Why do I need Vista in my business?

[cqui3]

I asked a simple question. Why do we need Vista? Yet you answer with
attacking our deployment. I suggest you stick to answering the question.
As far as I can see, Vista does NOT deliver anything useful vs. XP.

You do not need Vista, abd you can live without the improvements in the
graphics interface.
I for one would not go back to XP - which ran very well on my computers.

 

[HAL07]

How can we "respect" a decision to remain with a less-secure OS if you
don't give a valid reason for doing so?

by the way,
by "SECURE" you mean the little popup that the user anyways press OK on? comon they don't have a clue.

or do you think of disabling the users administrative access. thus making Vista as secure as XP, because the risk is the same if
the users do not have admin access.

 

[HAL07]

Better security
Bitlocker for mobile PC's protects company information.
Shadow copy (restore previous version of a file)
More granular control of computer and user settings in group policy
Improved productivity (This is a matter of opinion. It's true for me.
Other people have different opinions.)
Better 64 bit support. 64 bit is the future. RAM is cheap. You need 64
bit to take advantage of this fact.

The big ones for me are better security and 64 bit support.

-Bitlocker? we use trucrypt for two laptops. but i cannot say we need that
-shadow copy is a local feature that our users dont need since they save on networks
-what kind of settings do i need that is more granular? the only thing i looked for was running loginscripts evaluated, but
microsoft have not made a gpo for that. and i've also traversed the gpo settings new to vista, and -cant say i find ANYTHING that
i need there that is not in XP SP3 gpo.
-improved productiviy? well well. don't go there. that's just plain stupid to say unless you can find a very good test that have a
large amount of documented material
-our company have windows xp x64 on a few computers. but most programs we use does not exist in a x64 version.

well well. still not convinced in any way

 

[FBonVistaX32]

-Bitlocker? we use trucrypt for two laptops. but i cannot say we need that
-shadow copy is a local feature that our users dont need since they save
on networks
-what kind of settings do i need that is more granular? the only thing i
looked for was running loginscripts evaluated, but microsoft have not
made a gpo for that. and i've also traversed the gpo settings new to
vista, and -cant say i find ANYTHING that i need there that is not in XP
SP3 gpo.
-improved productiviy? well well. don't go there. that's just plain
stupid to say unless you can find a very good test that have a large
amount of documented material
-our company have windows xp x64 on a few computers. but most programs
we use does not exist in a x64 version.

well well. still not convinced in any way

There are really only two reason for using any OS including Vista, the
very best OS available today.
1) you must use Vista:
because of compatibility issues with 3rd party software and Vista is
too new for this to have occurred. Or you have a contractual obligation
forcing you to upgrade or else you purchased a new computer that came
with Vista pre-installed.

2) You want to use Vista.

Obviously, none of the above applies to you so just keep on using what
you're currently using until such time that any or all of the above
applies to you.

 

[Steve Thackery]

well well. still not convinced in any way

You know what? I think you've already made up your mind you don't want
Vista, and you were hoping the replies would confirm your prejudice.

That's why you are dissing anything that explains ways in which Vista is
better.

Obviously nobody actually NEEDS to upgrade to Vista - especially normal
business PCs which rarely need to be at the cutting edge of technology.

The only reason to go for Vista is if you WANT to enjoy the better UI, or
the better security, etc. For the vast majority of people it's a matter of
choice, not of necessity.

Even though I really like Vista, I don't believe there are any really
compelling reasons to move from XP to Vista if your applications are running
OK, and you don't need the extra features it offers. In that case, stick
with XP.

But please don't waste everyone's time asking a question to which you don't
want to hear the answers.

SteveT

 

[Jack the Ripper]

Until the user turns of UAC and then it's open season.

That's not true as it's not open season with UAC disabled. Where is this
feature on XP?

<http://www.securitypronews.com/news/securitynews/spn-45-20060601ASLRJoinsVistasBagOfTricks.html>

 

[Kerry Brown]

You know what? I think you've already made up your mind you don't want
Vista, and you were hoping the replies would confirm your prejudice.

That's why you are dissing anything that explains ways in which Vista is
better.

Obviously nobody actually NEEDS to upgrade to Vista - especially normal
business PCs which rarely need to be at the cutting edge of technology.

The only reason to go for Vista is if you WANT to enjoy the better UI, or
the better security, etc. For the vast majority of people it's a matter
of choice, not of necessity.

Even though I really like Vista, I don't believe there are any really
compelling reasons to move from XP to Vista if your applications are
running OK, and you don't need the extra features it offers. In that
case, stick with XP.

But please don't waste everyone's time asking a question to which you
don't want to hear the answers.

Well said. Even though I've deployed Vista to many customer's sites not all
of the users at every site wanted or got Vista. No one needs Vista. If you
don't want it or like it there are alternatives. For me, in a Windows based
network, it is the best alternative most of the time.

 

[Jack the Ripper]

Where you been? Don't see much of you lately.

Well, to be honest, I was around so much because I was in between .Net
contracts and it took me sometime to get a new contract. You know,
nothing else to do but mess around on the NG(s).

I had two contracts lined up I thought a couple a months ago only to
find that they both were closed before I could start. One with Citibank
Group that just started tanking here recently but was tanking well
before that it seems. Citi cut 23,000 jobs and is due to cut another
53,000 jobs I read here recently.

The other contract was in the insurance industry with a company, and the
insurance industry started tanking. Both business sectors are being hit
hard due to today's financial situation here in the US, along with other
job markets. It's rough out there for anyone to find a job if one
happens to be without a job during this time period.

However, the US government and the DoD are paying the bills now, as I
landed a contract with a consulting firm doing work for them. As it was
put to me, one can always count on the government and DoD. But they are
working me hard with long hours, and I don't want to see another
computer when I get home, other than to check emails and pay bills with
a computer, if that.

Well, that's why you don't see me too much now.

 

[+Bob+]

by the way,
by "SECURE" you mean the little popup that the user anyways press OK on? comon they don't have a clue.

or do you think of disabling the users administrative access. thus making Vista as secure as XP, because the risk is the same if
the users do not have admin access.

HAl07: If you keep trying to bring pragmatism and logic into this
discussion, you're going to cause the Vista fan boys' brains to
explode.

 

[HAL07]

Deet wrote:
Well, to be honest, I was around so much because I was in between .Net
contracts and it took me sometime to get a new contract. You know,
nothing else to do but mess around on the NG(s).

[snip of the details]

Well, that's why you don't see me too much now.

Here's hoping the situation doesn't change.

Paul Montgomery

Nice trolling there

 

[HAL07]

HAl07: If you keep trying to bring pragmatism and logic into this
discussion, you're going to cause the Vista fan boys' brains to
explode.

Thanks Bob