Vista Upgrade Failure on XP Pro

[Guest]

I have tried three times now to install Vista Business Upgrade on My XP Pro,
Dell 5150. It has 1 GB RAM, ATI 128 Mb Radeon video, 250 Gb WD SATA hard
drive. I removed all extraneous hardware, all USB external drives, kvm swtch,
etc. I uninstalled Mcaffee and cleaned the registry entries. I emptied the
reycle bin. I go through the upgrade install (I don't want to lose all of my
drivers and installed programs). Vista goes through almost all the steps,
reboots three times and then at the completing installation phase just locks
up at 54%. It creates a 4+ Gb error file in the Panther sub directory.

If you just leave the system alone, after about an hour and a half you get a
"This application has requested the runtime to terminate in an unusual way"
message. Clock ok and Vista restores the XP system. I can't get past this.

I have been on the phone with Microsoft three times and I even have a case
number. But their Vista installation tech support lines are so busy that each
time they try and transfer me to a techie the line gets disconnected (maybe
they are trying to tell us something).

Any ideas out there would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Michelle Steiner]

I have been on the phone with Microsoft three times and I even have a case
number. But their Vista installation tech support lines are so busy that each
time they try and transfer me to a techie the line gets disconnected (maybe
they are trying to tell us something).

Any ideas out there would be greatly appreciated.

just get a mac. even microsoft's software works better on them. windows
is a mess, osx is a dream to work with.

 

[Dale \Mad_Murdock\ White]

BJ4444 <[email protected]> wrote:

ideas out there would be greatly appreciated.

just get a mac. even microsoft's software works better on them. windows
is a mess, osx is a dream to work with.

Either you're the same person who likes to change their name to give the
impression that MAC users of the world have come to rain down their
self-righteous judgement on Windows users, or a whole slew self absorbed MAC
users are actually here to rain down their self righteous judgement on
windows users.

Either way, I don't think you'll be getting any converts, but it's nice to
know that MAC users enjoy adding to the frustration of users in need of
help. Now if everyone would just send a message to (e-mail address removed), maybe we
could clean up this group

 

[Adam Albright]

just get a mac. even microsoft's software works better on them. windows
is a mess, osx is a dream to work with.

You Mac guys are pretty dumb. OSX is just a rehash of UNIX. While UNIX
is a lot of things, few would call it a dream. More like a nightmare.

 

[Michelle Steiner]

You Mac guys are pretty dumb. OSX is just a rehash of UNIX. While UNIX
is a lot of things, few would call it a dream. More like a nightmare.

you are thinking of command line Unix, not OSX. Apple totally hid all
that from the user, while not hiding any of the power. current Windows
is based on VAX systems, which died when DEC died. Unix is what runs
most of the important computers today, almost all the supercomputers run
Unix and OSX is where the world wide web came from. Kinda cool if you
are a power user. But I agree Windows is fine for more non-technical
stuff.

 

[BigJim]

if apple would have kept the price in line with the pc,
Apple would be number 1 instead of The Microsoft PC.
I believe that Apple just over prices their machines.

 

[Guest]

Well, I don't know. Try going to www.driveragent.com and do a scan of you
WinXP hardware for updated drivers. The website is a pay site to download
the drivers from them but the scan is free and once you know which ones are
out-dated you can go to the vendor's site for more current ones. I'm
thinking maybe the installation is tripping over a component in your computer
that has old drivers.

Anyway, it's worth a try.

 

[Guest]

Ed,

Thanks for the response. I did go through most of my drivers and got
manufacturers updates before I tried the install. However, I could have
missed some. I will try driveragent and see.

 

[Dale \Mad_Murdock\ White]

Well, it's nice to see how wrong an apple user can be. Windows is not based
on a VAX, because that's hardware, what you really meant is David Culter who
was the program manager for Windows, use to be the program manager for VMS,
until he left Digital to go and work for Microsoft. VMS is still alive and
kicking to this day. And when I was in a linux class, those who worked on
VMS said they would prefer to work on VMS over linux, but VMS just never
caught on (Probably because it was hardware specific, just like a MAC and it
doesn't have a pretty GUI)

OSX ? You mean MAC os 10 helped invent the world wide web ? Gosh, and I
thought the WWW had been around for over 50 years, it didn't come out until
OSX ? At least you got part of it right. UNIX, not apple was teh foundation
of the internet. It was only after Apple couldn't do anything more creative
that they loaded FreeBSD and then wrote MAC OSX to sit on top of it. Wow,
at least Microsoft writes all their stuff, itstead of just making a pretty
gui for another OS. So in essence, OSX isn't an Operation system, it's just
another GNU

I know you read that Digital Equipment Corporation provide the PDP-6 for
Project MAC and you thought they were talking about the Macintosh, but it's
actually "Project MAC" (Machine Aided Cognition) at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology. Project MAC was oriented towards achieving a new
level of human-computer interaction

Maybe you should have paid more attention in your intro to computer class,
(though it must have been sponsored by Apple)

 

[Michelle Steiner]

if apple would have kept the price in line with the pc,
Apple would be number 1 instead of The Microsoft PC.
I believe that Apple just over prices their machines.

it seems you have old info. Macs are priced just the same as any top
tier PC nowadays. they are continually calibrated to be the same as HP,
DeLL, Gateway... and on the high end they are cheaper than Dells in many
situations.

Apple does need a mid-level tower box, we can agree on that. so if you
are looking for a generic "old school" box Apple doesn't having anything
for you. but if you look at the iMacs and Mac mini and the MacBooks,
you'll see Apple is price at, or lower than a similarly configured PC.

Keep in mind there is no Microsoft Tax when you buy a Mac so that saves
the customer $60-$140 out of the box. Apple will continue to be price
the same as the main PC vendors, what needs to change is people that
haven't looked at Macs for 10+ years, still think they are expensive,
but that's simply not true. you can check out near real time pricing
here.

http://www.pcprices.net/

 

[Michelle Steiner]

Well, it's nice to see how wrong an apple user can be. Windows is not based
on a VAX, because that's hardware, what you really meant is David Culter who
was the program manager for Windows, use to be the program manager for VMS,
until he left Digital to go and work for Microsoft. VMS is still alive and
kicking to this day. And when I was in a linux class, those who worked on
VMS said they would prefer to work on VMS over linux, but VMS just never
caught on (Probably because it was hardware specific, just like a MAC and it
doesn't have a pretty GUI)

Sure it is... yes, the VAX was/is hardware, but hardly anyone knows
about VMS which Windows/Vista is based on so I said VAX, sorry you got
confused.

OSX ? You mean MAC os 10 helped invent the world wide web ? Gosh, and I
thought the WWW had been around for over 50 years, it didn't come out until
OSX ?

gosh, you sure are dumb. The world wide web has only been around since
1989 when it was created by Tim Berners Lee using one of Steve Job's
NeXT boxes. NeXT is what made the web possible and "NeXTStep" the OS,
has now become OSX. When you type in "http://www.", you have NeXT/OSX to
thank, not Microsoft is my point.

here is a picture of the first "web" server...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FirstWebServer.jpg

and here is a picture of the latest "web" server running the same OS.

http://www.apple.com/xserve/

At least you got part of it right. UNIX, not apple was teh foundation
of the internet. It was only after Apple couldn't do anything more creative
that they loaded FreeBSD and then wrote MAC OSX to sit on top of it. Wow,
at least Microsoft writes all their stuff, itstead of just making a pretty
gui for another OS. So in essence, OSX isn't an Operation system, it's just
another GNU

Yes, but you are talking about the overall "internet", not the protocol
"http", which is a NeXT/OSX invention. Microsoft didn't write NT, it was
a port of VMS. At least with Apple's OSX, it's mostly OPEN SOURCE so you
aren't nearly as locked in like you are with Windows Vista. Apple
believes in established open standards, Microsoft is far more
proprietary.

I know you read that Digital Equipment Corporation provide the PDP-6 for
Project MAC and you thought they were talking about the Macintosh, but it's
actually "Project MAC" (Machine Aided Cognition) at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology. Project MAC was oriented towards achieving a new
level of human-computer interaction

You have no idea what you are talking about, how does this fit into your
argument? You even make the mistake throughout your reply of
capitalizing MAC, when the computer is "Mac"... never MAC.... "MAC" is
the acronym for media access control, not a computer... so you've had 3
mistakes in 1 reply. pretty funny.

Maybe you should have paid more attention in your intro to computer class,
(though it must have been sponsored by Apple)

Nah, I only use facts, and look them up to be sure they are correct. You
need to learn a little about the computing industry before you post
again. Thanks!

 

[Dale \Mad_Murdock\ White]

Whatever, you win ! Macs are the perfect OS ! Everyone should buy it and
we're all fools for using windows. But we're a niche little group and we
want to play around with Vista for the heck of it. Can you not respect that
? It doesn't matter who's better or worse, this forum is for support people
who want to use vista. just like forums for people who use Linux, are you
over there as well, telling them to get a Mac ?

It would be one thing, if you were here offering suggestions and then adding
an OBTW, of getting a mac. But you are doing nothing but trolling around
with your Buy a Mac only answer !

 

[Michelle Steiner]

Whatever, you win ! Macs are the perfect OS ! Everyone should buy it and
we're all fools for using windows.

Glad you are finally coming to your senses! Yes, you are a fool if you
buy into the Windows trap. It's simply not the OS to use in the era of
the Internet and OSX.

But we're a niche little group and we
want to play around with Vista for the heck of it.

Yes, Vista is a tiny player compared to OSX and will be for several
years to come. OSX is the OS most people will buy if they do their
research.

Can you not respect that
? It doesn't matter who's better or worse, this forum is for support people
who want to use vista. just like forums for people who use Linux, are you
over there as well, telling them to get a Mac ?

Not sure what you are getting at. This is a HELP forum and I'm helping
better than anyone. If you don't like it, go away, I'm here to help!

It would be one thing, if you were here offering suggestions and then adding
an OBTW, of getting a mac. But you are doing nothing but trolling around
with your Buy a Mac only answer !

I go for the correct answer without beating around the bush, the time
people spend trying to get Vista working could solve world hunger, build
9 pyramids, flip 1.9 billion burgers.

I'm here to point the best computing direction for "the modern age".
Vista is a throw back to the punchcard era. Wake up people! Vista is not
what you want in 2007, especially in business, in the home or for
entertainment.

nuff said.

 

[Dale \Mad_Murdock\ White]

I go for the correct answer without beating around the bush, the time
people spend trying to get Vista working could solve world hunger, build
9 pyramids, flip 1.9 billion burgers.

I'm here to point the best computing direction for "the modern age".
Vista is a throw back to the punchcard era. Wake up people! Vista is not
what you want in 2007, especially in business, in the home or for
entertainment.

nuff said.

Your right "enough said", You are correct any one with a brain will get a
Mac. So let us dumb people play around with Vista. We're not asking what
operating system should I be running. We're asking questions on how to make
vista work the way we want or how to fix a bug we see. It's how we choose to
spend our time, it's our right.

Why don't you go over to all the video game forums and tell everyone they
are wrong for playing video games, and that they need to be doing something
productive on a Mac ?

Hmm, feeding trolls is kinda fun, sure wish I had a Mac to do it on.

 

[Dale \Mad_Murdock\ White]

Oh yeah, while we're at it. Everyone who doesn't own an Apple Ipod is an
idiot. Ipods do everything better than any MP3 out there. Everyone in the
world should be forced to run iTunes regardless of what MP3 player they have
and all MP3s should be converted to AAC format, since it's superior format
than anything else in the world.

Everyone should throw away their current Cell Phones and get a iPhone, It's
an apple product, which means it's the best thing in the world. Apple made
it, they know everything, they are the best.

If you don't use apple products you're a retard, you should not be allowed
to own a Computer, Cell Phone or MP3 player ! If only Apple made everything
in the world, everything would be perfect.

There now you don't have to tell us what else we're doing wrong.

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Michelle

That's really amazing!

A dream computer like you describe here that has everything going for it and
yet they still sell less than 3% of the worlds computers? I wonder why
nobody buys them? You must have left something out?

 

[Dale White]

Ronnie, I think you're approach is better. Hope it's OK to steal your
material

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Dale

Not really my material, just facts.

These people who have an agenda to promote a competing product have a right
to do this, but not on a support forum for the product they are competing
with. They are taking advantage of users who are having problems and all
they do is distract and confuse the people who are seeking help.

If the product they are promoting was really a better or even a viable
alternative, then they would not need to use these tactics.

 

[joseph2k]

Well, it's nice to see how wrong an apple user can be. Windows is not
based on a VAX, because that's hardware, what you really meant is David
Culter who was the program manager for Windows, use to be the program
manager for VMS, until he left Digital to go and work for Microsoft. VMS
is still alive and kicking to this day. And when I was in a linux class,
those who worked on VMS said they would prefer to work on VMS over linux,
but VMS just never caught on (Probably because it was hardware specific,
just like a MAC and it doesn't have a pretty GUI)

Open VMS is alive and well on many hardware platforms, including 68K, x86,
MIPS, SPARC, HP PA-RISC, PowerPC, and others. It also supports the
X-Window system like all Unix and Linux platforms.

OSX ? You mean MAC os 10 helped invent the world wide web ? Gosh, and I
thought the WWW had been around for over 50 years, it didn't come out
until OSX ? At least you got part of it right. UNIX, not apple was teh
foundation of the internet. It was only after Apple couldn't do anything
more creative

The Internet itself is less than 40 years old, and the world wide web is
some 20 years younger.

that they loaded FreeBSD and then wrote MAC OSX to sit on top of it. Wow,
at least Microsoft writes all their stuff, itstead of just making a pretty
gui for another OS. So in essence, OSX isn't an Operation system, it's
just another GNU

I know you read that Digital Equipment Corporation provide the PDP-6 for
Project MAC and you thought they were talking about the Macintosh, but
it's actually "Project MAC" (Machine Aided Cognition) at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology. Project MAC was oriented towards achieving a new
level of human-computer interaction

Given your existing history goofs i do not trust you on this. Ever hear of
the Intel i432?

Maybe you should have paid more attention in your intro to computer class,
(though it must have been sponsored by Apple)

No, they lost most of the power, there is no way to implement it in a GUI.

No again, it is a sloppy clone of Apple's clone of unix and X-windows.
Apple bought some of the original top people who created X-windows from
Xerox. Micro$oft later did the same; but really screwed up by starting the
GUI before regularizing protected mode on the x86 (286 and particularly the
386 and above {M$ windows 3.0 and above). With XP they are corrected much
of the error, but i expect that Vista with all the DRM crap is a step
backwards.

What supercomputer rune OSX? All of the top 50 run Unix, Linux, MVS or a
custom OS. Unix was doing fault tolerant and cluster computing by the time
MS windows 3.0 came out. That is the difference in maturity between Unix
and MS.

 

[joseph2k]

Sure it is... yes, the VAX was/is hardware, but hardly anyone knows
about VMS which Windows/Vista is based on so I said VAX, sorry you got
confused.

It never was any such thing.

gosh, you sure are dumb. The world wide web has only been around since
1989 when it was created by Tim Berners Lee using one of Steve Job's
NeXT boxes. NeXT is what made the web possible and "NeXTStep" the OS,
has now become OSX. When you type in "http://www.", you have NeXT/OSX to
thank, not Microsoft is my point.

But you conveniently forgot that NEXTStep is a derivitive of BSD Unix and
was licenced as such.

here is a picture of the first "web" server...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FirstWebServer.jpg

and here is a picture of the latest "web" server running the same OS.

http://www.apple.com/xserve/

Not exactly, it is a reclone of NEXTStep/OpenBSD; see above.

Yes, but you are talking about the overall "internet", not the protocol
"http", which is a NeXT/OSX invention. Microsoft didn't write NT, it was
a port of VMS.

How could you be so wrong?

At least with Apple's OSX, it's mostly OPEN SOURCE so you
aren't nearly as locked in like you are with Windows Vista. Apple
believes in established open standards, Microsoft is far more
proprietary.


You have no idea what you are talking about, how does this fit into your
argument? You even make the mistake throughout your reply of
capitalizing MAC, when the computer is "Mac"... never MAC.... "MAC" is
the acronym for media access control, not a computer... so you've had 3
mistakes in 1 reply. pretty funny.


Nah, I only use facts, and look them up to be sure they are correct. You
need to learn a little about the computing industry before you post
again. Thanks!

Pretty faulty lookups. In particular the VMS stuff; provide links to back
up that up, or forget it.