W98SE or ME

[El Gee]

This is probably out of place here. I have W98 on my PC, and want to
upgrade to W98SE or ME. I cannot use XP as my PC speccification is'nt
good enough etc. Have people any views, which is the most stable
W98se or the ME. Sorry if this is not a 'freeware' issue, but people
here tend to be helpful, and more knowledgeable than me about
technical issues.. Without a lot of the Open Source programmes, I
have learned about here, I could never have managed a lot of the
voluntary work I do. Thanks to All. John

Win ME -- The generally accepted opinion on this OS in the IT world
(people who support OS's fro business) is the it is unstable and buggy.
I having been doing tech support off and on for years and have a MSDN
copy that I HAD installed over Win98SE (which was an upgrade over Win98)
and it was rock solid for almost a year until a virus made my machine
unusable and I did a complete fdisk/reformat/reload of WinME and after
that it was as unstable as my Aunt Erma. I went back to Win98SE until I
upgraded to Win2K (and later WInXP). I gave the copy of WinME to
junior, who is not a geek, but can install Windows with a boot floppy
properly. He has not had one problem with the OS (going on 3 years now
I think) except for a huge spyware/malware issue that caused him to
reload WinME and start from scratch. It still runs like a top and since
he now is very concerned with spyware/malware, he is abou 1 year problem
free.

Why did I did elaborate on this? Because Like autos, it is a love or
hate issue with Win ME. When I was looking at Dodge Dakota pickup
trucks, everyone told me how bad they were. Sorry, I have had mine
since Nov 1999 and I have had very few issues with it.

If you can get a cheap / free LEGAL copy of it, try it. It may work.
My son and John Corliss think it is fine and it may be for some. For
me, I will continue to use WinXP on the main PC and Ubuntu Linux on my
underpowered server.

JMHO, YMMV.


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[Wishmaster]

Hi John!



I think, it is not an upgrade going from 98 to 98SE or ME.

Probably the best and fastest MS-OS is Windows NT4. 60MHz is enough.
Windows XP is very well too, but as you said, Hardware Requirements are
not O.K. 1000MHz, 512MB RAM and so...

Why not using NT4? A good OS for Freeware user.
Also Windows 95 is better than 98/ME, IMHO!

If you need USB, NT4 is not a good choice, as there is no official USB
driver.
Windows 95 have a C and a B Version with USB-Support.

Win95 is faster than Win98! Nt4 is the fastest, till now, but only
DirectX3. OpenGL is open with NT, depends to the GfXCard.

Newer applications don't work with Windows 95 and NT 4.0. IF you want a
NT-based OS, go with Windows 2000.

[]s

 

[ms]

I had exactly the opposite experience. 98 for me was slower and stupider.
ME boots faster and runs longer without crashing. It has a better TCP/IP
stack and better hardware support.

Use the excellent tool OPPCOMME to uninstall all the added crap and bloat
that ME brings with it and you'll have a lean, fast OS that will blow the
doors off of 98. OPPCOMME is available here:


www.beta10.com

Thanks for that, I'll save it for my ME puter.

I think CCleaner makes my W98SE more stable, as it cleans new IE files
everyday, even though I never use IE. Cleaners I used before never even
identified those files.

Mike Sa

 

[ms]

I use win me on 2 PC and last installation was many years
agoo ! can't remember. And that while doing many silly things like
tweaking registry, removing IE, installing lots of freeware, playing,
removing & reinstalling graphic cards and drivers ! removing viruses,
etc, etc.

Some times the ability of going back to a previous system state
will save your ass, which is not possoble in win 98 SE. So my
experience
shows this is not the worst OS ever made.


Lh

In W98SE, I can go back 4 earlier registry files by default, there are ways
to go back 10 versions. Good for troubleshooting. ME does not do that, has
system restore.

Mike Sa

 

[Laurent Herve]

In W98SE, I can go back 4 earlier registry files by default, there are ways
to go back 10 versions. Good for troubleshooting. ME does not do that, has
system restore.

Mike Sa

Ok you are a win 98SE fan, which is a non-legacy sytem with real
autoexec.bat and config.sys and so on. It's a system for DOS fan you can
boot in DOS then switch to windows, ...
WIN Me does not has the feature to restore the registry only, it will
restore anything...
btw i need still a freeware to save my registry only. if someone have ?

lh.

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Hi John!



I think, it is not an upgrade going from 98 to 98SE or ME.

Probably the best and fastest MS-OS is Windows NT4. 60MHz is enough.
Windows XP is very well too, but as you said, Hardware Requirements
are not O.K. 1000MHz, 512MB RAM and so...

Why not using NT4? A good OS for Freeware user.
Also Windows 95 is better than 98/ME, IMHO!

If you need USB, NT4 is not a good choice, as there is no official
USB driver.
Windows 95 have a C and a B Version with USB-Support.

Win95 is faster than Win98! Nt4 is the fastest, till now, but only
DirectX3. OpenGL is open with NT, depends to the GfXCard.

Newer applications don't work with Windows 95 and NT 4.0. IF you want
a NT-based OS, go with Windows 2000.

[]s

Well, you could tell me about applications not working on NT4, and I
could tell you about alternatives, better or not, who cares. Especially
Freeware, as directx is more with commercial applications. Otherwise,
the best Gfx Software are using OpenGL.
Maybe some freeware games using higher DirectX, o.k.

Also interesting is the CPU Support on NT4. MIPS, Alpha, Intel
(486-P6)....

I just mentioned it, bez John mentioned that his PC is a slower one and
NT4 is a refreshing OS. I don´t know a faster one from MS. But at least
64MB should be!





Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[mike ring]

Many Thanks to you all who responded. I've learned a lot I think, and
probably will try W98Se for the time being.

If you do use 98SE you might like to try PCLite.

Not entirely OT because there's a freeware version, I was so impressed I
got the whole kit.

http://www.litepc.com/download.html (98lite preview)

Maybe try Linux for the experience on ths older one, when I have moved
on. That would be interesting, and a learning curve for me.

I found it very educational; taught _me_ a lesson! ;-)

mike

 

[elaich]

I just mentioned it, bez John mentioned that his PC is a slower one and
NT4 is a refreshing OS. I donït know a faster one from MS. But at least
64MB should be!

Trouble is, M$ stopped patching NT4 a long time ago, and there are serious
security issues for those who run it.

 

[harsha godavari]

If you do use 98SE you might like to try PCLite.

Not entirely OT because there's a freeware version, I was so impressed I
got the whole kit.

http://www.litepc.com/download.html (98lite preview)

Maybe try Linux for the experience on ths older one, when I have moved
on. That would be interesting, and a learning curve for me.

I found it very educational; taught _me_ a lesson! ;-)

mike

Mike :
What is the difference between the free version x pro?

Regards
harsha Godavari

 

[mike ring]

Mike :
What is the difference between the free version x pro?

The free version clears out some windows bloat; tours and things, I
believe, I can't really remember, it may enable shellswapping.

The full version has several shells, from the fairly normal to stripped
down, IE-less and blistering, but this lacks some features like quick
launch, but I moved my Q/L stuff on to the srat menu, it's only one more
click.
You also get instant shellswapping and reconfiguration of the OS

info here ....http://www.litepc.com/

mike

 

[harsha godavari]

The free version clears out some windows bloat; tours and things, I
believe, I can't really remember, it may enable shellswapping.

The full version has several shells, from the fairly normal to stripped
down, IE-less and blistering, but this lacks some features like quick
launch, but I moved my Q/L stuff on to the srat menu, it's only one more
click.
You also get instant shellswapping and reconfiguration of the OS

info here ....http://www.litepc.com/

mike

thanks mike. I have downloaded the lite version to check it out and see if its
worth spending money or learn Linux

Regards
Harsha Godavari

 

[MsOsWin]

If you do use 98SE you might like to try PCLite.

that one looks interesting. i think the same people created an ME (or maybe created by a similar spirited person?), so
presumably you get teh better media functoins of winme.

IM(aborted)E, avoid win2k unless you have *all* older hardware (2k is actually slightly older than me) it's been patched and
packed too many times.

(my impressoin is that too many flaky patches are also part of trouble with 98 and ME., no longer 'supported' by MS, etc)

xp works well.

Not entirely OT because there's a freeware version, I was so impressed I
got the whole kit.

http://www.litepc.com/download.html (98lite preview)

Maybe try Linux for the experience on ths older one, when I have moved
on. That would be interesting, and a learning curve for me.

i plan to do the same. maybe escape the ms os's completely. but i expect find the best nux (for me) will take some time to
research, then some time to try.

I found it very educational; taught _me_ a lesson! ;-)

mike

ht

 

[MsOsWin]

The full version has several shells, from the fairly normal to stripped
down, IE-less and blistering, but this lacks some features like quick
launch, but I moved my Q/L stuff on to the srat menu, it's only one more
click.

and there's probably a freeware systray/taskbar launcher if you wanted one.

 

[MsOsWin]

btw i need still a freeware to save my registry only. if someone have ?

can you use a backup app to get the DAT files?



me's sys restore is flaky, vaguely predictable and inflexible. it stops working without letting you know. maybe it gets wrecked
by app imstalls? or by ms patches?

 

[MsOsWin]

that one looks interesting. i think the same people created an ME (or
maybe created by a similar spirited person?), so presumably you get
teh better media functoins of winme.

here it is.
http://groups.google.dk/[email protected]
posted by someone who says they did nothing!
but it would take me a long time to make up this list.

 

[jmatt]

Harsha, another way of removing bloat.

DustBuster
http://www.casperize.com/dustbuster/dust_en.htm
DustBuster is a garbage file removing utility for Microsoft Windows
operating systems. It searches for junk files and temp files that are
of no use and are just taking space on your hard drive. Based on a
"common sense" scanning technology, DustBuster now cleans over 1500
different types of useless temp files and directories in a single
click, detecting and deleting all these unneeded files automatically.
This will increase hard disk space on Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/2003.

 

[mike ring]

and there's probably a freeware systray/taskbar launcher if you wanted
one.

If you're really clever Powerpro might do, but I never masterd it, it must
be nearly as hard as linux ;-)

mike

 

[Wishmaster]

Well, you could tell me about applications not working on NT4, and I
could tell you about alternatives, better or not, who cares. Especially
Freeware, as directx is more with commercial applications. Otherwise,
the best Gfx Software are using OpenGL.
Maybe some freeware games using higher DirectX, o.k.

Right now I don't recall the names, but games and multimedia are likely to
be affected

Also interesting is the CPU Support on NT4. MIPS, Alpha, Intel
(486-P6)....

Windows NT for MIPS was a total failure! very few actually developed
software for it. And not many people have a MIPS machine at home,
the most successful MIPS-based machine were Silicon Graphics machines, which
ran UNIX (and now run Linux and BSD's).

Windows NT for Alpha was a bit more successful (I had a CD with a few
softwares for it and there seems to be a few users), but can now be seen as
a dead OS. No drivers for new hardware, no new software, nothing.

And Windows NT isn´t mantained anymore, having security flaws.

[]s

 

[Larry Sabo]

WIN Me does not has the feature to restore the registry only, it will
restore anything...
btw i need still a freeware to save my registry only. if someone have ?

That's not true. Boot with a WinME boot disk and at the DOS prompt,
type scanreg /restore. You can choose which registry backup to
restore, just like in Win98. This is especially hand when the System
Restore function has been hosed (which can often be repaired with
SRIERFix.reg (Google for it).

Larry

 

[jmatt]

More here.

This article describes how to restore a backup copy of the Windows 98
or Windows Millennium Edition (Me) registry scanreg /restore
http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...port/kb/articles/Q221/5/12.ASP&NoWebContent=1

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