Vista may spy on you for the gov't

[Alias]

And you don't think there's -any- chance that any of these IP's are
spoofed?

Even if they're not... at some point one must choose to either let the
government attempt to prevent future in-country attacks or take one's
chances. I am, by all accounts, fairly liberal in my thinking. That
said, I would prefer the former choice and having to give up my on-line
privacy ( -I- have nothing to hide, at least as it relates to terrorist
activities) if it helped prevent the detonation of a dirty bomb in Times
Square. I don't think the feds are concerned with other aspects of one's
private life. (Unless one is a drug dealer of major proportion or some
other high-level criminal.)

I used to live in Yonkers, NY. I could sit in my driveway and see the
World Trade Center towers. When I lived on LI, on a clear day, one could
see the tops of the towers from forty miles away. No more. The
approximate three thousand people that died on 9/11/01 will pale in
comparison if the bad guys manage to get a dirty bomb into NYC and
detonate it. Read my email, please!

And all that said... if one accepts (or, in many folks cases, submits
to) government agencies sucking up local bandwidth to monitor for
terrorist traffic, then one must accept that such activities are going
to have a negative effect on performance. It's a fact of life. Sure, the
negative effect on performance sucks big time... the alternative, i.e.,
letting everyone post in total anonymity, well.. personally, as the
previous statements in this email suggest, is a freedom I'm willing to
sacrifice -these days-. But, again, that may be because I lived up in
the NYC area, lived in Manhattan for 12 years, in fact. And I believe
that NYC will remain the main target. But I'm getting off track, now...
sorry. Yes, having big brother suck up your local bandwidth sucks! I'm
willing to deal with it.

Lang

Considering that it's likely that Bush and Cheney had a lot to do with
9/11, this spying is even more scary.

Alias

 

[The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy]

I think someone stopped taking his medicine.

Yeah, right!

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Only religious fanatics and totalitarian states equate morality with
legality."
- Linus Torvalds

 

[Anthony Marsh]

Your tinfoil hat is too tight.

Mike

Obviously a joke message, but don't be so quick to call everyone
paranoid. That's the tactic that the government used when denying that
it was spying on everyone at the same time it was(is) spying on everyone.

 

[Mac]

Alias, you just dropped 95% in my estimation. The OP's "article" was a
repost from a thinly-populated juvenile forum, and it only takes a few
minutes to check it out. The whole thing is rubbish from get go... and both
sources are heavily peppered with critical comments - gosh it got
slashdotted for a while and then the script kiddies even woke up...

And you get caught up in this? Duh...

 

[Bill Yanaire]

Someone has HIS head placed firmly up his ASS, doesn't HE?

You are a disease that is spreading

 

[Bill Yanaire]

What do you expect from the Ubuntu Marketing Department?

 

[Alias]

Alias, you just dropped 95% in my estimation. The OP's "article" was a
repost from a thinly-populated juvenile forum, and it only takes a few
minutes to check it out. The whole thing is rubbish from get go... and
both sources are heavily peppered with critical comments - gosh it got
slashdotted for a while and then the script kiddies even woke up...

And you get caught up in this? Duh...

Um, I never said the story was credible. I said that Bush and Cheney
were behind 9/11 and if you don't think that the US government doesn't
wiretap and otherwise spy on people, you are really naive.

Alias

 

[Alias]

What do you expect from the Ubuntu Marketing Department?

You just have to jump on the bash Alias bandwagon and not respond to
content, don't you? Are you related to Frank?

Alias

 

[Frank]

You just have to jump on the bash Alias bandwagon and not respond to
content, don't you? Are you related to Frank?

Nah...he just recognizes a linux loser fool like you...which is quite
easy to do, btw!
Of course, you always respond to content don't you?
hahahah...yeah, right!
Frank

 

[Lang Murphy]

I don't agree with all of your points Lang, but I have to tell you that
you seem like a very strong individual and I admire you for it.

--

Thanks! My head is swelling! Quick, fire up the VM running SunOS! Ah,
there... now I feel like a regular guy again.

;-)

Thanks, really.

Lang

 

[xfile]

I never had any doubt but I reserve my comments on whether it should or
should not. Life is more complicated than a Yes or No.

But I found it's interesting that conspiracy theorists(admittediately, I'm
one of them sometime) didn't notice a thread posted a few days earlier
titled: Chinese piracy ring tackled

In the article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6917127.stm) it says,
and I quoted:

-----------------------

Microsoft said information gathered by WGA from more than 1,000 fake copies
produced by the counterfeiters and sold around the world helped law
enforcement agencies home in on the pirates. Fake software produced by the
group was found in 27 countries.

----------------------------

So that tells me information collected by WGA did provide to "government",
and in this particular case, for fighting against pirates.

Well, before flaming me as a piracy supporter, I don't see things as a
simple Yes or No, it's where to draw the line and where is the checks and
blances system.

 

[xfile]

Should I say "by Microsoft" so that you can understand?

Who gives the judgement of its action other than you?

 

[Ian Betts]

Obviously a joke message, but don't be so quick to call everyone paranoid.
That's the tactic that the government used when denying that it was spying
on everyone at the same time it was(is) spying on everyone.

American are paranoid but that does not mean that governments every where
these days are not going to make every effort to know what you are all
doing. So what, if your not a terrorist who cares what you do anyway.

 

[Ian Betts]

Trying to explain the truth to Frank or any fanboy is like trying to
explain the advantages of being with a woman to a fag. They are not
interested in what is right. Just spreading disease.

Floyd

Boy you are a tight ass. Are you allowed out with your attitudes to people.

 

[Alias]

American are paranoid but that does not mean that governments every
where these days are not going to make every effort to know what you are
all doing. So what, if your not a terrorist who cares what you do anyway.

Many people have been held in jail without charges who were innocent. It
could happen to you, too.

 

[The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy]

I never had any doubt but I reserve my comments on whether it should or
should not. Life is more complicated than a Yes or No.

But I found it's interesting that conspiracy theorists(admittediately, I'm
one of them sometime) didn't notice a thread posted a few days earlier
titled: Chinese piracy ring tackled

In the article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6917127.stm) it says,
and I quoted:

-----------------------

Microsoft said information gathered by WGA from more than 1,000 fake copies
produced by the counterfeiters and sold around the world helped law
enforcement agencies home in on the pirates. Fake software produced by the
group was found in 27 countries.

----------------------------

So that tells me information collected by WGA did provide to "government",
and in this particular case, for fighting against pirates.

Well, before flaming me as a piracy supporter, I don't see things as a
simple Yes or No, it's where to draw the line and where is the checks and
blances system.

Good find. However, I would probably draw the line in a different place
than yourself.


--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Only religious fanatics and totalitarian states equate morality with
legality."
- Linus Torvalds

 

[Guest]

I would not mind if I was monitored to protect the country against terrorism.
But this adminstration is using the technology to supress opposition to thier
agenda, terrorising people who dare to stand up and say THIS IS WRONG. We
just have to get our country back from these idoits to restore our rights and
the ideals that America used to stand by. I hope this forum will not turn
into a political debate, but then we are human and political by nature. No?

 

[floydlawson]

Are you referring to the case of 900 missing FBI files.. or taped cell
phone conversations between the speaker of the house and his staff,
turned over to the media. OH it must be listening to other "Bimbo"
revelations that are to come to light. How about the IRS knocking on
your door for speaking out about being assaulted by the POTUS.

Oppps.. that was the previous administration protecting THEMSELVES!!!!

But this adminstration is using the technology to supress opposition to thier
agenda, terrorising people who dare to stand up and say THIS IS WRONG. We

I challenge you to FACTUALLY expose ONE case of the same (or even
close) by the current administraton. Kooky web site conspiracies are
NOT valid!

You should really try thinking for yourself instead of believing all
the crap you read at the DK or DU.

One thing you are correct in, this is OT.

I would not mind if I was monitored to protect the country against terrorism.

just have to get our country back from these idoits to restore our rights and
the ideals that America used to stand by. I hope this forum will not turn
into a political debate, but then we are human and political by nature. No?

:

-snip

 

[Guest]

What was the name of the CIA lady when her husband (former US ambassador)
said that the Bush people are faking the intelligent reports about Iraq? I
forgot. What were the names of so many dedicated Americans in the intelligent
community that objected for the Bush people to alter their findings about
Iraq? Oh...there were so many who were fired, forced to resign or accept
early retirements and many were just nameless any way. The people who
objected or exposed just a little of what this administration was doing to
the so called captured terrorists were punished more severely than the people
who committed the criminal acts. Oh brother...i don't think you and i can
change each other's mind. i have 1st hand experience for voicing my
opposition and gotten my last paycheck and written agreement to stay silent.
and so i now live and teach in china and wait for one day to return back home.

 

[Guest]

Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not really after
you!
Frank

----------------------
The lack of control of my own computer is what has driven me to that OS
starting with the letter L. Yesterday I attempted to update my legally
purchased copy of Windows. I selected the option that would allow me to
choose the security downloads. To my surprise the FIRST download (no choice)
was Windows Genuine Advantage. There was no getting around it. Needless to
say it p*ssed me off and the security update did NOT occur. Lack of choice.

What did Ido after that...I rebooted into the Linux side of the
computer--where I have complete control over what is one my computer. If not
for the few games that I still run, I'd wipe the partition clean.

Microsoft, as a customer who has purchased (over the years) no less than 6
copies of Windows, I am completely annoyed.