Why cant PPC/HPC devices network to a Macintosh?

[Bible John]

If anyone of you are using a pre Mac OSX Mac, and you have Thursby's Dave
installed you may notice that your PPC/HPC cannot access your network
shares. Why this limitation is beyond me, and why Dave sees Windows CE
differently than Windows 9x is also beyond me. Does anyone know, and does
anyone know if this limitation exists in the Mac OSX version of Dave?

Since upgrading to OSX Tiger (May 2005) this limitation seems to be no more.
But I have no idea if the problem will re-apear if I install Dave for OSX.
Mac OS 9 only has Appletlak built in, and cant network with PC's (only Macs)
so Dave is esential.

I ask because I will be returning back to school, and may one agin need Dave
(as OSX built in networking is not the best).

Mike Rosenberg this may be a question for you to answer. But then again it
may not, since you are not a networking expert.


John

 

[Malke]

If anyone of you are using a pre Mac OSX Mac, and you have Thursby's Dave
installed you may notice that your PPC/HPC cannot access your network
shares. Why this limitation is beyond me, and why Dave sees Windows CE
differently than Windows 9x is also beyond me. Does anyone know, and does
anyone know if this limitation exists in the Mac OSX version of Dave?

Since upgrading to OSX Tiger (May 2005) this limitation seems to be no more.
But I have no idea if the problem will re-apear if I install Dave for OSX.
Mac OS 9 only has Appletlak built in, and cant network with PC's (only Macs)
so Dave is esential.

I ask because I will be returning back to school, and may one agin need Dave
(as OSX built in networking is not the best).

Mike Rosenberg this may be a question for you to answer. But then again it
may not, since you are not a networking expert.

OS X networking is just fine. It works seamlessly here with a network
running Linux, Vista, XP Pro, XP Home, and Windows 98. If you are having
difficulties with it, you're probably doing something wrong. You don't
need any third-party programs to do file/printer sharing with OS X - it
uses Samba to network with Windows machines.

See this link for further Mac/Windows networking questions:
http://www.macwindows.com/


Malke

 

[Bible John]

You did not read my question.

I asked about Windows CE connecting to a OSX machine running Dave, or a
Windows CE machine connecting to a OS 7-9 Mac also running Dave. I had
issues getting CE to connect to a Mac running Dave, when I was running OS
9.1.


John

 

[Malke]

You did not read my question.

I asked about Windows CE connecting to a OSX machine running Dave, or a
Windows CE machine connecting to a OS 7-9 Mac also running Dave. I had
issues getting CE to connect to a Mac running Dave, when I was running OS
9.1.

You're quite right - I missed your reference to WinCE buried in the rest
of your post. Sorry about that.

Malke

 

[Mike Rosenberg]

If anyone of you are using a pre Mac OSX Mac, and you have Thursby's Dave
installed you may notice that your PPC/HPC cannot access your network
shares. Why this limitation is beyond me, and why Dave sees Windows CE
differently than Windows 9x is also beyond me. Does anyone know, and does
anyone know if this limitation exists in the Mac OSX version of Dave?

Since upgrading to OSX Tiger (May 2005) this limitation seems to be no
more. But I have no idea if the problem will re-apear if I install Dave
for OSX. Mac OS 9 only has Appletlak built in, and cant network with PC's
(only Macs) so Dave is esential.

I ask because I will be returning back to school, and may one agin need
Dave (as OSX built in networking is not the best).

I have to say I'm thoroughly confused as to what you're trying to
accomplish. It's true that Mac OS 9, which has been out of active
development since early 2001, had no support at all for Windows file
sharing, in either direction, so Macs running it needed Dave.

Now, the subject line of this thread, "Why cant PPC/HPC devices network
to a Macintosh?", appears to apply only to OS 9. Am I correct so far?
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that, even with Thursby's
Dave installed, you still cannot access a Mac running OS 9 from a
Windows CE device, although there's no problem with PCs running Windows
95 and later. Why Dave back then didn't support WinCE is something
Thursby might have addressed back then, but the point became moot when
Apple released OS X.

Mac OS X has had full Windows networking support since version 10.1,
although I have to say it remained somewhat problematic until 10.2.4. I
haven't seen clients having any problems accessing Windows shares from
their Macs and vice versa with Macs running 10.2.4 through the current
10.4.8 EXCEPT when some sharing setting is incorrect.

Anyway, again, if I understand you correctly, you're currently having no
problem at all networking your WinCE device with your Mac and Tiger
10.4.8's SAMBA support is fine. Despite this, you _may_ install Dave
when you go back to school because, you say, "OSX built in networking is
not the best." You didn't go into any detail at all about _why_ you
feel this and why you think you need Dave. Maybe that's what you need
to address. However, the problem you had back with OS 9 and Dave is
that Dave simply didn't implement Windows file sharing fully enough to
support WinCE, but now you already have that support, so I don't see why
installing Dave would take it away. I'm sure Thursby can give you the
full scoop on this, though.

 

[Mike Rosenberg]

I'm sure Thursby can give you the full scoop on this, though.

I just noticed that they have a free demo available for download, so you
can see if it works for you before paying for it.

 

[Bible John]

I have to say I'm thoroughly confused as to what you're trying to
accomplish. It's true that Mac OS 9, which has been out of active
development since early 2001, had no support at all for Windows file
sharing, in either direction, so Macs running it needed Dave.

Mike there are many people still using OS 9 and other outdated Oses.
When I lived in Shasta County I applied for a job as a dispatcher, and
they were using Windows 3.11! This was in late 2005.

Also I had a drug test done and they were using Windows 95! Then I also
was required to have my finger prints done, and the police station was
using Windows 3.11! These were for jobs I applied at.

Mike just because something is outdated, does not mean that people are
not using it. I bet you $5 dollars Mike, that there are businesses out
there still on Mac OS 7! When I visited Sea World in 2001, one of their
photo stations was still on OS 7. Dont know about in 2007, but in mid
2001 they were using a outdated OS, and by that time OSX had come out.

Now, the subject line of this thread, "Why cant PPC/HPC devices network
to a Macintosh?", appears to apply only to OS 9. Am I correct so far?
No

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that, even with Thursby's
Dave installed, you still cannot access a Mac running OS 9 from a
Windows CE device, although there's no problem with PCs running Windows
95 and later.

Yes

Why Dave back then didn't support WinCE is something

Thursby might have addressed back then, but the point became moot when
Apple released OS X.

Mac OS X has had full Windows networking support since version 10.1,
although I have to say it remained somewhat problematic until 10.2.4. I
haven't seen clients having any problems accessing Windows shares from
their Macs and vice versa with Macs running 10.2.4 through the current
10.4.8 EXCEPT when some sharing setting is incorrect.

Anyway, again, if I understand you correctly, you're currently having no
problem at all networking your WinCE device with your Mac and Tiger
10.4.8's SAMBA support is fine.

Yes

Despite this, you _may_ install Dave

when you go back to school because, you say, "OSX built in networking is
not the best." You didn't go into any detail at all about _why_ you
feel this and why you think you need Dave.

Use Dave and see for yourself. Its got loads of features. I was
impressed with it, when I was using OS 9.


Maybe that's what you need

to address. However, the problem you had back with OS 9 and Dave is
that Dave simply didn't implement Windows file sharing fully enough to
support WinCE, but now you already have that support, so I don't see why
installing Dave would take it away. I'm sure Thursby can give you the
full scoop on this, though.

I dont know. I hope that Dave does not take it away. But will it?


John
--
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death,
but the gift of God is eternal life
in Christ Jesus our Lord.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://www.cerm.info

 

[Mike Rosenberg]

Mike there are many people still using OS 9 and other outdated Oses.

Of course there are, but I'm responding to your post, not theirs.

Mike just because something is outdated, does not mean that people are
not using it.

I know that, of course, but you're using a Mac running OS X Tiger, so
you're not one of those people.

I bet you $5 dollars Mike, that there are businesses out
there still on Mac OS 7!

Well, I have one business client that's currently running Mac OS 7.5.5
on a PowerMac 7100 that they keep around specifically to use with one
old plotter that cannot work with a more recent Mac OS version _AND_
requires a NuBus card, so a more recent Mac, with PCI slots, won't work.

No

I meant to say OS 9 and older, and from everything else you've said,
that's correct.

Use Dave and see for yourself. Its got loads of features.

This is about _your_ needs and desires, not mine. I have no Windows
network to access here. I can read the chart at Thursby's web site
comparing Dave 6.1 to Mac OS X's SAMBA support and see what it offers
that Apple alone doesn't, but that doesn't tell me which, if any, of
those features may be important to _you_. That's why I asked why _you_
feel that "OSX built in networking is not the best" and why _you_ may
need Dave.

I was impressed with it, when I was using OS 9.

Right, but with that Mac OS version you absolutely needed Dave for
Windows filesharing. Now you don't.

I dont know. I hope that Dave does not take it away. But will it?

That's why I said Thursby can give you the full scoop on this and why I
pointed out that you can download a demo version of Dave 6.1 to see if
it works the way you want it to before paying for it.

 

[Bible John]

Right, but with that Mac OS version you absolutely needed Dave for
Windows filesharing. Now you don't.

You make a good point that can save me some money. I have not had a
Windows network to test, so I cant say for sure if OSX will meet my
needs. At Simpson there were hundreds of PC's and Macs on the network,
so I needed Dave. My first and second year there was a small AppleTalk
network, but I can imagine when I return to school in 2007, this will
not be the case. But then again the school I will be attending will have
some 6,000 students, while Simpson had a little under 1,000 on campus.

But even so, I dont think Tiger supports AppleTalk and cant network with
Mac OS 7-9 macs. I believe with third party software this is possible
however.

But besides the point Windows networking is much faster. I remember once
copying someones software over to my Mac (some 500 megs) and with
AppleTalk it took about a half hour or less. It would have been faster
if the file was 500 megs, rather than the folder.

However with Dave this took less than 5 minutes to copy.

However copying a 500 megabyte folder over DSL/Cable would take years.
So AppleTalk was faster than that.

I also remember how stupid some people were. I remember at least twice
some stupid students left their entire computer wide open. Second year
someone left their mac wide open via AppleTalk and third year some gal
left her entire PC wide open.

They left all their social security numbers, tax files, financial
records, parents social security and tax numbers, business id's and all
kinds of other information wide open.

I did not take anything but someone else might have. I had no idea who
these idiots were, but they were stupid. But no one hacked, they left
their computers wide open.

That's why I said Thursby can give you the full scoop on this and why I
pointed out that you can download a demo version of Dave 6.1 to see if
it works the way you want it to before paying for it.

I cant do that at this time, and will need to wait until I get in the
dorms to test.


John
--
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death,
but the gift of God is eternal life
in Christ Jesus our Lord.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://www.cerm.info