Vista is OK

J

jacky

Vista is faster, better, safer, more stable than XP. All problems that you
morons meet using Vista, is caused by :
a. illegal software
b. partitioning with XP
c. updating XP

Wake up!
 
A

Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]

I have Windows Vista, XP and Server 2003 in dual boot configurations with no
problems.
 
A

aliaz

jacky said:
Vista is faster, better, safer, more stable than XP. All problems that you
morons meet using Vista, is caused by :
a. illegal software
b. partitioning with XP
c. updating XP
add:
d. assembling your own PC with obscure parts
 
B

Bill Silvert

It's nice to know that I am a moron because I started having problems with
Vista as soon as I opened the box on my new Sony Vaio laptop. For example,
Windows Explorer didn't work. Is it perhaps illegal software?

Bill Silvert
 
M

MICHAEL

jacky said:
Vista is faster, better, safer, more stable than XP. All problems that you
morons meet using Vista, is caused by :
a. illegal software
b. partitioning with XP
c. updating XP

Wake up!

Idiot.

I reckon all those issues that SP1 is supposed to fix/improve are
just imaginary problems and SP1 is just a placebo.


-Michael
 
C

Charlie Tame

Bill said:
It's nice to know that I am a moron because I started having problems
with Vista as soon as I opened the box on my new Sony Vaio laptop. For
example, Windows Explorer didn't work. Is it perhaps illegal software?

Bill Silvert


Bill, these people are just trolling. EVERY OS has problems, but Vista
has different ones than others. Refusing to accept these problems is
moronic, they need to be fixed not, "Imagined" out of the way.

My personal view is that problems with Explorer should have been fixed a
long time ago and should never have got into the released version. WGA /
WPA cause users to have problems they neither need nor deserve and their
effectiveness is not sufficient to justify the problems they cause.

"If" these people had to deal with more than one machine - with which
they may simply have been lucky - they would not be making such claims.
They are not quoting from experience, rather from lack of it :)

I think from the original release Vista has been improved by the various
updates, and the hardware folks have caught up somewhat too, but MS need
to do more before it becomes the kind of stable environment that XP has
become and be widely accepted by the IT industry. The fact is though
that many business requirements are satisfied by XP and existing
hardware with the extra investment for Vista showing limited returns.
Quality is, in my view, even more critical to the adoption than before.

Calling users like yourself (and me) "Morons" does not help MS or Vista
or anybody else, trying to help find a fix does. I have trouble with
some machines, none at all with other machines, but in the end when
basic OS functions like listing, copying, processing files don't work,
or work unpredictably (Which can be worse than not at all) it hits MS's
reputation right in the balance sheet. No use then Ballmer clowning
about on stage, people will not be fooled forever.

I've been an MVP for some years and like MS and their products, however
Vista was a disappointment to me when I looked at it from a normal
user's viewpoint and harder to deal with than it could have been.
Previous experimentation with Linux (Mostly Debian) showed that for many
users Linux was still too "Geeky", but the open source teams have made
vast improvements to the GUI so that being a Geek is no longer
necessary, and in fact an install of Ubuntu goes faster and easier than
Vista with FEWER driver and compatibility issues than Vista. Sure you
have to make a few changes, just as you would with XP / Vista but it is
no longer difficult, it's just not enough "Windows like" to be a natural
for a former XP user. Thing is though, that MS have to realize, someone
like me can replace XP or Vista for MOST home users with Ubuntu and
unless they use windows only games they will have all they had before
and less hassles. That is why I think building hassles into the system
is dangerous for MS. It's no use telling folks Linux is worthless
because they will find you are lying eventually, instead Windows must
prove itself batter all the time.
 
K

Kurt Herman

You are a moron if your computer didn't work out of the box, and you didn't
immediately send it back.

Kurt
 
C

Charlie Tame

Kurt said:
You are a moron if your computer didn't work out of the box, and you
didn't immediately send it back.

Kurt

Why should that be and why should he have to send it back?
 
J

Jrz

Charlie said:
Thing is though, that MS have to realize, someone
like me can replace XP or Vista for MOST home users with Ubuntu and
unless they use windows only games they will have all they had before
and less hassles. That is why I think building hassles into the system
is dangerous for MS. It's no use telling folks Linux is worthless
because they will find you are lying eventually, instead Windows must
prove itself batter all the time.

nice post, Charlie. I am starting to wish that I had heard MVPs
criticizing Vista before I ordered it on my new laptop.

Still, one thing is missing from your observations on using Linux: M$'s
efforts to use patent law to stifle all competition from Linux.

After all, Gates never did get to be so rich because he was smarter than
anybody - only because he played dirtier than anybody. The house he
built lives on in the same vein.
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Bill;
Have you contacted the manufacturer about warranty support or
return/exchange information?
If the laptop does not meet your expectations, by all meant get the
manufacturer to take care of it.
Now it is their problem, if you wait, it will be your problem.

Since the laptop is new, you could try a Clean installation using the
provided recovery method.
This will help determine if it is a bad installation or hardware
related.
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Please prove your statement:
"All problems that..."
Of the countless Windows Vista installations, all it takes is one that
does not fit your extremely narrow definition to make your statement
FALSE.

While your causes are are part of the problem some have issues, it is
far from true those are the only causes.

Of course we are all willing to see your documentation that will prove
your statement.
Just tell us your source.
 
M

Mr. Arnold

Jrz said:
nice post, Charlie. I am starting to wish that I had heard MVPs
criticizing Vista before I ordered it on my new laptop.

Gee, now someone thinks Tame is an MVP -- LOL. He is no more than a double
agent. He uses the product, but he wants to talk about the product like a
dog that he is about.
Still, one thing is missing from your observations on using Linux: M$'s
efforts to use patent law to stifle all competition from Linux.

That's all it is an observation and an opinion, which are both a dime a
dozen and everyone has got them.
After all, Gates never did get to be so rich because he was smarter than
anybody - only because he played dirtier than anybody. The house he built
lives on in the same vein.

Business is business. If you think it hasn't gone that way over the
centuries and will not continue to be that way for centuries to come,
you're kidding yourself.

You slip up in your business affairs and see if you don't get ran over.
 
N

norm

Mr. Arnold said:
Gee, now someone thinks Tame is an MVP -- LOL. He is no more than a
double agent. He uses the product, but he wants to talk about the
product like a dog that he is about. https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=49EF5F61-9EDE-4466-A453-AF226A90F4F2


That's all it is an observation and an opinion, which are both a dime a
dozen and everyone has got them.


Business is business. If you think it hasn't gone that way over the
centuries and will not continue to be that way for centuries to come,
you're kidding yourself.

You slip up in your business affairs and see if you don't get ran over.
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Bill said:
It's nice to know that I am a moron because I started having problems
with Vista as soon as I opened the box on my new Sony Vaio laptop. For
example, Windows Explorer didn't work. Is it perhaps illegal software?

Bill Silvert


Nah! In the case of a Sony, it's a matter of substandard hardware...
;-}. Seriously, though, while Sony has made some excellent audio
equipment in the past, and still makes good TVs, I've never been
impressed with their attempts at computers.

And any problems with a new computer straight out of the box,
regardless of brand, are the fault of no one but the manufacturer.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Charlie said:
Why should that be and why should he have to send it back?


While I don't agree with the name-calling, he definitely should have
immediately contacted the OEM about the obviously defective product he
received.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
C

Charlie Tame

Bruce said:
While I don't agree with the name-calling, he definitely should have
immediately contacted the OEM about the obviously defective product he
received.

Well we don't actually know that he hasn't, and it certainly seems that
the OEM has a lot of the responsibility, but 100% agree with the name
calling aspect being just plain negative for all concerned. On the
subject of Explorer I understand the OP's frustration because things
like file copying one might assume to be straightforward and essential
parts of any OS seem to have been problematic for me in the past too, no
matter what version of Windows was involved.
 
C

Charlie Tame

Mr. Arnold said:
Gee, now someone thinks Tame is an MVP -- LOL. He is no more than a
double agent. He uses the product, but he wants to talk about the
product like a dog that he is about.


That's all it is an observation and an opinion, which are both a dime a
dozen and everyone has got them.


Business is business. If you think it hasn't gone that way over the
centuries and will not continue to be that way for centuries to come,
you're kidding yourself.

You slip up in your business affairs and see if you don't get ran over.


Apparently you haven't yet mastered the use of the killfile - oh well.

The whole point is that some experience problems and some do not, those
that do are not "Morons" and do not deserve to be regarded as such. This
does nothing to help anyone including Microsoft.

My last installs of Vista have gone flawlessly, except for the PITA
activation and WGA which I have already expressed contempt for and will
tell Steve Ballmer and Bill Gates and anyone else the same thing if they
care to ask. Previously I had quite a few bad experiences which I think
should have been avoidable and at least prospective purchasers made more
clearly aware of.

I've not had much time due to moving house, otherwise would have replied
sooner, but it is my opinion (and that is all it is) that Microsoft are
in error doing some of the things they have recently done. I see those
things as bad for business, but I'm not in charge so that's where it ends.

I do NOT support piracy, Microsoft have every right to take what action
they feel is correct, but I have a right to disagree - that does not
mean I see Microsoft as some evil empire or that I would wish to damage
their sales / reputation or anything else. What I feel DOES damage is
releasing an OS that is not as every user "Expects" and then attacking
such users for saying so. How are Microsoft expected to fix things if
nobody acknowledges problems and simply blames users / OEMs for everything?

I would tend to agree that business is sometimes competitive to the
point of being dirty, but balance that against the fact that without
Bill Gates the use of computers would not have been possible for
millions of people, at least not as soon as it became possible. That
does NOT mean I don't have problems with some business practices, but I
do try to be fair about it. I also feel that automatic negativity about
rival systems, such as that expressed here by a few will actually do
more harm than good. I support Microsoft but also support freedom of
choice - because that helps to keep the playing field level for all the
players.

The industry does not need to stagnate, it needs a "Microsoft" to lead
innovation just like we need NASA and the ESA to compete - so the last
thing I would wish to see is Microsoft go down the tubes, their huge
resources and financial "Clout" do need to be directed properly though.
In the same way the success of rival systems like Apple and Linux is
essential.

From my own experience it seems that Vista is definitely "Improving" -
but it still remains a relatively expensive venture for a lot of people
who already have hardware and choose to upgrade. Most will need to buy
more RAM and many probably Video cards - these factors inevitably will
lead to disappointment which as we sometimes see here causes folks to
get annoyed with Microsoft, sometimes that annoyance is justified, why
would you or anyone else expect insulting the user to help in that
situation? A lot of problems seem to be a result of "Expectations", ie
that older games will work, hardware will all plug and play etc etc.
Now, maybe Microsoft DID NOT claim that everything would work, but there
was nothing at all to indicate the severity of this either. The advisor
was plain wrong in my case, saying that some stuff would work that
actually wouldn't - again this results in annoyed customers, and sure it
"May" be their own fault but also the result of the erroneous "Advice"

I don't use absolutely every feature of every OS I install, so the best
I can say is "Works for me". There may be features that don't work for
others that I don't know about because I rarely or never use them. Where
there are fault in features like explorer that just about everyone will
use, and which are expected in the core of every OS and they don't work
and worse still behave in the same flakey way they have in previous
versions yes, Microsoft MUST address them quickly - and deserve to get
criticized. Sorry but hard business practices work both ways ...
 
M

Mr. Arnold

<snipped>

I am pretty sure that *clown* Tame has posted to me by now. I don't see that
*clown*, and it's the nature of the beast that he must have lip driveled me.
The boy can't help it. I am sure anything he has to say would be worthless
to me.
 

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