Which Canon is good for aftermarket ink and chipless?

[Jan Alter]

Since abandoning Epsons for my school, due to bad experiences learned
from purchasing their C84 machines and having them permanently clog on us
when not being used over the summer (Yes, I've read Art's pamphlet, and used
his information successfully on many printers, but for this model, basically
because of the resinous inks Epson adopted) I'm leaning to get us Canon
printers for color work and general text printing. Can anyone recommend a
general purpose color inkjet model from Canon that we can use aftermarket
cartridges, without chips, that would fill this need? Some model between
$100 - $200 would be in the price range.

Thanks,

 

[Martin]

Since abandoning Epsons for my school, due to bad experiences learned
from purchasing their C84 machines and having them permanently clog on us
when not being used over the summer (Yes, I've read Art's pamphlet, and used
his information successfully on many printers, but for this model, basically
because of the resinous inks Epson adopted) I'm leaning to get us Canon
printers for color work and general text printing. Can anyone recommend a
general purpose color inkjet model from Canon that we can use aftermarket
cartridges, without chips, that would fill this need? Some model between
$100 - $200 would be in the price range.

Thanks,

The Pixma iP4000's are reputed to be very good and given that they are
the base printer unit for my MP750 (multifunctional) I can highly
recommend them.

You'll need to hurry to buy them though as they're being phased out to
be replaced by the iP4200 which has chips and uses pigment inks in
much the same way as the C84's, etc...

Just as a suggestion re: clogging over the summer.. You'd be advised
to hook up all your printers to a single machine to be left on over
the summer and other vacation breaks and use it to schedule periodic
printing of a purge pattern to keep the printers exercised (ie: from
clogging) while unused.

You can get the utility that will provide the necessary functionality
from MIS Associates here:
http://www.inksupply.com/html/zip/refresh.zip

or if you prefer not to download direct... go to:
http://inksupply.info/index.php?_a=knowledgebase
... and search using "autoprint"


Just as an additional thought.. if you have problem with your
photocopier(s) breaking down or could benefit from a backup of sorts,
the MP750 is a deity-send in this respect and because it's the same
printer unit as the iP4000 you don't need different cartridges in
stock.


Hope that helps

 

[ALBERT C. GOOD JR.]

You might consider checking with the printerfillingstation;
http://www.printerfillingstation.com

Get their email address and toll-free phone number. They sell a number of
very useful aftermarket supplies, including a chip resetter.

While I haven't tried this myself, as a ex-electronics technician, it
seems, that it may be possible to bypass the chips or their function. My
printer is a old Epson clunker which I keep in operation with the help of
Art of this NG, and Gordon at theprinterfillingstation. The printer has
been kept in operation, mainly because it uses the old style cartridges
that are not chipped.

Another technique that has proved very useful, is to fill the color
cartridges with distilled water, since I print mostly black text. Should
you use this technique, it is suggested, that if possible, you thoroughly
purge empty cartridges, and after installing the cartridges,
purge the print head of ink.

Albert
greenst/@corpmail.pa.net

 

[Martin]

You might consider checking with the printerfillingstation;

(Spam snipped)

In case anyone else misses this... Albert is a good old fashioned
spammer... 2 posts on seperate topics that don't actually have a hell of
a lot to do with the original topic, if at all.

 

[Panos Stokas]

Thanks for the notice about the spammer.

BTW, are you sure the new Canon line of printers use pigmented inks? I
think they are still dye-based but of a different formulation.

Also, I don't think the chips prevent one from using alternatives. They
just mark the printer so that certain parts (probably the printhead and
the cleaning pads) may be exempt from warranty.

 

[Martin]

Thanks for the notice about the spammer.

NP... I wouldn't have posted except for noticing that he'd posted twice,
same copy... :-/

BTW, are you sure the new Canon line of printers use pigmented inks? I
think they are still dye-based but of a different formulation.

Actually I'm not as it goes... I was under the impression that different
inks were definitely involved and I had heard that they "might" be
better in terms of water fastness but if I'm wrong I'm wrong...

Also, I don't think the chips prevent one from using alternatives. They
just mark the printer so that certain parts (probably the printhead and
the cleaning pads) may be exempt from warranty.

Ah... gotcha... I was under the impression it was a bit more serious
than that but again I couldn't swear to anything as I haven't played
with a 4200 at this point.


Still, n'all I would have thought the older iP4000 would more than do
the job Jan is looking at here and based on my experience with the MP750
I'd have to say I like the input.. The school could even save a little
on the printers ability to print in booklet form and double-sided, by
reducing the amount of paper being used... but then, knowing what
schools are like for paper consumption, it probably just means they
won't run out so quickly

Thanks for pointing out my error on the 4200 panos..

 

[measekite]

IT IS VERY CLEAR ON THE CANON WEBSITE WHAT INKS ARE USED IN THE
PRINTER. THE HELP SYSTEM AND THE MANUALS ARE ALSO VERY GOOD.

 

[measekite]

CANON OEM INK IS RECOMMENDED IN ALL CANON PRINTERS. THE RISK OF
CLOGGING IS LESS AND THE RESULTS WILL BE BETTER. YOU CAN SAVE SOME ON
PAPER BY USING COSTCO PAPER THAT IS ALMOST AS GOOD AS CANON PHOTO PAPER PRO.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY FADING FOR PRINTS LYING AROUND ON A DESK FOR A YEAR.

 

[nb]

CANON OEM INK IS RECOMMENDED IN ALL CANON PRINTERS. THE RISK OF CLOGGING
IS LESS AND THE RESULTS WILL BE BETTER. YOU CAN SAVE SOME ON PAPER BY
USING COSTCO PAPER THAT IS ALMOST AS GOOD AS CANON PHOTO PAPER PRO.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY FADING FOR PRINTS LYING AROUND ON A DESK FOR A YEAR.

Bad suggestion on the paper, don't you think using non OEM paper would void
the warranty. It'll probably clog up the rollers.

 

[Panos Stokas]

OK, that's a helpful posting measekite, thanks

 

[Paul Heslop]

OK, that's a helpful posting measekite, thanks

That's how he responds to ALL mentions of not using OEM inks etc.

 

[Gary Tait]

Thanks for the notice about the spammer.

BTW, are you sure the new Canon line of printers use pigmented inks? I
think they are still dye-based but of a different formulation.

AFAIK, all (recent anyways) Canons use dye for colors/photo, pigment for
text.

Also, I don't think the chips prevent one from using alternatives. They
just mark the printer so that certain parts (probably the printhead and
the cleaning pads) may be exempt from warranty.

They don't prevent refilling, you just lose ink monitoring if you don't
(cannot) reset the chips.

 

[Gary Tait]

The Pixma iP4000's are reputed to be very good and given that they are
the base printer unit for my MP750 (multifunctional) I can highly
recommend them.

The IP3000s might be a consideration. They are more or less a 4000 that
doesn't have a BCI6-Bk.

You'll need to hurry to buy them though as they're being phased out to
be replaced by the iP4200 which has chips and uses pigment inks in
much the same way as the C84's, etc...

I'm not so sure they are pigment, but it is a new formulation.

Just as a suggestion re: clogging over the summer.

I'd remove the heads and de-ink them, and seal the carts.
Or at least let them go "home" to trusted individuals over the holiday
season.

 

[Jan Alter]

Thanks everyone. I'll start the search for the IP 4000, and take a look at
the IP3000 as well.

I only wish some government regulation would step in to require printer
companies to design their printers to allow easy cartridge refilling instead
of the waste made by thousands of empty ink holders filling the landfills
and scuandered energy to produce them all for the sake of making money. I
find it completely ubsurd that the technology is clearly there to make easy
refilling but it doesn't happen because of the marketing process.
I must be dreaming to think the government could enact something
benevolent like that. Hmm, maybe it's tiome to write a senator.

 

[measekite]

IT IS BETTER TO BUY THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY. THE IP52OO IS PROBABLY WORTH
INVESTIGATING NOW.

Thanks everyone. I'll start the search for the IP 4000, and take a look at
the IP3000 as well.

I only wish some government regulation

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A GOVERNMENT REGULATION REQUIRING AFTERMARKET INK
VENDORS TO PROPERLY DISCLOSE AND LABEL THEIR PRODUCTS SO THEY CAN BE
TRACKED.

PRINTER MFG HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTECT THEIR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.

would step in to require printer
companies to design their printers to allow easy cartridge refilling instead
of the waste made by thousands of empty ink holders filling the landfills
and scuandered energy to produce them all for the sake of making money. I
find it completely ubsurd that the technology is clearly there to make easy
refilling but it doesn't happen because of the marketing process.

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS BASED ON FREE BUSINESS PRACTICES. IF
YOU DO NOT LIKE IT THERE ARE PLENTY OF PALACES IN THE WORLD THAT WILL
DICTATE THE THINGS YOU PROFESS.

 

[Martin]

Thanks everyone. I'll start the search for the IP 4000, and take a look at
the IP3000 as well.

I only wish some government regulation would step in to require printer
companies to design their printers to allow easy cartridge refilling instead
of the waste made by thousands of empty ink holders filling the landfills
and scuandered energy to produce them all for the sake of making money. I
find it completely ubsurd that the technology is clearly there to make easy
refilling but it doesn't happen because of the marketing process.
I must be dreaming to think the government could enact something
benevolent like that. Hmm, maybe it's tiome to write a senator.

Agreed but if they did that then chances are the printers would cost
double to triple what they do now and then who knows... but mine not to
reason why.


Just as a thought while you're considering things some more... I'd
seriously give CIS (Continuous Ink Supply) kits a consideration as a
potential way to not only reduce the costs but also the environmental
waste.

There are downsides to a certain extent but if you have a technician in
school with the time and motivation to tackle it properly you could
reduce their overall workload when it comes to regular maintenance
issues (ie: cartridge changing), at least compared to cartridge refilling.

If you want some more information on the topic... we've a discussion
going on nifty-stuff.com forums and I have my own reviews, tips, etc...
forum on www.continuousink.info ... No salesman will call your school
but it might be another string to your bow.


Keywords to use include:
CIS, CIP, CFS, continuous, flow, supply, system, inkjet

Hope that helps...

Martin

 

[me]

Thanks everyone. I'll start the search for the IP 4000, and take a look at
the IP3000 as well.

I only wish some government regulation would step in to require printer
companies to design their printers to allow easy cartridge refilling instead
of the waste made by thousands of empty ink holders filling the landfills
and scuandered energy to produce them all for the sake of making money. I
find it completely ubsurd that the technology is clearly there to make easy
refilling but it doesn't happen because of the marketing process.

If you don't want to refill them yourselves, you can often sell them to
someone, or a local charity may take them in.

 

[Don Elie]

,,,,,snip....

I only wish some government regulation would step in to require

........snip....
Please ! There is more than enough government intervention in my life
without printer ink cartridge regulations.

.......snip....

Hmm, maybe it's tiome to write a senator.

There ya go... But high on the list of things would be mundane items
such as budget balancing, border security, putting *real* money into
the Social Security fund instead of IOU's, and on, and on. But you
get the idea.

Don
--

 

[measekite]

SNIP

 

[measekite]

I THINK THAT TROWING THEM IN THE TRASH IS SAVING AN ENTIRE PRINTER FROM
CLOGGING AND BEING THROWN AWAY.