I do not need to prove
anything
other
than that this has happened. MS's legal defences are limited
and in
context, none apply.

So, how inconvenient would it be for me to take MS to court for
trespass
property and or breach of contract? To me - not much. Like I
said, I
need
only prove MS has interfered with the lawful enjoyment of my
software
licence.

Why not just call MS and sort it out? Well, I've done nothing
wrong.
I've
paid for the licence. Phone calls aren't free nor is my time or
the
inconvenience to me. I anticipate I may make a few adjustments
to BIOS
settings / hardware configuration (swapping SATA drives in / out
etc) ...
system performance tweaking. If i activate then I will be
forced to
call
MS
(big brother) to calm them down and get their OK to live a
normal life.
Good grief ... people have become too hesitant to speak out
against
absurd
commercial practices that intrude too far into our lives. I'm
not a
sheep
nor an evangelist ... just one annoyed customer who has finally
had
enough
of this crap.

Game on MS ... I'm not happy and I do not appreciate being
inconvenienced
without due cause.

Watch this space ...

Mike
Australia