Why do I need Vista in my business?

[HAL07]

Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?

My experiences with Windows Vista in a business environment:

- Loginscripts keep failing, but started somewhat working again after turning off UAC. Well you say we have to modify our group
policy/desktop environment? No we would not like to spend more money on a solution that is working perfectly today.
- Users get random errors: Explorer.exe seem to crash a lot
- A lot of automated program installs do not work.
- Users get random black screens when they log on using Remote Desktop
- Users get random keyboard errors when logging on to their work computer using a second remote desktop through terminal servers
- Sync Software for our mobile phones have a lot more problems than on XP clients
- Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar elements of Control Panel
- Outlook crashes more often
- Firewall seem to suddenly reset itself and you loose previously added exceptions

But of course, we get a nice GUI. But it seem to bother most people that they get something that they don't feel any interested
in. They just want to do their job.

Now I'm tired of this Vista, we've been running it since December 2007 on work. And I got a question from one of my employees:
Why did you install Vista? Well, I quite frankly stared at the floor.

 

[Mike Brannigan]

Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?

My experiences with Windows Vista in a business environment:

An environment that you do not specify exactly what it is

- Loginscripts keep failing, but started somewhat working again after
turning off UAC. Well you say we have to modify our group policy/desktop
environment? No we would not like to spend more money on a solution that
is working perfectly today.

Well if you are not willing to put the time and effort into understanding
the use of and control of UAC in a corporate managed environment then why
complain about it not working?
Personally given the thousands of seat of Vista I have helped deploy in
corporate environments UAC and login scripts are not an issue.

- Users get random errors: Explorer.exe seem to crash a lot
- A lot of automated program installs do not work.

Were these installs tested and developed for release on the Vista OS or did
you just take you XP installs and expect them to work ?

- Users get random black screens when they log on using Remote Desktop

Not something I have seen or experienced

- Users get random keyboard errors when logging on to their work computer
using a second remote desktop through terminal servers

Please explain what you mean by a "second remote desktop through terminal
servers"? If you mean you RDP to a desktop and then open up another RDP
session within that one to a TS then you may well encounter issues as this
is not a common solution and the execution of RDP within and RDP may not be
a fully supported configuration.

- Sync Software for our mobile phones have a lot more problems than on XP
clients

Is your Synch Software tested on and certified for use on Vista? - check
with the manufacturer for their support statement on running their product
on Vista.
(have you tried running it in compatibility mode?)

- Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar
elements of Control Panel

Did you train them on the new UI etc ?
If not then what did you expect?

- Outlook crashes more often

Again personally not seen

- Firewall seem to suddenly reset itself and you loose previously added
exceptions

Are you using Group Policy to control this ?

But of course, we get a nice GUI. But it seem to bother most people that
they get something that they don't feel any interested in. They just want
to do their job.

Now I'm tired of this Vista, we've been running it since December 2007 on
work. And I got a question from one of my employees:
Why did you install Vista? Well, I quite frankly stared at the floor.

You seem to have just deployed Vista without any due dillergence in terms,
of application compatibility testing, appropriate use of Group Policy to
control the environment and a lack of end user training.
I am not surprised your experience has been less then optimal.

 

[Alias]

Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?

You don't.

Alias

 

[HAL07]

An environment that you do not specify exactly what it is


Well if you are not willing to put the time and effort into
understanding the use of and control of UAC in a corporate managed
environment then why complain about it not working?
Personally given the thousands of seat of Vista I have helped deploy in
corporate environments UAC and login scripts are not an issue.


Were these installs tested and developed for release on the Vista OS or
did you just take you XP installs and expect them to work ?


Not something I have seen or experienced


Please explain what you mean by a "second remote desktop through
terminal servers"? If you mean you RDP to a desktop and then open up
another RDP session within that one to a TS then you may well encounter
issues as this is not a common solution and the execution of RDP within
and RDP may not be a fully supported configuration.


Is your Synch Software tested on and certified for use on Vista? - check
with the manufacturer for their support statement on running their
product on Vista.
(have you tried running it in compatibility mode?)


Did you train them on the new UI etc ?
If not then what did you expect?


Again personally not seen


Are you using Group Policy to control this ?


You seem to have just deployed Vista without any due dillergence in
terms, of application compatibility testing, appropriate use of Group
Policy to control the environment and a lack of end user training.
I am not surprised your experience has been less then optimal.

I asked a simple question. Why do we need Vista? Yet you answer with attacking our deployment. I suggest you stick to answering
the question. As far as I can see, Vista does NOT deliver anything useful vs. XP.

 

[Gordon]

I asked a simple question. Why do we need Vista? Yet you answer with
attacking our deployment. I suggest you stick to answering the question.
As far as I can see, Vista does NOT deliver anything useful vs. XP.

Um Mike posted many reasons why you might be having these problems. if all
you want to do is rant then don't read any of the responses...

 

[Gordon]

- Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar
elements of Control Panel

In most large organisations I have been in, users don't have access to
Control panel AT ALL - why would they need to?

- Outlook crashes more often

Been using Home premium with Outlook 2007 on almost permanently since Mar
08 - NO Outlook crashes AT ALL.
What add-ins are your users installing (as they have access to control
panel....) ;-)

 

[HAL07]

Um Mike posted many reasons why you might be having these problems. if
all you want to do is rant then don't read any of the responses...

But what do you feel Vista give you that XP do not? What do you need, business wise?

 

[John Barnes]

Tighter security, for one.

But what do you feel Vista give you that XP do not? What do you need,
business wise?

 

[Mel Weaver]

1. a much improved backup program
2. shadow copy ( restore to the previous version of your file)
3. snipping tool ( user can capture any part of a screen and save to a
file)
4. window sidebar
5. Improved performance and diagnostic testing/tracking
6. Windows Fax and scan
7. Windows Mail is a big improvement over Outlook Express
8. Improved Remote Desktop
9. Security like it or not

This is a just a few.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?

If you want to address Microsoft, you'll need to contact them
directly. This is a peer support newsgroup. We are all just Windows
Vista users here, helping each other if and when we can. We are not
Microsoft employees (not even those of us with "Microsoft MVP" behind
our names; that's an honorary title for having provided consistently
helpful advice) except for an occasional employee who posts here
unofficially on his own time.

 

[Alias]

Tighter security, for one.

LOL! Now, *that's* funny!

Alias

 

[Gordon]

LOL! Now, *that's* funny!

Well it's certainly more secure than XP!

 

[Alias]

Well it's certainly more secure than XP!

Until the user turns of UAC and then it's open season.

Alias

 

[HAL07]

Business wise.
You dont need local stuff in a business where stuff is saved on network drives.
snipping? LOL?
Outlook express is also not an argument, as we use Outlook.
IMPROVED REMOTE DESKTOP? what? all i can see is a bit more secure, but nothing new here. and do mind that i mentioned strange
black screens.
Security is not an argument here, as I do not want to make security a reason for moving to Vista. respect this decision even if
you disagree.

So the argument list is still empty for my point of view

 

[Lord Fauntleroy]

Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?

My experiences with Windows Vista in a business environment:

- Loginscripts keep failing, but started somewhat working again after
turning off UAC. Well you say we have to modify our group policy/desktop
environment? No we would not like to spend more money on a solution that
is working perfectly today.
- Users get random errors: Explorer.exe seem to crash a lot
- A lot of automated program installs do not work.
- Users get random black screens when they log on using Remote Desktop
- Users get random keyboard errors when logging on to their work computer
using a second remote desktop through terminal servers
- Sync Software for our mobile phones have a lot more problems than on XP
clients
- Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar
elements of Control Panel
- Outlook crashes more often
- Firewall seem to suddenly reset itself and you loose previously added
exceptions

But of course, we get a nice GUI. But it seem to bother most people that
they get something that they don't feel any interested in. They just want
to do their job.

Now I'm tired of this Vista, we've been running it since December 2007 on
work. And I got a question from one of my employees:
Why did you install Vista? Well, I quite frankly stared at the floor.

You don't need Vista in a business environment unless you have an OS
specific piece of software that requires it. I consult with many businesses
and most still use XP. I use Vista in a test environment because I develop
software and I need to verify that it works with both XP and Vista. But do
you need Vista - I don't think so.

 

[Gordon]

Security is not an argument here, as I do not want to make security a
reason for moving to Vista. respect this decision even if you disagree.

How can we "respect" a decision to remain with a less-secure OS if you don't
give a valid reason for doing so?

 

[FBonWin7x64]

Until the user turns of UAC and then it's open season.

*Bullshit*! As usual more of your lies!
Give it up troll, we all know you don't have nor have you ever used Vista.
Oh, and I love watching you get your ass kicked in here by everyone and
then you do that little "dance of the caught lying" you always do!...LOL!
Keep it up you moron troll, the entertainment value alone is worth the read.
Loser!

 

[Kerry Brown]

Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?

My experiences with Windows Vista in a business environment:

- Loginscripts keep failing, but started somewhat working again after
turning off UAC. Well you say we have to modify our group policy/desktop
environment? No we would not like to spend more money on a solution that
is working perfectly today.
- Users get random errors: Explorer.exe seem to crash a lot
- A lot of automated program installs do not work.
- Users get random black screens when they log on using Remote Desktop
- Users get random keyboard errors when logging on to their work computer
using a second remote desktop through terminal servers
- Sync Software for our mobile phones have a lot more problems than on XP
clients
- Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar
elements of Control Panel
- Outlook crashes more often
- Firewall seem to suddenly reset itself and you loose previously added
exceptions

But of course, we get a nice GUI. But it seem to bother most people that
they get something that they don't feel any interested in. They just want
to do their job.

Now I'm tired of this Vista, we've been running it since December 2007 on
work. And I got a question from one of my employees:
Why did you install Vista? Well, I quite frankly stared at the floor.

You don't need Vista but there are some good reasons why you might want it.
Strangely enough some of the things you complain about are why you might
want it.

With Vista you have more granular control over group policy. It sounds like
you haven't taken the time to figure out how group policy in Vista is
different from older versions of Windows. Deploying Vista does require you
to change some group policies or create new new group policies for the Vista
computers. I think your firewall problems are indicative of this.

If login scripts are causing a problem with UAC then you probably are doing
something in a login script that requires admin permissions. This is never a
good idea. The XP users would also benefit from better security of you
changed this so it works properly in Vista.

I have also experienced problems with older phones syncing with Vista. I
don't deploy Vista to users who have a need to use an older phone. It also
sounds like some users are using programs that are not Vista compatible. In
those cases you probably don't want to deploy Vista to those users. As they
get new phones or updated programs you can deploy Vista to them.

It really sounds like many of your problems are self induced. When deploying
any new software on a business network you have to do a lot of planning and
testing before deploying it. There are many reasons for deploying Vista but
if you don't plan properly before deploying it you will run into many
roadblocks. It was same moving from NT4 to win2k to XP.

Here are some of the many reasons a business may want to move to Vista.

Better security
Bitlocker for mobile PC's protects company information.
Shadow copy (restore previous version of a file)
More granular control of computer and user settings in group policy
Improved productivity (This is a matter of opinion. It's true for me. Other
people have different opinions.)
Better 64 bit support. 64 bit is the future. RAM is cheap. You need 64 bit
to take advantage of this fact.

The big ones for me are better security and 64 bit support.

 

[Alias]

*Bullshit*! As usual more of your lies!
Give it up troll, we all know you don't have nor have you ever used Vista.
Oh, and I love watching you get your ass kicked in here by everyone and
then you do that little "dance of the caught lying" you always do!...LOL!
Keep it up you moron troll, the entertainment value alone is worth the
read.
Loser!

Have you stopped ****ing your son yet?

Alias

 

[Lord Fauntleroy]

you haven't seen how horrible OULOOK works with exchange.. lol

gee MS is full of crap but vista was the GRANDDADDY of shitness!

You pretty frustrated because you don't understand the workings of Vista.
Better get a book - "Vista for Retards" - Check with Borders or Barnes &
Noble. Maybe Amazon.com and you can get it shipped to you.

Stick with DOS 6.22 for now.