VIVO for a noob (newb? I don't even know the proper spelling of it)

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josh.dawidowicz

Hey guys, I just got my first ATI card since the 90s from Sapphire.
X800 Pro with VIVO. I used to have the old Radeon All-In-Wonder 32MB
with the CATV-In and the Multimedia Center. All I got in my box was the
card, the drivers, Prince of Persia, and this overclocking software.

I was wondering if there is anything I am missing, either from Sapphire
or ATI, for the VI part of VIVO. I have Catalyst 5.7 with CCC, but the
ATI site says not to download the Multimedia Center unless it came with
my computer because MMC 9.08 is an upgrade.

Is there anything I can do?

Thanks,
Josh
 
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patrickp

Hey guys, I just got my first ATI card since the 90s from Sapphire.
X800 Pro with VIVO. I used to have the old Radeon All-In-Wonder 32MB
with the CATV-In and the Multimedia Center. All I got in my box was the
card, the drivers, Prince of Persia, and this overclocking software.

I was wondering if there is anything I am missing, either from Sapphire
or ATI, for the VI part of VIVO. I have Catalyst 5.7 with CCC, but the
ATI site says not to download the Multimedia Center unless it came with
my computer because MMC 9.08 is an upgrade.

Is there anything I can do?

Thanks,
Josh


Check the Sapphire site (http://www.sapphiretech.com/index.asp) for
info on what should come with your card, Josh. Noob (or N00B etc) and
newb are just contractions of newbie. No problem with using any of
them. ;-)

You should have no problems running the Catalyst drivers direct from
ATI's site, although I'd recommend sticking to the Control Panel
rather than Control Center versions - general opinion ATM seems to be
that Control Center is largly bloat and serves mainly to slow your
system down, although things may improve in the future. YMMV. And
don't forget, of course: always get the all-in-one driver versions -
with a VIVO card, you need the capture drivers, too.

MMC is a different kettle of fish. Yes, you can download and run it,
but with two provisos. First, you'll need an ATI Catalyst Software
disc (not expensive - you can get them from the ATI shop for North
America and appropriate dealers in other countries) to validate
downloading and installing the DVD Player

Second, it's likely that you'll find that the installer will not
install the TV/Video In app for an OEM card, and if it does, it may
not run. It seems that ATI intend this app only for 'Built by ATI'
cards. This can be got round by editing and re-flashing the BIOS of
your card so that it identifies itself as a 'Built by ATI' card, but
this is by no means certain, and you would not be advised to try it
unless you have some idea of what you are doing.

There's no harm in trying it, although if you do and decide to remove
it again, you really should uninstall the display drivers as well as
MMC, then run the cat-uninstaller.exe package ('ATI - Software
Uninstall Utility' in Add/Remove Programs), then reinstall the
Catalyst drivers; or you may find software remnants interfering with
whatever you replace it with. I would say that, if you can
successfullyinstall and run the TV/Video In app, it's then worth
getting the CD to validate the DVD Player: to my mind the MMC suite is
an excellent solution for ATI cards. Otherwise go with something
else.

There are various alternative DVD and TV packages you can use -
PowerDVD/PowerVCR or WinDVD/WinDVR being a couple of the best options.
If you're in North America and receiving NTSC TV transmissions, most
applications will work as well as they can for you; if you're
elsewhere in the world and receive PAL or SECAM transmissions, you may
find that many software providers do not seem to bother optimising
their products for the non-American market and picture quality is
poor.

WinDVR and Showshifter are two products I've found that do provide
good PAL picture quality; WinDVD is excellent; Showshifter has an
interface that, to my mind, is clunky and ugly; YMMV.

HTH Patrick

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Paul Murphy

MMC is a different kettle of fish. Yes, you can download and run it,
but with two provisos. First, you'll need an ATI Catalyst Software
disc (not expensive - you can get them from the ATI shop for North
America and appropriate dealers in other countries) to validate
downloading and installing the DVD Player

Second, it's likely that you'll find that the installer will not
install the TV/Video In app for an OEM card, and if it does, it may
not run. It seems that ATI intend this app only for 'Built by ATI'
cards. This can be got round by editing and re-flashing the BIOS of
your card so that it identifies itself as a 'Built by ATI' card, but
this is by no means certain, and you would not be advised to try it
unless you have some idea of what you are doing.

There's no harm in trying it, although if you do and decide to remove
it again, you really should uninstall the display drivers as well as
MMC, then run the cat-uninstaller.exe package ('ATI - Software
Uninstall Utility' in Add/Remove Programs), then reinstall the
Catalyst drivers; or you may find software remnants interfering with
whatever you replace it with. I would say that, if you can
successfullyinstall and run the TV/Video In app, it's then worth
getting the CD to validate the DVD Player: to my mind the MMC suite is
an excellent solution for ATI cards. Otherwise go with something
else.
<snip>
There have been posts here on how to perform a simple modification to MMC
which permits operation with VIVO cards. The OP will need to search for VIVO
and MMC or similar from several months ago. But for a ready made legitimate
solution, the third party products cant be beaten (although will likely cost
more than an MMC CD).

Paul
 
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patrickp


<snip>
There have been posts here on how to perform a simple modification to MMC
which permits operation with VIVO cards. The OP will need to search for VIVO
and MMC or similar from several months ago. But for a ready made legitimate
solution, the third party products cant be beaten (although will likely cost
more than an MMC CD).

Paul

I didn't say there was a problem with using MMC with VIVO cards, Paul
- I've used several myself, and not had problems with the 'Built by
ATI' ones. What I'm talking about is the TV/Video In app not
installing with _OEM_ cards.

To be honest, as someone living in an area (UK) where PAL is the
broadcast standard, I've only found WinDVR to compare with the ATI
TV/Video In app. The only other one that has decent PAL picture
quality is Showshifter, and I dislike other features of that one. But
it looks like you're in the UK, too - have you not noticed the poor
picture quality of the others?

Patrick

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Paul Murphy

patrickp said:
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:11:50 +0100, "Paul Murphy"


I didn't say there was a problem with using MMC with VIVO cards, Paul
- I've used several myself, and not had problems with the 'Built by
ATI' ones. What I'm talking about is the TV/Video In app not
installing with _OEM_ cards.

Thats something that can be got around through MMC modification - thats what
I was referring to. I don't think ATI actually make VIVO cards anymore these
days anyway - hence why MMC doesn't officially support VIVO cards anymore.
To be honest, as someone living in an area (UK) where PAL is the
broadcast standard, I've only found WinDVR to compare with the ATI
TV/Video In app. The only other one that has decent PAL picture
quality is Showshifter, and I dislike other features of that one. But
it looks like you're in the UK, too - have you not noticed the poor
picture quality of the others?
All of my cards are ATI built AIWs (although I have an ATI built 8500DV
which was "Distributed" here in the UK by Hercules) so I've not needed to
try the MMC modification. I'm quite happy with the picture quality on my 15"
Dell TFT monitor that MMC provides. I have used Power VCR in the past with
TV Tuners but that didn't provide Thruview.

Paul
 
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patrickp

Thats something that can be got around through MMC modification - thats what
I was referring to. I don't think ATI actually make VIVO cards anymore these
days anyway - hence why MMC doesn't officially support VIVO cards anymore.


Paul, I'm not referring to problems with VIVO cards - as far as I'm
concerned, I've never had problems with 'Built by ATI' VIVO cards. I'm
talking about the problem of trying to install and run the MMC
TV/Video in app on OEM cards. This may well work on some OEMs, but,
as a rule, it seems to me, the MMC TV/Video in app will not install or
run on OEM cards, whether VIVO or AIW.

And ATI certainly do still produce VIVO cards - several cards (not
AIWs) from the 'Built by ATI' X850, X800 and X700 ranges feature VIVO.
So there's no doubt that MMC should still support VIVO cards
All of my cards are ATI built AIWs (although I have an ATI built 8500DV
which was "Distributed" here in the UK by Hercules) so I've not needed to
try the MMC modification. I'm quite happy with the picture quality on my 15"
Dell TFT monitor that MMC provides. I have used Power VCR in the past with
TV Tuners but that didn't provide Thruview.

Paul

Well, again, my experience has mainly been with VIVO cards, thus I've
never tried to use an AIW tuner with any of the alternative apps - my
experience of the poor PAL peformance with apps other than MMC, WinDVR
and Showshifter (yes, I've tried Power VCR) has been with composite
video input. I'm using a 9700 Pro AIW ATM, but since it's a 'Built by
ATI' card, I've never bothered to try anything other than MMC with it.

I would say that MMC probably produces the best picture quality from
PAL broadcasts that I've seen - I think I'd be in agreement with you
on that?

Patrick

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