Vista just doesn't do it

P

Papa

I think Vista is, as they say, "not ready for prime time". I've tried it out
for 2 weeks now, and have encountered way too many problems.

Earlier this month I purchased a new Gateway Notebook with Vista Home
Premium pre-installed. This notebook is for my grandson who is a college
student.

So many functions have been changed. Even the most experienced computer user
is going to be very low (for a long time) on the learning curve. For
example, the Vista Control Panel no longer contains a DISPLAY icon. Instead,
there is another much more vague icon (I can't remember the name) to gain
access to the display properties.

Another familiar Windows XP function that is now much harder to find is the
FILE EDIT function. I still haven't found out how to do a file SELECT
ALL/COPY on Vista. Oh, I'm sure it's there, and I would eventually find it,
but why has Microsoft made general usage so much different? There are
numerous similar sources of unnecessary confusion.

I expected Vista to provide better performance, improved video editing
functions, and the like - BUT I was dismayed to discover that Vista has
accomplished this while also putting every user back to square one
knowledgewise. I hate to think what this will do to office efficiency for
those companies who rush out and buy Vista too soon, and I definitely would
not want to be in charge of their Information Systems departments right now.
What a nightmare that must be!

The worst problem I encountered was trying to get the new laptop to connect
to my home network. There are many technical forums - where multitudes of
users are complaining about Vista wireless connectivity not working. One of
these forums, for example, is at
microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing. Take a look.

It took an entire day to get the wireless connectivity problem resolved, and
that was on a brand new machine. I hope my grandson will be able to connect
wirelessly at school. If he runs into too many glitches I will probably have
to get rid of Vista, reformat his drive and install Windows XP.

I also purchased an upgrade version of Vista for my own laptop. It installed
OK, but several device drivers were not recognized, and wireless
connectivity was just impossible to achieve. I had Windows XP running on
that machine, and it was connected wirelessly to my home network during the
beginning of the Vista upgrade. The wireless icon on the lower right-hand
edge of my laptop screen showed that it was connected. Unfortunately, after
Vista took over, wireless connectivity was gone, and I have spent days
talking to Vista MVPs about the problem. Their answers, though well
intended, accomplished nothing except to add to my confusion.

When I originally set up my home network, it was a little difficult, but not
like this. I was able to create the network without any help at all, and all
of my computers connected wirelessly or via CAT5 cable without any undue
delays. With Vista, users need help, and lots of it.

From my experience during the last 2 weeks, I have come to the conclusion
that users should avoid buying Vista (or new computers with Vista
pre-installed) for a year or so - until it is more reliable and enough time
has passed so that compatible device drivers are more widely available.

If you are thinking of upgrading your old computer to Vista, it may be too
demanding of your existing hardware. Looks like a minimum of 1GB of memory,
2GHZ of speed, and 100 GB of hard drive space are needed for decent
performance. The display adapter should be much more capable too, if you
wish to take advantage of the Vista video capabilities. With new machines,
hardware limitations should be less of a problem, but I still suggest
waiting for a year or two.

My 50 cents worth.
 
H

housetrained

Papa said:
I think Vista is, as they say, "not ready for prime time". I've tried it
out
for 2 weeks now, and have encountered way too many problems.

Earlier this month I purchased a new Gateway Notebook with Vista Home
Premium pre-installed. This notebook is for my grandson who is a college
student.

So many functions have been changed. Even the most experienced computer
user
is going to be very low (for a long time) on the learning curve. For
example, the Vista Control Panel no longer contains a DISPLAY icon.
Instead,
there is another much more vague icon (I can't remember the name) to gain
access to the display properties.

Another familiar Windows XP function that is now much harder to find is
the
FILE EDIT function. I still haven't found out how to do a file SELECT
ALL/COPY on Vista. Oh, I'm sure it's there, and I would eventually find
it,
but why has Microsoft made general usage so much different? There are
numerous similar sources of unnecessary confusion.

I expected Vista to provide better performance, improved video editing
functions, and the like - BUT I was dismayed to discover that Vista has
accomplished this while also putting every user back to square one
knowledgewise. I hate to think what this will do to office efficiency for
those companies who rush out and buy Vista too soon, and I definitely
would
not want to be in charge of their Information Systems departments right
now.
What a nightmare that must be!

The worst problem I encountered was trying to get the new laptop to
connect
to my home network. There are many technical forums - where multitudes of
users are complaining about Vista wireless connectivity not working. One
of
these forums, for example, is at
microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing. Take a look.

It took an entire day to get the wireless connectivity problem resolved,
and
that was on a brand new machine. I hope my grandson will be able to
connect
wirelessly at school. If he runs into too many glitches I will probably
have
to get rid of Vista, reformat his drive and install Windows XP.

I also purchased an upgrade version of Vista for my own laptop. It
installed
OK, but several device drivers were not recognized, and wireless
connectivity was just impossible to achieve. I had Windows XP running on
that machine, and it was connected wirelessly to my home network during
the
beginning of the Vista upgrade. The wireless icon on the lower right-hand
edge of my laptop screen showed that it was connected. Unfortunately,
after
Vista took over, wireless connectivity was gone, and I have spent days
talking to Vista MVPs about the problem. Their answers, though well
intended, accomplished nothing except to add to my confusion.

When I originally set up my home network, it was a little difficult, but
not
like this. I was able to create the network without any help at all, and
all
of my computers connected wirelessly or via CAT5 cable without any undue
delays. With Vista, users need help, and lots of it.

From my experience during the last 2 weeks, I have come to the conclusion
that users should avoid buying Vista (or new computers with Vista
pre-installed) for a year or so - until it is more reliable and enough
time
has passed so that compatible device drivers are more widely available.

If you are thinking of upgrading your old computer to Vista, it may be too
demanding of your existing hardware. Looks like a minimum of 1GB of
memory,
2GHZ of speed, and 100 GB of hard drive space are needed for decent
performance. The display adapter should be much more capable too, if you
wish to take advantage of the Vista video capabilities. With new machines,
hardware limitations should be less of a problem, but I still suggest
waiting for a year or two.

My 50 cents worth.

For display properties just right click the desktop and choose Personalize -
much easier than XP (think back to when you first got XP)
 
P

Papa

When I first got XP, all I had to do was go to the control panel and click
on (surprise, surprise) Display - just like how I did it with W98. Simple
and intuitive.
 
J

Justin

Why did you post this again? You already had many responses to this in your
other thread:

"Vista just doen't do it"
 
H

housetrained

Papa said:
When I first got XP, all I had to do was go to the control panel and click
on (surprise, surprise) Display - just like how I did it with W98. Simple
and intuitive.

two clicks instead of three - easier?
 
J

Justin

What are you guys talking about?

XP - Right-Click -> Properties
Vista - Right-Click -> Personalize

It's the same. Just a different menu name.

"Zim Babwe"
That is 33% fewer clicks. Pretty substantial if you ask me :)
 
P

Papa

Because it was removed (along with many other threads complaining about
Vista). If you recall, my original was posted just yesterday.
 
P

Papa

My mistake. After using the "catchup" function, all older posts re-appeared.
Sorry about re-posting. It was unnecessary.
 
P

Papa

Now I'm not so sure. Nothing shows up earlier than February 28th, and more
than half of the February 28th posts are gone, including mine. ????
 
J

Justin

I see all your posts.

Are you connecting to MS directly or are you using someone else's USENET
server?

The MS server goes back to 12/01/06.
 
P

Papa

I'm using Outlook Express along with newsgroup server msnews.microsoft.com,
and this newsgroup is microsoft.public.windows.vista.general.
 
J

Justin

Papa said:
along with newsgroup server msnews.microsoft.com,

If you're on that server then you goofed up an OE setting. Try removing the
NG then add it again. Then re-download he headers.
 
R

Rock

It depends on your perspective. Right click Desktop | Personalize gives
access to a variety of different features that affect personalization, all
on one menu. I think it's more intuitive than having to go to separate
locations for each of those items.

Yes there is a learning curve but for instance, if you learn to use the
instant search box then you can locate many things more easily. It grows on
you.
 
P

Papa

Perspective?? The point is, Vista was supposed to be more "user friendly"
for novices, and it is worse in that regard. I have encountered many
unnecessary sources of confusion within Vista. The structure that the user
sees is too unfamiliar - a needless step in a different direction.
 
R

Rock

Yes perspective. We will just have to disagree. I do see the Personalize
interface as more intuitive; I don't consider having to adjust one's way of
thinking and learning new approaches as a bad thing, or necessarily
unfriendly. It can be challenging, sure, sometimes frustrating, and makes
one think, which is a good thing. But when you make the paradigm shift,
suddenly you realize how a certain feature which you thought was problematic
is no longer. A good example of this, as I said before, is the ubiquitous
search in Vista, it's easy yet powerful, but it does require a change in
habits.

I don't see that we will come to agreement on this, which is fine.
Difference makes the world go round.

Papa said:
Perspective?? The point is, Vista was supposed to be more "user friendly"
for novices, and it is worse in that regard. I have encountered many
unnecessary sources of confusion within Vista. The structure that the user
sees is too unfamiliar - a needless step in a different direction.

Rock wrote
 
S

Scott

So many functions have been changed. Even the most experienced computer user
is going to be very low (for a long time) on the learning curve.

I'm quite experienced but hardly and expert and I had little trouble
learning Vista. It's vastly superior to XP.
For
example, the Vista Control Panel no longer contains a DISPLAY icon. Instead,
there is another much more vague icon (I can't remember the name) to gain
access to the display properties.

When you open control panel just type "Display" in the search box.
Another familiar Windows XP function that is now much harder to find is the
FILE EDIT function.

A "file edit" function? I don't recall that in Windows XP.
I still haven't found out how to do a file SELECT
ALL/COPY on Vista.

I guess I've just gotten lucky. Save for a lack of a driver for my
IEEE 1394b card (which I could never get working in XP anyway)
everything is A-OK here.

--
Scott http://angrykeyboarder.com

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
NOTICE: In-Newsgroup (and therefore off-topic) comments on my sig will
be cheerfully ignored, so don't waste our time.
 

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