What other Mobo can I use?

[george41407]

Thanks for all the help and advice about the ASUS P3B-F Mobo. If I
can find a rev. 1.04 for a decent price I'll buy one. But all I seem
to find are the 1.03. I am not willing to modify the board. Thats
just getting too complicated and too much work for me.

Like I said, I have a working computer that can use this Slot 1,
Coppermine CPU Intel PIII 700/256/100/165V. (or my 500mhz cpu).
But this mobo is a piece of crap with it's built in video and lack of
slots and AGP. While I could get a PCI video card, the one and only
PCI slot on this mobo is filled with my USB 2.0 card.

If I cant find this Asus mobo, what other mobo brand can I use that
does not contain any onboard video, has lots of slots, AGP, and at
least 3 memory sockets? All I really want to do is change the mobo
and retain all my other cards, memory, etc. (and keep things simple,
and inexpensive). I do not play games, so I dont need blazing speed.
I just want another mobo that has some features and one where I can
use my AGP video card.

Can someone please recommend other used mobo brands that will work
with what I have? I will consider all brands, except Abit (because of
their bad caps issues). I do not want to have to do any modifications
to the mobo. Also, is there another Asus mobo that would work?

Thanks for all help.

George

 

[Ghostrider]

Thanks for all the help and advice about the ASUS P3B-F Mobo. If I
can find a rev. 1.04 for a decent price I'll buy one. But all I seem
to find are the 1.03. I am not willing to modify the board. Thats
just getting too complicated and too much work for me.

Like I said, I have a working computer that can use this Slot 1,
Coppermine CPU Intel PIII 700/256/100/165V. (or my 500mhz cpu).
But this mobo is a piece of crap with it's built in video and lack of
slots and AGP. While I could get a PCI video card, the one and only
PCI slot on this mobo is filled with my USB 2.0 card.

If I cant find this Asus mobo, what other mobo brand can I use that
does not contain any onboard video, has lots of slots, AGP, and at
least 3 memory sockets? All I really want to do is change the mobo
and retain all my other cards, memory, etc. (and keep things simple,
and inexpensive). I do not play games, so I dont need blazing speed.
I just want another mobo that has some features and one where I can
use my AGP video card.

Can someone please recommend other used mobo brands that will work
with what I have? I will consider all brands, except Abit (because of
their bad caps issues). I do not want to have to do any modifications
to the mobo. Also, is there another Asus mobo that would work?

Thanks for all help.

George

Visit the Intel website and look up some of their classic motherboards
that were built around the i440BX chipset. The last serials from this
line could accept the Coppermine PIII's. When searching and buying, the
important information is the serial number or parts number series for
these motherboards. Same for the SuperMicro P6SBA's. But these were such
good motherboards that most just might still be in use, especially for
low end work.

 

[george41407]

Visit the Intel website and look up some of their classic motherboards
that were built around the i440BX chipset. The last serials from this
line could accept the Coppermine PIII's. When searching and buying, the
important information is the serial number or parts number series for
these motherboards. Same for the SuperMicro P6SBA's. But these were such
good motherboards that most just might still be in use, especially for
low end work.

Thanks for the info. One slight problem.....
Where the #%&^ does one find this info on the Intel website?
I just spent the past hour on there. (www.intel.com) After clicking on
processors and selecting my language about 10 times I never found
anything except their latest processors.

I have never understood why websites from large corporations are made
so no one can find anything on them.

By the way, instead of getting the Asus P3B-F mobo, what if I were to
get the ASUS P3V4X Apollo Pro 133A PENTIUM 3 Slot 1 Mobo? Will my P3
700mhz coppermine CPU work on that board? I found one of them for
sale. The seller dont know if it has the i440BX chipset. (he dont
seem to know much about computer hardware at all). This appears to be
a similar board but a little newer.

If these mobos were so good, how come they dont make them anymore?
I have heard they were excellent, which is why I want one, and I
suppose thats why they are hard to find. I keep finding the Asus
P3B-F, but all of them are rev. 1.03. The rev 1.04 dont seem to even
exist.

I also found a ASUS P3C2000 Series Motherboard with a
Pentium 3 Processor (667 Mhz) Installed on it. I guess for the
difference of 33mhz I could live with that too. I dont understand why
they even make processors with such odd MHZ numbers.....


George

 

[Paul]

Thanks for the info. One slight problem.....
Where the #%&^ does one find this info on the Intel website?
I just spent the past hour on there. (www.intel.com) After clicking on
processors and selecting my language about 10 times I never found
anything except their latest processors.

I have never understood why websites from large corporations are made
so no one can find anything on them.

By the way, instead of getting the Asus P3B-F mobo, what if I were to
get the ASUS P3V4X Apollo Pro 133A PENTIUM 3 Slot 1 Mobo? Will my P3
700mhz coppermine CPU work on that board? I found one of them for
sale. The seller dont know if it has the i440BX chipset. (he dont
seem to know much about computer hardware at all). This appears to be
a similar board but a little newer.

If these mobos were so good, how come they dont make them anymore?
I have heard they were excellent, which is why I want one, and I
suppose thats why they are hard to find. I keep finding the Asus
P3B-F, but all of them are rev. 1.03. The rev 1.04 dont seem to even
exist.

I also found a ASUS P3C2000 Series Motherboard with a
Pentium 3 Processor (667 Mhz) Installed on it. I guess for the
difference of 33mhz I could live with that too. I dont understand why
they even make processors with such odd MHZ numbers.....


George

You can look for "Intel" "440BX" boards here - the microBTX is probably
a typo:

http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/index.html

Part Number Manufacturer Chipset Form Factor
AB440ZX Alberta Intel 440BX
JN440BX Juneau Intel 440BX NLX
MP440BX Mount Prospect Intel 440BX ATX
N440BX Nightshade Intel 440BX ATX
RC440BX Rochester ATX Intel 440BX ATX
RC440BX Rochester mATX Intel 440BX microBTX (microATX?)
SE440BX Seattle Intel 440BX ATX
SE440BX-2 Seattle 2 Intel 440BX ATX
SE440BX-3 Seattle 3 Intel 440BX ATX
SR440BX Sun River Intel 440BX microATX
T440BX (NL440BX) Nightshade Light Intel 440BX ATX
WS440BX Warm Springs Intel 440BX ATX

Using some of the terms from that table, dug up this link:

http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/archive.htm

For the P3V4X CPU support list, there is this:

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusuppo...spx?type=1&name=P3V4X&SLanguage=en-us&cache=1

P3C2000 uses RDRAM. Camino. MTH. Problems. Discontinued. Say no more.

Processor speeds are based on multipliers. To get 667MHz, you'd
need 133Mhz x 5 or 66MHz x 10. If the processor was 600MHz,
then 100Mhz x 6 sounds good. It is best to look them up, and see
what speed FSB is being used. Multiplier can be "half integer", so
you can have 4.5 as a multiplier.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ProcFam=25

When you have a real, honest to goodness, 133Mhz capable motherboard,
then buying a 133Mhz FSB processor for it makes sense. That optimizes
CPU to memory bandwidth. People with 100Mhz motherboards, only curse
the 133MHz ones, because they may not be able to make effective use
of them.

For the P3V4X, I'd start Googling. You might want to check and
see if it has any AGP problems - sometimes that is an issue with
older boards. I get the impression that a number of chipset
vendors struggled with AGP I/O design, so it is always something
to watch for, symptom wise.

Paul

 

[Ghostrider]

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Thanks for the info. One slight problem.....
Where the #%&^ does one find this info on the Intel website?
I just spent the past hour on there. (www.intel.com) After clicking on
processors and selecting my language about 10 times I never found
anything except their latest processors.

Five clicks in the Intel website to here:

http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/jn440bx/sb/cs-013425.htm

This should give you all the information you need on the JN440BX
motherboard and the Intel Pentium III CPU's that it supports. Be sure
to read and understand the note pertaining to the Board Revision number.

By the way, instead of getting the Asus P3B-F mobo, what if I were to
get the ASUS P3V4X Apollo Pro 133A PENTIUM 3 Slot 1 Mobo? Will my P3
700mhz coppermine CPU work on that board? I found one of them for
sale. The seller dont know if it has the i440BX chipset. (he dont
seem to know much about computer hardware at all). This appears to be
a similar board but a little newer.

The answer is no. The 700 MHz CPU will be over-clocked to 931 MHz and
be destroyed. This is due to the FSB being set to run at 133 MHz. But
if there is an option to re-set the FSB to 100 MHz, then it might be
OK.

If these mobos were so good, how come they dont make them anymore?
I have heard they were excellent, which is why I want one, and I
suppose thats why they are hard to find. I keep finding the Asus
P3B-F, but all of them are rev. 1.03. The rev 1.04 dont seem to even
exist.

Planned obsolesence. The Pentium-III Slot-1 CPU was introduced about
8 or 9 years ago. They were replaced by Socket-370 Pentium-III CPU's.
And then came the Pentium 4's along with Socket-478 and LGA 775, etc.
All of the Coppermine P3 motherboards are equipped with the 1.65 V
voltage regulator (whereas their predecessors were not) and this is what
makes them scarce. The Coppermine P3's are still pretty much in use in
many places, as the Slot-1's can run up to 1 GHz or so. More importantly,
these motherboards could support ISA peripherals along with PCI whereas
the P4 and newer boards went totally PCI and its variations. We went, for
example, from PIII-800 MHz CPU's to P4 3.0 HT CPU's and then to Pentium-D
950's at 3.4 MHz. And this is hopscotching from Coppermines to Northwoods
to the Preslers while skipping the Tualatins and Prescotts.

I also found a ASUS P3C2000 Series Motherboard with a
Pentium 3 Processor (667 Mhz) Installed on it. I guess for the
difference of 33mhz I could live with that too. I dont understand why
they even make processors with such odd MHZ numbers.....

It is not the 33 MHz that is the issue but the FSB of 133 MHz. This
700 MHz CPU is designed to work with a FSB of 100 MHz. See above.

 

[Ghostrider]

(e-mail address removed) wrote:

Thanks for the info. One slight problem.....
Where the #%&^ does one find this info on the Intel website?
I just spent the past hour on there. (www.intel.com) After clicking on
processors and selecting my language about 10 times I never found
anything except their latest processors.

Sorry...this is where one should have gone to at the Intel website:

http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/se440bx2/

And the list for supported CPU's...:

http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/se440bx2/sb/cs-013634.htm

 

[george41407]

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(e-mail address removed) wrote:



Five clicks in the Intel website to here:

http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/jn440bx/sb/cs-013425.htm

This should give you all the information you need on the JN440BX
motherboard and the Intel Pentium III CPU's that it supports. Be sure
to read and understand the note pertaining to the Board Revision number.



The answer is no. The 700 MHz CPU will be over-clocked to 931 MHz and
be destroyed. This is due to the FSB being set to run at 133 MHz. But
if there is an option to re-set the FSB to 100 MHz, then it might be
OK.


Planned obsolesence. The Pentium-III Slot-1 CPU was introduced about
8 or 9 years ago. They were replaced by Socket-370 Pentium-III CPU's.
And then came the Pentium 4's along with Socket-478 and LGA 775, etc.
All of the Coppermine P3 motherboards are equipped with the 1.65 V
voltage regulator (whereas their predecessors were not) and this is what
makes them scarce. The Coppermine P3's are still pretty much in use in
many places, as the Slot-1's can run up to 1 GHz or so. More importantly,
these motherboards could support ISA peripherals along with PCI whereas
the P4 and newer boards went totally PCI and its variations. We went, for
example, from PIII-800 MHz CPU's to P4 3.0 HT CPU's and then to Pentium-D
950's at 3.4 MHz. And this is hopscotching from Coppermines to Northwoods
to the Preslers while skipping the Tualatins and Prescotts.


It is not the 33 MHz that is the issue but the FSB of 133 MHz. This
700 MHz CPU is designed to work with a FSB of 100 MHz. See above.

Thanks a lot for your help. Sometimes finding these things on the web
are very difficult. Plus I am still learning all the terms, and there
seem to be too many of them..... As I said before, the old x86 and
early pentiums were so much easier. Back then it seems that any cpu
would work on all mobos.

George