vista mess

[Guest]

client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it.

how do i get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action against m/s
again?

the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes unbelievable time
when you want to do a simple thing as remove a program.

i sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english tried to
write me from india. does bill hire americans any more?

really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile.

any ideas would be very appreciated.

the old guy

 

[P. Di Stolfo]

Hello,

if you don't want Vista, format the hard drive and install XP. It's just as
simple as that.

Greetings,
P. Di Stolfo

 

[astyles]

client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it.

how do i get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action against m/s
again?

the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes unbelievable time
when you want to do a simple thing as remove a program.

i sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english tried to
write me from india. does bill hire americans any more?

really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile.

any ideas would be very appreciated.

the old guy

If the user has his old machine then you can use "magic jelly bean" to
get his old CD key and re-activate his legit XP version on his new
machine. Ghost the Vista machine off somewhere before you begin in
case you run into any problems.

 

[Ron Badour]

See if XP drivers exist for the hardware on the new PC and if there are
drivers, buy a copy of XP on EBay or check Pricewatch.com.

 

[Terry R.]

On 8/28/2007 1:04 PM On a whim, dangerwillrobinson pounded out on the
keyboard

client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it.

how do i get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action against m/s
again?

the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes unbelievable time
when you want to do a simple thing as remove a program.

i sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english tried to
write me from india. does bill hire americans any more?

really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile.

any ideas would be very appreciated.

the old guy

Hey old guy,

Two ways you can do it. Buy a copy of XP and reformat the drive, which
will in most cases void the warranty. Or you can purchase another hard
drive, remove the existing one with Vista, install the new one and put
XP on it. Then if anything goes wrong with the computer, you can remove
the XP hard drive and install the Vista hard drive to get warranty service.


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Terry R.

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[Shenan Stanley]

client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it.

How were they forced?
Forced by whom?

I buy new computers just about every week and make suggestions to others -
no one has been 'forced' to get a computer with Windows Vista on a computer.
In fact - I usually (right now) spec them with Windows XP.

I suppose - if you choose your vendor (computer manufacturer) unwisely -
that you can make a choice to get Vista - if that is all that manufacturer
sells - but that is no fault of Microsoft's - only of the manufacturer
building/supporting said system and ultimately *yours* for making a choice
that so limits you.

how do I get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action
against m/s again?

For? See the above. You would have to choose to have Windows Vista or you
would have to choose a vendor who chooses to only have Windows Vista on the
machines they sell. You would be suing the vendor for not giving you a
choice of OSes (they likely wouldn't install Ubuntu either) or yourself for
making the a choice.

Your choice to bring a 'class action' against anyone is just that - your
choice. Go for it - but you should have an understanding of what you are
bringing up and whom you are bringing it against beforehand - methinks.

the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes
unbelievable time when you want to do a simple thing as remove a
program.

Opinions. Not saying I disagree - but they are still opinions.

I sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english
tried to write me from india. does bill hire americans any more?

Yes - "Bill" (assuming you mean Bill Gates... which would then have to lead
to the inference you mean Microsoft as a whole - given Bill Gates does not
run the day-to-day anymore - although that is not what you say) does hire
Americans - although they are not the only people on the planet that speak
English as a first language nor do all of them do it well.

really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile.

You have provided any proof as to what 'dogpile' you refer to. Microsoft
did not force you or your client to get Windows Vista. If you chose to get
Windows Vista (did not ask the vendor for an option) or chose to get a
computer from a vendor who could not supply you with the options you (or you
client made these choices) desired - that is your bad choice.

any ideas would be very appreciated.

See the inline comments.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

dangerwillrobinson wrote:

how do I get xp on it and dump vista?

<snip>

Apologies. I neglected to answer this in my initial response:

First - make sure the manufacturer of each of the hardware components
(motherboard chipset, video card, network card, sound card, etc...) has
drivers available for Windows XP. It is plausible/possible that a given
hardware vendor could create a new product and *not* provide drivers that
function under a given OS. That is their choice - so you need to make sure
all the hardware components in the given machine have drivers for the OS you
plan on installing - in this case - Windows XP.

Next - get a Windows XP License/CD of your choice (Home, Professional, Media
Center Edition, etc.) and use the key that comes with that CD/license to
install Windows XP and utilize the drivers you found previously for the
hardware to get the system going. Then install any other software you want.

 

[baynole]

How were they forced?
Forced by whom?

I buy new computers just about every week and make suggestions to others -
no one has been 'forced' to get a computer with Windows Vista on a computer.
In fact - I usually (right now) spec them with Windows XP.

I suppose - if you choose your vendor (computer manufacturer) unwisely -
that you can make a choice to get Vista - if that is all that manufacturer
sells - but that is no fault of Microsoft's - only of the manufacturer
building/supporting said system and ultimately *yours* for making a choice
that so limits you.


For? See the above. You would have to choose to have Windows Vista or you
would have to choose a vendor who chooses to only have Windows Vista on the
machines they sell. You would be suing the vendor for not giving you a
choice of OSes (they likely wouldn't install Ubuntu either) or yourself for
making the a choice.

Your choice to bring a 'class action' against anyone is just that - your
choice. Go for it - but you should have an understanding of what you are
bringing up and whom you are bringing it against beforehand - methinks.


Opinions. Not saying I disagree - but they are still opinions.


Yes - "Bill" (assuming you mean Bill Gates... which would then have to lead
to the inference you mean Microsoft as a whole - given Bill Gates does not
run the day-to-day anymore - although that is not what you say) does hire
Americans - although they are not the only people on the planet that speak
English as a first language nor do all of them do it well.


You have provided any proof as to what 'dogpile' you refer to. Microsoft
did not force you or your client to get Windows Vista. If you chose to get
Windows Vista (did not ask the vendor for an option) or chose to get a
computer from a vendor who could not supply you with the options you (or you
client made these choices) desired - that is your bad choice.


See the inline comments.

Beginning the first of next year, Microsoft will no longer sell XP to
manufacturerers as OEM.Then your arguments will fail.
And who exactly supplies PCs w/ XP at the moment besides Dell??

 

[Malke]

Beginning the first of next year, Microsoft will no longer sell XP to
manufacturerers as OEM.Then your arguments will fail.
And who exactly supplies PCs w/ XP at the moment besides Dell??

HP Business. Many smaller system builders. Falcon-Northwest. And others.


Malke

 

[ANONYMOUS]

You will need to buy XP from the store and do a clean install of it on
our new computer. This also means that anything on the HD will be wiped
clean and you will lose it completely. KAPUT.

Have you tried increasing the memory of your system to make vista work
efficiently? I suggest get 2048 mb of memory because vista ultimate
works fine on my new DELL system. I am NOT happy with Office 2007
though!

Hope this helps.

 

[ANONYMOUS]

and NOVATECH.CO.UK

HP Business. Many smaller system builders. Falcon-Northwest. And others.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

 

[Shenan Stanley]

Beginning the first of next year, Microsoft will no longer sell XP
to manufacturerers as OEM.Then your arguments will fail.
And who exactly supplies PCs w/ XP at the moment besides Dell??

What is your point?
My *arguments will fail* sometime in the future.
Very seldom does something dynamic (like an operating system) hold up to the
scrutiny of time. My argument is valid *now*.

I know that some divisions of many computer manufacturers (business
divisions mostly - although some others) offer Windows XP as an option
either directly *or* if the customer requests it. If the customer is wise
enough to request what they want and cannot get it there - then I hope they
are wise enough to move on to someplace where they can get it.

In the future - when (like Windows 98SE, Windows 95, MS-DOS 6.2, older
versions of the Macintosh OS, older versions of various *nix OSes, etc)
Windows XP becomes available as a new product - yes - people will be less
likely to be able to find it - and sooner or later - they won't find it at
all except on eBay - if even there (given the prevalence of older OSes on
eBay now - that will take SOME time.) This is not a revelation - but a
fact.

Any small mom/pop computer store (or any local computer store) could likely
assembly you a computer with the OS of *your choice*. You could assemble a
computer yourself online with the OS of *your choice*. I believe HP
Business still sells with XP as an option. I am sure there are others - and
I am sure there are some that don't 'advertise' it - but would do it if
questions on it *before the sale took place*. Supply and demand has worked
longer than I have been around - I expect it to continue doing its work long
after I am gone. However - things can and do change - whether you desire
them to or not in many cases.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

Shenan Stanley wrote:

In the future - when (like Windows 98SE, Windows 95, MS-DOS 6.2,
older versions of the Macintosh OS, older versions of various *nix
OSes, etc) Windows XP becomes available as a new product - yes -
people will be less likely to be able to find it - and sooner or
later - they won't find it at all except on eBay - if even there
(given the prevalence of older OSes on eBay now - that will take
SOME time.) This is not a revelation - but a fact.

<snip>

correction...

"... OSes, etc) Windows XP becomes available as a new product - yes ..."

should have been:

"... OSes, etc) Windows XP becomes unavailable as a new product - yes ..."

 

[Bruce Chambers]

client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it.

"Forced?" Really? Someone held a gun to his head? Have you contacted
local law enforcement agencies?

how do i get xp on it and dump vista?

If you can't figure that out, you most certainly shouldn't have clients.

do we need a class action against m/s
again?

Nope. Just a client that knows how to shop. (And self-proclaimed techs
that can actually spell "PC.")

the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes unbelievable time
when you want to do a simple thing as remove a program.

Based on the content above, I'd have to conclude that this is more a
measure of your utter lack of computer/technical knowledge and experience.

i sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english tried to
write me from india. does bill hire americans any more?

*What* issue? How do you expect anyone to help if you won't even
bother to describe a problem? Perhaps you should try here:

Psychic Friends Network
(800) 592-7827

really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile.

Well, then, I suggest you start by looking in the extensive Help and
Support area. It's on the Start Menu.


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[M.I.5¾]

Hello,

if you don't want Vista, format the hard drive and install XP. It's just
as simple as that.

It is only that simple provided that you have XP drivers for all the
hardware (including the motherboard chipset drivers). If you don't prepare
to be disappointed.