Vista - number of reinstalls after product release

[Alexey]

I have read the article, in which general manager of Windows Shanen
Boettcher says, that Vista licence will allow only 2 machines install for 1
licence.
Is it means, that if i buy box version, i can use it only on 2 machines at
all?
Why is this?
I was able to use XP on unlimited number of PCs (i mean install on 1st PC,
uninstall on 1st PC, install on 2nd PC, uninstall on 2nd PC, and so on)

I this restriction will exist, that what is reason to buy box version?
Than i will not buy it. Why to pay several times for one program?!

 

[Will]

To me it sounds like it's all about the all mighty dollar $$$$$

 

[jwardl]

I have read the article, in which general manager of Windows Shanen
Boettcher says, that Vista licence will allow only 2 machines install for 1
licence.
Is it means, that if i buy box version, i can use it only on 2 machines at
all?
Why is this?
I was able to use XP on unlimited number of PCs (i mean install on 1st PC,
uninstall on 1st PC, install on 2nd PC, uninstall on 2nd PC, and so on)

I this restriction will exist, that what is reason to buy box version?
Than i will not buy it. Why to pay several times for one program?!

I've been quite a supporter of MS, but, this really p*sses me off... I (like
many of us) like to tinker with my PC, upgrading it bit by bit. If MS is
really going to do this, they're going to drive more of us toward Linux and
Mac.

I'll be d*mned if I'm going to pay for the same OS *twice*.

 

[Will]

Well this definately can't be about pirated copies
it's a definate restriction on how many times you can transfer the software.
Normally one would think if you paid big dollars for an OS that you would be
allowed to transfer it as many times as you like as long as it's only
installed on one system at any given time.

But not anymore !
From what I can understand upgrading hardware isn't a problem you can still
do that as many times as you like without restriction.

However transferring the os from one pc to another (for example if you
bought a new pc)
thwn that is only allowed once.

And one would assume that would go by the motherboard (as it is the only
component in a system that defines it as a system) so in other words you can
only upgrade the motherboard once. after that, if you upgrade the
Motherboard you would have to purchase a new licence for the OS so in
effect MSFT will be forcing us to pay for something we rightfully own twice

This stinks and seems to be a massive rip off, and it will disadvantage all
those who frequently upgrade their system.

 

[Gary Mount]

Windows XP has the same license restrictions, nothing new here.

 

[Daze N. Knights]

Windows XP has the same license restrictions, nothing new here.

And you can prove that the XP EULA limits moving the OS+license only once?

 

[Will]

Not true With Xp if you own the full retail version it will let you transfer
as many times as you like of course you will need to activate it everytime
you do so

Xp OEM versions will in some cases let you transfer once but as rule OEM is
only valid on the one system

 

[Jippo]

Will kirjoitti:

Not true With Xp if you own the full retail version it will let you
transfer as many times as you like of course you will need to activate
it everytime you do so

Xp OEM versions will in some cases let you transfer once but as rule OEM
is only valid on the one system

I agree, the announced limitation sucks royally.

I'm hardware guy. I have changed my computer/mainbord/hard drives at
least 4 times during the time I've had Windows XP.

 

[Gary Mount]

Yes, I can prove it. Read this article for info.

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_licensing.asp

 

[Alias~-]

Yes, I can prove it. Read this article for info.

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_licensing.asp

LOL!

Rebuttal: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=158

Alias

 

[David Wilkinson]

Yes, I can prove it. Read this article for info.

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_licensing.asp

Gary:

You believe everything you read on the internet?

David Wilkinson

 

[Daze N. Knights]

Yes, I can prove it. Read this article for info.

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_licensing.asp

I don't see any quotations in Paul Thurrott's article from the Windows
XP EULA that specifies one may moving the OS+license only once. Instead
of citing the actual words of the EULA, you are citing an article by a
third party who cites MS personnel explaining what MS supposedly *meant*
to say (but didn't) in XP's EULA.

 

[Tom Porterfield]

I don't see any quotations in Paul Thurrott's article from the Windows
XP EULA that specifies one may moving the OS+license only once. Instead
of citing the actual words of the EULA, you are citing an article by a
third party who cites MS personnel explaining what MS supposedly *meant*
to say (but didn't) in XP's EULA.

From
http://download.microsoft.com/docum...lish_9d10381d-6fa8-47c7-83b0-c53f722371fa.pdf,
section 1.B:

The software is licensed on a per copy per device basis.

and 15.A:

The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device
one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the
"licensed device."

 

[ML]

Yes. This is Vista you are quoting. Not XP.

From
http://download.microsoft.com/docum...lish_9d10381d-6fa8-47c7-83b0-c53f722371fa.pdf,
section 1.B:

The software is licensed on a per copy per device basis.

and 15.A:

The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device
one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the
"licensed device."

 

[Tom Porterfield]

Yes. This is Vista you are quoting. Not XP.

Quite right, transposed those when reading the original. To that, there is
absolutely nothing in the XP EULA for the full package retail product that
mentions any limit on the number of times the license may be transferred to
a new device. Anyone who says there is one is wrong, even if they are from
Microsoft or a "trusted" source. If they say they meant to put one there,
well... I meant to buy a lot of stock in UPS when they first went public -
too bad for me.

 

[Daze N. Knights]

Quite right, transposed those when reading the original. To that, there
is absolutely nothing in the XP EULA for the full package retail product
that mentions any limit on the number of times the license may be
transferred to a new device. Anyone who says there is one is wrong,
even if they are from Microsoft or a "trusted" source. If they say they
meant to put one there, well... I meant to buy a lot of stock in UPS
when they first went public - too bad for me.

Perhaps if we all agree to let MS rewrite its EULA for XP to allow only
one transfer, then UPS will let us all buy a lot of original stock at
the original prices? I think I'd go for that.

 

[John Barnes]

This is from my copy of XP Pro x86 version

14. SOFTWARE TRANSFER. Internal.
You may move the Software to a different Workstation
Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove
the Software from the former Workstation Computer. Transfer
to Third Party. The initial user of the Software may make
a one-time permanent transfer of this EULA and Software to
another end user, provided the initial user retains no
copies of the Software. This transfer must include the
Software and the Proof of License label. The transfer may
not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior
to the transfer, the end user receiving the Software must
agree to all the EULA terms.

 

[John Barnes]

Should have added my copy is from late 2004 and includes SP2

 

[Barry Watzman]

Re: "Windows XP has the same license restrictions, nothing new here"

That is simply not true. Categorically not true, at least for retail
boxed copies of XP.

A retail boxed copy of XP can be moved from one machine to another an
UNLIMITED number of times [I fully understand that when it is moved from
one machine to another, it must be erased from the machine that it was
originally on ... it can only be on one machine at a time. BUT IT CAN
BE MOVED WITHOUT LIMITATION, as far as the EULA is concerned.]

Whereas under the Vista EULA, a retail copy of Vista can only be moved ONCE.

[For both XP and Vista, as far as the Eula is concerned, an OEM copy can
NEVER be moved, not even once. The Eula for retail and OEM copies is
different in this regard.]

Of course the issue isn't entirely limited to "movement". There is a
practical issue of how Vista determines whether or not it is in fact on
the same system or a new system. And to this extent, the problem arises
that an UPGRADE of a system may be seen by Vista as a transfer
(movement) of the OS from one system to a different system.

Microsoft has never come right out and said what defines a "system".
For XP, we do know what triggers product activation: Ten parameters are
monitored, and if more than 3 of them change, product activation
considers it to be a new system (if the hardware MAC address, which is
one of the parameters looked at, does not change then a larger number of
other items are allowed to change).

Microsoft has not released any information, however, on how Vista will work.

Also, in XP, the PA database reportedly (and in fact apparently) resets
itself after 4 months of no changes, even apparently for OEM copies.
This makes the actual implementation more liberal than the letter of the
EULA. But we don't know if this will continue to be the case for Vista
or not.

 

[John Barnes]

From XP EULA 2004 SP2 version Internal is different, Third Party is not.

14. SOFTWARE TRANSFER. Internal.
You may move the Software to a different Workstation
Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove
the Software from the former Workstation Computer. Transfer
to Third Party. The initial user of the Software may make
a one-time permanent transfer of this EULA and Software to
another end user, provided the initial user retains no
copies of the Software. This transfer must include the
Software and the Proof of License label. The transfer may
not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior
to the transfer, the end user receiving the Software must
agree to all the EULA terms.

Re: "Windows XP has the same license restrictions, nothing new here"

That is simply not true. Categorically not true, at least for retail
boxed copies of XP.

A retail boxed copy of XP can be moved from one machine to another an
UNLIMITED number of times [I fully understand that when it is moved from
one machine to another, it must be erased from the machine that it was
originally on ... it can only be on one machine at a time. BUT IT CAN BE
MOVED WITHOUT LIMITATION, as far as the EULA is concerned.]

Whereas under the Vista EULA, a retail copy of Vista can only be moved
ONCE.

[For both XP and Vista, as far as the Eula is concerned, an OEM copy can
NEVER be moved, not even once. The Eula for retail and OEM copies is
different in this regard.]

Of course the issue isn't entirely limited to "movement". There is a
practical issue of how Vista determines whether or not it is in fact on
the same system or a new system. And to this extent, the problem arises
that an UPGRADE of a system may be seen by Vista as a transfer (movement)
of the OS from one system to a different system.

Microsoft has never come right out and said what defines a "system". For
XP, we do know what triggers product activation: Ten parameters are
monitored, and if more than 3 of them change, product activation considers
it to be a new system (if the hardware MAC address, which is one of the
parameters looked at, does not change then a larger number of other items
are allowed to change).

Microsoft has not released any information, however, on how Vista will
work.

Also, in XP, the PA database reportedly (and in fact apparently) resets
itself after 4 months of no changes, even apparently for OEM copies. This
makes the actual implementation more liberal than the letter of the EULA.
But we don't know if this will continue to be the case for Vista or not.

Windows XP has the same license restrictions, nothing new here.