Which AV has the Smallest Footprint???

B

Befunge Sudoku

"news.rcn.com" <news.rnc.com> said:
I suppose you are right but it DID seem to let in some viruses while all the
time updating itself regularly? And then not find them when it ran
background full-scans. Which occupied not a whole lot of resources.

No av can watch every point of entry. Do you have passwords on all usernames, including
the hidden Administrator name? Do you have all unnecessary ports closed? Do you have
remote login ability disabled? Remote assistance requests? etc.

Even
worse, it didnt find these things in the system restore cache which means TO
ME that whatever was there was lurking to reveal itself in all its glory at
some time in the future?

I don't use AVG, but I know it's not bad. Unless you access the restore area, the on-
access component isn't going to see anything. An on-demand scan may not have access to
it in normal Windows mode.
And I DO use regularly-updated Adaware and Spybot which is supposed to be
all things to all people

No, they're not. They spot a good % of adware and spyware. They don't spot all of it,
and they don't even look for viruses, worms, trojans, or rootkits.


but which failed to find these 'things' either. I
am beginning to wonder whether I should adopt the 'prevention of these
things from coming in' rather than 'find them once they are here and slowing
everything up' approach?

well duh

I am still trying to figure out whether David's recommendation of McAfee
means that it DOES protect you better than the other things on AV-CLS which
couldn't find them. McAfee has the largest footprint and I have never
(since it first gained its reputation and started trading on it) heard of a
sysadmin who uses them.

Well, here's one. But then our licence is for the Enterprise edition. It's a bit
better.
 
E

edgewalker

Phil Weldon said:
'edgewalker' wrote, in part:
| ...and sacrifices the low FP rate obtainable with more thorough
detection/verification
| methods.
_____

Please explain the methods of detecting a new virus for which there can be
no signatures.

We're not discussing only new virus (proactive) detection methods. Sure, for
new viruses not yet having signatures developed - heuristic detection by far
outweighs signature based detection. For the overall (old and new) virus set,
heuristics sacrifices too much accuracy (high FP rate) for the sake of processing
cost - it is a fairly good method overall.

The detection of new malware is a side effect of the heuristic method. Some new
malware will exhibit old behaviors (or other characteristics) and thus be detected.
Unfortunately, some legit programs may also match suspect behaviors/characteristics
and be FP detections.
What are the possible choices?

Those are the top contenders it seems. Most good AVs offer both methods as part
of their package.

A chess program could gather data about positions and past outcomes resulting from
previous moves and keep it in a lookup. When it is the computer's turn to make a move
it could look up the current position and given enough time and data make the "best"
move under those conditions. Heuristics would be more general like "a piece has more
influence if it is positioned closer to the center of the board", "control of the center of
the board allows you to support positioning powerful pieces in more powerful places",
and "when in doubt - push a pawn". Less time used trying to find the "best" move and
in return gets you a reasonably good move. The relation in viruses/new viruses in your
argument is like the advantage in heuristics in speed chess where you don't have the
time for exhaustive searches for the "best" moves.

- it works fairly well.
 
K

kurt wismer

news.rcn.com wrote:
[snip]
I suppose you are right but it DID seem to let in some viruses while all the
time updating itself regularly? And then not find them when it ran
background full-scans.
http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2004/07/all-anti-virus-products-fail.html
http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2006/04/all-virus-prevention-methods-fail.html

[snip]
I
am beginning to wonder whether I should adopt the 'prevention of these
things from coming in' rather than 'find them once they are here and slowing
everything up' approach?

well, duh... of course... 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of
cure'... have you seriously been going around not caring about the
consequences of your actions because you believed your security products
would clean up whatever happened?

prevent as much as you can, then do your best to detect preventative
failures and be prepared to recover from those failures...
 
S

Starman

Why is it bullshit ?

and why should it trust your links ?

i think it's a matter of religion ;-)

It's like when some newbies try to convince me to use Norton AV, because
they heard "it' the best" :-D

Ian Kenefick said:
I don't know what to trust, if you look here the result is completely
differnt:
(and maybe more like real world, based on my knowledge about many of them
for many years]

http://www.virus.gr/english/fullxml/default.asp?id=72&mnu=72

This website is a lot of bullshit. Trust www.av-comparative.org
www.virusbtn.com and www.av-test.org
 
S

Starman

Why is it bullshit ?

and why should it trust your links ?

i think it's a matter of religion ;-)

It's like when some newbies try to convince me to use Norton AV, because
they heard "it' the best" :-D

Ian Kenefick said:
I don't know what to trust, if you look here the result is completely
differnt:
(and maybe more like real world, based on my knowledge about many of them
for many years]

http://www.virus.gr/english/fullxml/default.asp?id=72&mnu=72

This website is a lot of bullshit. Trust www.av-comparative.org
www.virusbtn.com and www.av-test.org



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I

Ian Kenefick

I stopped using the Windows versions of Kaspersky a number of years ago
because the kept releasing buggy products!

KAV and KIS 6 have plenty of bugs. Really annoying ones too!
 
I

Ian Kenefick

Why is it bullshit ?

Because the experts say it is :) As I mentioned in a previous post
the test methology has been shown to be absolute rubbish.
and why should it trust your links ?

You dont have to trust my links. Why do you think that the AV vendors
market their products based on these tests that I have mentioned? You
think it's because they are not trustworthy?
i think it's a matter of religion ;-)

Has nothing to do with it :)
It's like when some newbies try to convince me to use Norton AV, because
they heard "it' the best" :-D

lol - your analogy is flawed since these websites I have mentioned are
internationally recognised Independant test houses.
 
I

Ian Kenefick

Oh? No problems here at all.

Well - my previous statement refers only to the release ie. build 299.
There is problems with AIC (thats why its not enabled by default) &
AVP.exe jumps to 100% cpu usage. These are the main two. It's worth
mentioning that these issues are all fixed in the latest beta builds.
It looks liek MP1 will be a much more stable release.
 
4

4Q

Pedro said:
I am in need of an AV program but want one that uses the least
resources as possible. I've the term 'footprint', so I guess I am
asking for that.
I want one that works fairly well but also takes up a Small Footprint;

Thank you all,
good day

I reckon my multi M$ OS AV has a pretty small footprint

AV_safe.bat

:begin
echo You are now 100% protected ;]]
echo Sit back relax, don't worry, be happy

echo off

rem v1.0 AV_safe

pause Press any key to continue working safely

:end
</AV_safe.bat>

You're welcome
4Q
 
S

Shane

4Q said:
Pedro said:
I am in need of an AV program but want one that uses the least
resources as possible. I've the term 'footprint', so I guess I am
asking for that.
I want one that works fairly well but also takes up a Small
Footprint;

Thank you all,
good day

I reckon my multi M$ OS AV has a pretty small footprint

AV_safe.bat
echo You are now 100% protected ;]]
echo Sit back relax, don't worry, be happy

echo off

rem v1.0 AV_safe

pause Press any key to continue working safely
</AV_safe.bat>

You're welcome
4Q

Ha ha!

Shane
 
G

Gary

KAV and KIS 6 have plenty of bugs. Really annoying ones too!

What bugs are talking about because I have been using since it came out and
have not had one problem with it yet.
 
I

Ian Kenefick

What bugs are talking about because I have been using since it came out and
have not had one problem with it yet.

Hi Gary,

There have been many bugs throughout the program in all of the various
modules. You can find a more complete answer to your question by
visiting the beta forum at http://forum.kaspersky.com. I myself have
mentioned some bugs in a previous follow up post.
 
C

* * Chas

4Q said:
Pedro said:
I am in need of an AV program but want one that uses the least
resources as possible. I've the term 'footprint', so I guess I am
asking for that.
I want one that works fairly well but also takes up a Small Footprint;

Thank you all,
good day

I reckon my multi M$ OS AV has a pretty small footprint

AV_safe.bat

:begin
echo You are now 100% protected ;]]
echo Sit back relax, don't worry, be happy

echo off

rem v1.0 AV_safe

pause Press any key to continue working safely

:end
</AV_safe.bat>

You're welcome
4Q

Nothing beats blind faith!

Send me $2.00, put your hand on the radio (or monitor) and I'll say a
prayer for you.

Back in the days of sharing files on floppies, several associates
refused to believe that they could get a virus and used no protection. I
was always paranoid because they were giving me floppies created on
their home PCs. Their kids also used these computers for sharing old
fashioned PC games with their friends. That was a frequent source of
virus transmissions.

As an April Fools joke, I wrote a batch file that looked just like Dr.
Solomons loading in DOS when it was executed on the floppy. There was a
message saying that their HDD was going to be formatted and to hit a key
to prevent this. Any key would start a loop with dots moving across the
screen and a siren sound with a message at the end suggesting that they
invest in some AV protection! It was a bad joke but I got their
attention!

Chas.
 

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