Why cannot explorer move all files from an archive?

[theclyde]

So I recently had some happiness in my life... was sent down to San
Francisco for to take a course for a couple weeks. In the process I
took many many pictures. It was a pleasure to offload them from my
camera to the laptop (the laptop runs XP so it only took a few minutes
instead of a few hours on my Vista box).

Anyways - when I get back home I want to move the files to my Vista
box. I compress the files into .zip archives (one archive per day of
pictures), more to only have to move one file instead of 150 files per
day. Takes about 2-3 minutes to create the archives and not very long
to move them from the laptop to a memory stick.

Moving them from the memory stick to Vista - hours. Open the archive,
select the folder with photos and drag it to the desktop takes 3-4
hours. I notice when it is done there is still a file size on
the .zip file. I opens it up and sure enough there is a file left in
the archive. It had been copied to the extract folder but not removed
from the archive. I thought this was odd but could be explained by me
doing something to view that file while it was extracting, or perhaps
vista cannot remove all the files from an archive.

However, this happened to all by two archives. One had the files all
removed, and the other had 2 files left in it.

Is there a way to get Vista to either move all the files you selected
to move, or to come up with a message saying it was unable to move all
the files? Really, if it is a move option and files are left over -
that should be a sign of an error - not just a quirk.

Is there a solution?

 

[On the Bridge]

this behaviour is not normal.. vista should notify you if there was a
problem

I dont really understand all that compression stuff you are talking about
and several hours seems just too much to me..

something is wrong there

 

[Dave]

this behaviour is not normal.. vista should notify you if there was a
problem

I dont really understand all that compression stuff you are talking about
and several hours seems just too much to me..

something is wrong there

Do not compress your photo's and see how fast they transfer.
There is really no advantage to compressing your photos, JPG's (assuming
that is the file format you are using) are already compressed.

 

[theclyde]

this behaviour is not normal.. vista should notify you if there was a
And yet it never does.

Do not compress your photo's and see how fast they transfer.
There is really no advantage to compressing your photos, JPG's (assuming
that is the file format you are using) are already compressed.

I am not really compressing them as I am just adding to the archive.
The transfer from the thumb drive to the computer is *much* faster
when the images are archived as one file. Vista only has to handle
moving one file, and of a type that does not cause it to kack. It
would take at least 4-5 hours to move the files from the thumb drive
to Vista if they were not collected to an archive.

Vista really, really hates for me to use my camera.

 

[MaryL]

this behaviour is not normal.. vista should notify you if there was a
problem

I dont really understand all that compression stuff you are talking about
and several hours seems just too much to me..

something is wrong there

Have you tried using a card reader? I don't understand what is causing the
problem, but I can tell you that I transfer and copy *large* numbers of
*.jpg files (without putting into zip), and they transfer very quickly.
This is true when I use a card reader for the original CF and equally true
when I copy files from a thumb drive or when I copy or backup digital images
from Vista to an external hard disk. So, the problem may not be Vista.
Incidentally, this may be overly simplistic -- but have you checked to be
sure that your thumb drive is Vista compatible?

MaryL

 

[On the Bridge]

you are saying something that is strange.. very strange...

when you have the archive on the camera, then when you copy it, it should
just copy the zip file...

it should not open the zip and leave parts of its files behind...

can you make a screencapture with the windows snipping tool
and upload it to www.imageshack.us

and post back the link so I can see what you are trying there?



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[theclyde]

Have you tried using a card reader?  I don't understand what is causing the
problem, but I can tell you that I transfer and copy *large* numbers of
*.jpg files (without putting into zip), and they transfer very quickly.
This is true when I use a card reader for the original CF and equally true
when I copy files from a thumb drive or when I copy or backup digital images
from Vista to an external hard disk.  So, the problem may not be Vista.
Incidentally, this may be overly simplistic -- but have you checked to be
sure that your thumb drive is Vista compatible?

Vista compatable? Who do you trust? I don't trust Microsoft to tell
me what is Vista compatable, and I certainly do not trust the Vendors.
In any case, my thumb drive is marked as such

The drive works well if I am transferring small files. Vista's
features seem to stall me out when transferring larger files or photo
files. Regardless of the source: CD, Thumb drive, Card through camera,
card through reader and to a degree even from the hard drive.

The Vista file system is to blame. 100%. My transfer speeds were
amazing before Vista was installed (I would come home from shooting,
plug the camera in, click click drag and 10-20 minutes later I would
have gigs of pictures on my drive)

My transfers speeds are amazing if I shell to a third party tool.

What I would like is to get back to productive work instead of having
to change my workflows, buy workaround software and generally spend a
lot of time cursing at Microsoft

BTW - I am glad that things work out well for you and your file use.

 

[theclyde]

you are saying something that is strange.. very strange...

when you have the archive on the camera, then when you copy it, it should
just copy the zip file...

it should not open the zip and leave parts of its files behind...

can you make a screencapture with the windows snipping tool
and upload it towww.imageshack.us

and post back the link so I can see what you are trying there?

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You just format the drive , Clive
Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Boot from a *nix, Jix
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Install XP, Lee
And get yourself free









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I am not sure how a screen shot would help

Camera takes pictures
Pictures are transferred to laptop running XP
Pictures on laptop are collected into a .zip archive
.zip archive is copied from XP system to a thumb drive
thumb drive is inserted into my home system (Vista)
.zip archive copied to local folder and opened
folder in archive that contains the pictures is dragged to another
local folder
3-5 hours later it is done, but the archive still has 1 picture in it.

I guess I could make you a screen cap of the archive with one image in
it, but uh, I dont see the point at all.

 

[On the Bridge]

It would make a point because I suspect you are doing sometheing wrong, you
dont do it that way...

you EXTRACT the contents of the folder localy, then you do whatever you like
with the extracted files. sure "theoretically" it should work like you are
doing it.. but I have indeed seen many problems in that way. Im trying to
visualize what you are doing.. and without a screenshot I have no way to
advise you better.

I suggest you get a more serious unzip program like one of these 2, you
should move the whole sip file from the flash drive to the desktop of the
other machine and then unzip the total contects of the zip file, these
programs unzip rar files too.. so they are good to have

http://www.7-zip.org/ or

http://www.zipgenius.it/eng/index.php



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Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Boot from a *nix, Jix
You don't need to discuss much
Install XP, Lee
And get yourself free

you are saying something that is strange.. very strange...

when you have the archive on the camera, then when you copy it, it should
just copy the zip file...

it should not open the zip and leave parts of its files behind...

can you make a screencapture with the windows snipping tool
and upload it towww.imageshack.us

and post back the link so I can see what you are trying there?

--
50 Ways to leave your Vista....

CHORUS:

You just format the drive , Clive
Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Boot from a *nix, Jix
You don't need to discuss much
Install XP, Lee
And get yourself free









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I am not sure how a screen shot would help

Camera takes pictures
Pictures are transferred to laptop running XP
Pictures on laptop are collected into a .zip archive
..zip archive is copied from XP system to a thumb drive
thumb drive is inserted into my home system (Vista)
..zip archive copied to local folder and opened
folder in archive that contains the pictures is dragged to another
local folder
3-5 hours later it is done, but the archive still has 1 picture in it.

I guess I could make you a screen cap of the archive with one image in
it, but uh, I dont see the point at all.

 

[theclyde]

you EXTRACT the contents of the folder localy, then you do whatever you like

with the extracted files. sure "theoretically" it should work like you are
doing it.. but I have indeed seen many problems in that way. Im trying to
visualize what you are doing.. and without a screenshot I have no way to
advise you better.

I double click on the thumb drive to open it. The drive cotnains 6 zip
files. Each zip file contains 1 folder with 50-200 .jpg images in them
(~4-7mb each).

I drag the .zip file to a local folder (my picture processing folder)
then double click on the .zip file to open it up. I am seeing either
the folder that contains the images (in which case I select the
folder) or have double clicked again and see the images, in which case
I select all the images. Then I drag one or the other to my picture
processing folder.

I suggest you get a more serious unzip program like one of these 2, you
should move the whole sip file from the flash drive to the desktop of the
other machine and then unzip the total contects of the zip file, these
programs unzip rar files too.. so they are good to have

The .zip had been moved from the thumb drive to the local drive.

 

[mike]

I double click on the thumb drive to open it. The drive cotnains 6 zip
files. Each zipfilecontains 1 folder with 50-200 .jpg images in them
(~4-7mb each).


I drag the .zipfileto a local folder (my picture processing folder)
then double click on the .zipfileto open it up.  I am seeing either
the folder that contains the images (in which case I select the
folder) or have double clicked again and see the images, in which case
I select all the images.  Then I drag one or the other to my picture
processing folder.


The .zip had been moved from the thumb drive to the local drive.

Try this....

After the zip file is copied to the local drive, open it and select
File -> Extract All....choose the location to extract to and see if it
does this quickly (compared to dragging and dropping). I think what
is happening is something similar to a Cut/Paste operation which takes
alot longer to do because their is quite a bit more overhead for the
system. After the extraction, make sure your files have all extracted
and them delete the zip.

I think a 3rd party utility would do a better job than the OS at
handling the compression / decompression but I have not tested this on
Windows Vista at all so I couldn't say for sure.

Mike

 

[theclyde]

Try this....

After the zip file is copied to the local drive, open it and select
File -> Extract All....choose the location to extract to and see if it
does this quickly (compared to dragging and dropping).  I think what
is happening is something similar to a Cut/Paste operation which takes
alot longer to do because their is quite a bit more overhead for the
system.  After the extraction, make sure your files have all extracted
and them delete the zip.

I think a 3rd party utility would do a better job than the OS at
handling the compression / decompression but I have not tested this on
Windows Vista at all so I couldn't say for sure.

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I have used WinZIP and the built in support in XP and Vista. I have
never had any issues (speed or otherwise) with WinZIP on XP or the
built in zip support on XP. I have noticed that depending on how you
perform your unzip (as you noted) it may copy the contents to a temp
folder first.

What I will do next time is open my computer up, remove the hard
drive, throw it into an XP box and move my files. A lot of effort, but
it will save me very many hours of work and confusion.