Wasted 8 megs?

[Edward]

Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?

http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg

Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Don't know the answer to your first question, but for the second, have you
tried Outlook Express? It's already on your system. I know, others will dis
OE, but it's worked just fine for me over the last ten years.

 

[Nepatsfan]

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Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as
to why
this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive
not being
evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?

http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg

Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?

Windows leaves that space on a hard drive which has only one
partition in case you ever want to convert the drive from a
basic disk to a dynamic disk. The following article while
written for Windows 2000 also applies to XP.

Unpartitioned Space Remains When Creating a Partition During
Setup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293281

As for your second question, what constitutes a "good"
newsreader depends on who you ask. I've found Outlook Express
to be more than adequate for my needs. I've also used Mozilla
Firefox and found it to be just as good.

Good luck

Nepatsfan

 

[Terry R.]

On 7/20/2007 10:49 AM On a whim, Edward pounded out on the keyboard

Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?

http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg

Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?

Whatever partitioned your drive in the beginning partitioned it that
way. You could have deleted it when you installed XP, but now you will
need a 3rd party solution to delete it and expand the partition to use
all the available space.

Mozilla Thunderbird works okay for newsgroups. You can try it since
it's free. OE suffers a BIG issue with top posting replies AND using a
delimiter when doing so. Very thoughtless IMO to have a proper
newsreader that understands what to do with a delimiter, to eliminate
all of a posting when replying to someone using it. Delimiters were
designed for bottom posting, ONLY to remove signatures.

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[Gary S. Terhune]

Thanks for that explanation about the 8MB. I never could figure that one
out.

 

[Nepatsfan]

You're welcome.

Nepatsfan

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Thanks for that explanation about the 8MB. I never could
figure that
one out.

 

[Edward]

Don't know the answer to your first question, but for the second, have you
tried Outlook Express? It's already on your system. I know, others will dis
OE, but it's worked just fine for me over the last ten years.

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I don't want to use Outlook Express, as I keep my mail and news
completely seperate.

 

[Terry R.]

On 7/20/2007 11:20 AM On a whim, Nepatsfan pounded out on the keyboard

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Windows leaves that space on a hard drive which has only one
partition in case you ever want to convert the drive from a
basic disk to a dynamic disk. The following article while
written for Windows 2000 also applies to XP.

Unpartitioned Space Remains When Creating a Partition During
Setup
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/293281

As for your second question, what constitutes a "good"
newsreader depends on who you ask. I've found Outlook Express
to be more than adequate for my needs. I've also used Mozilla
Firefox and found it to be just as good.

Good luck

Nepatsfan

I've built or setup countless new installations and have never run
across that before. How is that possible?


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[Ken Blake, MVP]

Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
this happens.

Why what happens? Please describe exactly what you are seeing and
where.

Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?

http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg

Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?

Unless you use binary newsgroups, Outlook Express, which comes with
Windows, works very well for most people. I would start there. If you
don't like it, for further recommendations, tell us why.

 

[XS11E]

Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to
why this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive
not being evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?

http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00854mediumgj6.jpg

Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?

Outlook Express works and you already have it. Others are here:

http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html

I'd recommend Xnews but that's just my personal preference.

 

[Plato]

Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?

The 8 megs may just be difference in the way hard drives are sold and
then fdisked.

 

[Nepatsfan]

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On 7/20/2007 11:20 AM On a whim, Nepatsfan pounded out on the
keyboard


I've built or setup countless new installations and have
never run
across that before. How is that possible?

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I can't speak for why you've never seen that behavior, but it's
been my experience that it happens if you elect to create a
single partition which uses all available hard drive space.
This happens when installing Home or Professional, OEM or
Retail.

From this web site, take note of figures 6 through 8.

Clean Install Procedure with Illustrative Screen Captures
http://www.theeldergeek.com/xp_home_install_-_graphic.htm

If you're installing to a clean hard drive, you should see a
screen similar to this right after you accept the EULA. Note;
If any existing partitions are displayed on this screen, hit
the D key. You have to start with an unpartitioned drive.

Figure 6
http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/FF.gif

Note the disk size is 4095 MB.

If you press the C key to create a partition, you'll arrive at
a screen similar to this. Keep in mind that if you press Enter
here to begin the installation you'll go right to the screen to
select how you want to format the drive, Figure 9. You'll miss
the following screens.

Figure 7
http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/GG.gif

Notice the maximum size of the partition you can create is 4087
MB, 8 MB less than the size displayed earlier. If you were to
enter a number larger than the maximum allowed it will be
rejected. The amount will be reset to the maximum.

When you hit Enter, you're taken to this screen.

Figure 8
http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/HH.gif

Note the second entry, Unpartitioned Space equal to 8 MB.

Note: If you elect to use less than the maximum amount when you
create your partition during installation, the rest of the hard
drive will be available in Disk Management as unallocated
space. Should you create a second partition in Disk Management,
the entire unallocated space will be available. You won't have
the 8 MB set aside.

Here are a couple of MS articles with additional information.

Applies to XP as well as W2K
Setup Reserves Disk Space for Upgrading to Dynamic Disk
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/225822

How To Convert to Basic and Dynamic Disks in Windows XP
Professional
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309044

Note this comment under General Notes.

"You must have at least 1 megabyte (MB) of free space on any
master boot record (MBR) disk that you want to convert. This
space is automatically reserved when the partition or volume is
created in Microsoft Windows 2000 or Windows XP Professional."

Good luck

Nepatsfan

 

[GO]

I don't want to use Outlook Express, as I keep my mail and news
completely seperate.

What do you mean by wanting to keep the mail and news completely separate?
You don't want to access the news in the same application? Or you don't
want them stored together? As far as storage goes they are separate. OE
stores the mail in a separate file(s) and each newsgroup is in it's own file
too. As for other alternatives Thunderbird and Opera can read usenet.
Although with Opera you're stuck with installing a browser too (although
there's not necessarily anything wrong with that. It's a nice browser).

 

[Uncle Grumpy]

Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
this happens.

Not that I don't care... but you have a 200gig drive. 8 megs is a
pittance.

Move on.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Not that I care on a 200 gig drive. But I'm just curious as to why
this happens. Does it have to do with the size of the drive not being
evenly divisible by the calculated cluster size?

The OS sets aside that small amount of space in case you should ever
decide to convert your basic partition into a dynamic partition.

Also, what is a good FREE Windows newsreader?

WinXP includes Outlook Express for that purpose, but many people do
prefer other tools. Personally, I use Mozilla Thunderbird
(http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/ ). Google offers several
choices:

http://www.google.com/search?q=free...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


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[Edward]

Why what happens? Please describe exactly what you are seeing and
where.

nothing, I just saw the 8megs and wondered.

 

[Terry R.]

On 7/20/2007 6:02 PM On a whim, Nepatsfan pounded out on the keyboard

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I can't speak for why you've never seen that behavior, but it's
been my experience that it happens if you elect to create a
single partition which uses all available hard drive space.
This happens when installing Home or Professional, OEM or
Retail.

From this web site, take note of figures 6 through 8.

Clean Install Procedure with Illustrative Screen Captures
http://www.theeldergeek.com/xp_home_install_-_graphic.htm

If you're installing to a clean hard drive, you should see a
screen similar to this right after you accept the EULA. Note;
If any existing partitions are displayed on this screen, hit
the D key. You have to start with an unpartitioned drive.

Figure 6
http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/FF.gif

Note the disk size is 4095 MB.

If you press the C key to create a partition, you'll arrive at
a screen similar to this. Keep in mind that if you press Enter
here to begin the installation you'll go right to the screen to
select how you want to format the drive, Figure 9. You'll miss
the following screens.

Figure 7
http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/GG.gif

Notice the maximum size of the partition you can create is 4087
MB, 8 MB less than the size displayed earlier. If you were to
enter a number larger than the maximum allowed it will be
rejected. The amount will be reset to the maximum.

When you hit Enter, you're taken to this screen.

Figure 8
http://www.theeldergeek.com/images/XP Home Setup Graphic/HH.gif

Note the second entry, Unpartitioned Space equal to 8 MB.

Note: If you elect to use less than the maximum amount when you
create your partition during installation, the rest of the hard
drive will be available in Disk Management as unallocated
space. Should you create a second partition in Disk Management,
the entire unallocated space will be available. You won't have
the 8 MB set aside.

Here are a couple of MS articles with additional information.

Applies to XP as well as W2K
Setup Reserves Disk Space for Upgrading to Dynamic Disk
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/225822

How To Convert to Basic and Dynamic Disks in Windows XP
Professional
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309044

Note this comment under General Notes.

"You must have at least 1 megabyte (MB) of free space on any
master boot record (MBR) disk that you want to convert. This
space is automatically reserved when the partition or volume is
created in Microsoft Windows 2000 or Windows XP Professional."

Good luck

Nepatsfan

Thanks for listing the links, but it doesn't explain why I've never run
across it. Doesn't really matter, unless it's supposed to leave that
space on "all" systems, "all" the time.

Take care,

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