Vista Installation incomplete...died halfway through installation

[Guest]

Ok, so Ive been trying to install vista for a while now, starting with the
betas and RCs. I gave up on them, but finally go the full, real version. I
tried installing vista, but its not booting. I think it got stuck halfway
through installation (at the part where it restarts?). Apparantly there seems
to be an old bootloader, and it thinks that the installation completed. Well,
now I cannot roll back and cannot complete the installation. Why cant vista
upgrade properly? What can i do to fix the problem? can i manually install
the missing files? (for example it says winload.exe is mssing). Grr.......

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Ok, so Ive been trying to install vista for a while now, starting with the
betas and RCs. I gave up on them, but finally go the full, real version. I
tried installing vista, but its not booting. I think it got stuck halfway
through installation (at the part where it restarts?). Apparantly there
seems
to be an old bootloader, and it thinks that the installation completed.
Well,
now I cannot roll back and cannot complete the installation. Why cant
vista
upgrade properly? What can i do to fix the problem? can i manually install
the missing files? (for example it says winload.exe is mssing). Grr.......

Well, the first thing you should have done was your homework to determine if
the machine was strong enough to run Vista. That's where people start
running into problems with Vista out of the gate.

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...5ea7-4ad3-be3f-af29f7b48dde1033.mspx?mfr=true

The second thing is you don't upgrade Vista over a non Vista O/S, because
that's trouble. You should just boot off of the install CD/DVD, format the
HD and lay down Vista fresh.

 

[...winston]

Many have successfully installed Vista as an upgrade(the way its designed to be installed when an upgrade version is purchased).

To echo another thread "Why post incorrect, misleading answers to the forum???

....w

.. You should just boot off of the install CD/DVD, format the
: HD and lay down Vista fresh.
:
:

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Many have successfully installed Vista as an upgrade(the way its designed to
be installed when an upgrade version is purchased).

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And there have many who have not successfully installed Vista as an upgrade.

To echo another thread "Why post incorrect, misleading answers to the
forum???

-----

The information is not incorrect, if you would pull your head out from
whatever holes you have it buried.

To echo my experience about my usage of an upgrade of a Windows O/S over an
existing one is nothing but pure trouble. And I have been working with the
MS O/S(s), since 1996, professionally. And if one has got any sense, he or
she should just wipe the machine out and lay down the O/S fresh.

The OP can do what he or she wants to do, but I have seen too many posts
about I have upgraded over the top of XP and I got troubles. You can't
convence me otherwise.

 

[...winston]

"Convencing" you is not relevant.
Informing others with correct information is.
Upgrades rarely fail due to xp or Vista, but hardware, drivers, and software not being compatible with the intended new o/s which when present a clean install may offer no more and in many cases even less chance of success.

Clean installs are the preference of many...though wiping a machine may not be practical and in everyone's best interest due to the unfortunate and predominant oem market that provides software without media for reinstallation.

Its easy to spout about what one should do and question peoples lack of sense..just as understanding the bigger picture allows one to pull their head out a hole and provide better advice.
...winston

:
: : Many have successfully installed Vista as an upgrade(the way its designed to
: be installed when an upgrade version is purchased).
:
: -------
:
: And there have many who have not successfully installed Vista as an upgrade.
:
: To echo another thread "Why post incorrect, misleading answers to the
: forum???
:
: -----
:
: The information is not incorrect, if you would pull your head out from
: whatever holes you have it buried.
:
: To echo my experience about my usage of an upgrade of a Windows O/S over an
: existing one is nothing but pure trouble. And I have been working with the
: MS O/S(s), since 1996, professionally. And if one has got any sense, he or
: she should just wipe the machine out and lay down the O/S fresh.
:
: The OP can do what he or she wants to do, but I have seen too many posts
: about I have upgraded over the top of XP and I got troubles. You can't
: convence me otherwise.
:
:
:
:

 

[Richard Urban]

A fact.

I have installed Vista on over 150 computers for different customers since
November. They range from a new computer build to computers that are 4-5
years old. Each install has been a clean install. I do not deal in upgrades.
I have had exactly one (1) problem and that was due to a faulty hard drive.
A new drive easily corrected the problem.

Of course, I do evaluate the computer for competency and compatibility. I
have denied more than a few people my services due to sub-standard
equipment.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)



"Convencing" you is not relevant.
Informing others with correct information is.
Upgrades rarely fail due to xp or Vista, but hardware, drivers, and
software not being compatible with the intended new o/s which when present a
clean install may offer no more and in many cases even less chance of
success.

Clean installs are the preference of many...though wiping a machine may not
be practical and in everyone's best interest due to the unfortunate and
predominant oem market that provides software without media for
reinstallation.

Its easy to spout about what one should do and question peoples lack of
sense..just as understanding the bigger picture allows one to pull their
head out a hole and provide better advice.
...winston

:
: : Many have successfully installed Vista as an upgrade(the way its designed
to
: be installed when an upgrade version is purchased).
:
: -------
:
: And there have many who have not successfully installed Vista as an
upgrade.
:
: To echo another thread "Why post incorrect, misleading answers to the
: forum???
:
: -----
:
: The information is not incorrect, if you would pull your head out from
: whatever holes you have it buried.
:
: To echo my experience about my usage of an upgrade of a Windows O/S over
an
: existing one is nothing but pure trouble. And I have been working with
the
: MS O/S(s), since 1996, professionally. And if one has got any sense, he or
: she should just wipe the machine out and lay down the O/S fresh.
:
: The OP can do what he or she wants to do, but I have seen too many posts
: about I have upgraded over the top of XP and I got troubles. You can't
: convence me otherwise.
:
:
:
:

 

[...winston]

Richard,
You're comments and input are always appreciated.

My preference like yours is for a clean install.

Not every home user has the ability, desire, intent, or funds to pay someone to do work on an OEM unit with an existing qualifying o/s. Upgrades for many are the only route. Actual sales numbers of upgrades vs. full retail versions of Vista are unclear since official data is based on licenses instead of full vs upgrade. Even without that information one would be making a less than uneducated guess to suggest that full versions outrank upgrades(demographically or on a global scale) or that a clean install was the predominant route of all successful installations. Does a clean install have its advantages, certainly; is it the norm..I doubt it.

We can all hypothesize why Msft left the back door clean install approach for upgrade versions...though one would be hard pressed to convince any of us that a primary reason was for all Vista upgrade versions to follow that non-Msft-documented approach to effect a successful Vista installation.

...winston


:A fact.
:
: I have installed Vista on over 150 computers for different customers since
: November. They range from a new computer build to computers that are 4-5
: years old. Each install has been a clean install. I do not deal in upgrades.
: I have had exactly one (1) problem and that was due to a faulty hard drive.
: A new drive easily corrected the problem.
:
: Of course, I do evaluate the computer for competency and compatibility. I
: have denied more than a few people my services due to sub-standard
: equipment.
:
: --
:
:
: Regards,
:
: Richard Urban
: Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
: (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
:
:
:
: : "Convencing" you is not relevant.
: Informing others with correct information is.
: Upgrades rarely fail due to xp or Vista, but hardware, drivers, and
: software not being compatible with the intended new o/s which when present a
: clean install may offer no more and in many cases even less chance of
: success.
:
: Clean installs are the preference of many...though wiping a machine may not
: be practical and in everyone's best interest due to the unfortunate and
: predominant oem market that provides software without media for
: reinstallation.
:
: Its easy to spout about what one should do and question peoples lack of
: sense..just as understanding the bigger picture allows one to pull their
: head out a hole and provide better advice.
: ...winston
:
: ::
:: :: Many have successfully installed Vista as an upgrade(the way its designed
: to
:: be installed when an upgrade version is purchased).
::
:: -------
::
:: And there have many who have not successfully installed Vista as an
: upgrade.
::
:: To echo another thread "Why post incorrect, misleading answers to the
:: forum???
::
:: -----
::
:: The information is not incorrect, if you would pull your head out from
:: whatever holes you have it buried.
::
:: To echo my experience about my usage of an upgrade of a Windows O/S over
: an
:: existing one is nothing but pure trouble. And I have been working with
: the
:: MS O/S(s), since 1996, professionally. And if one has got any sense, he or
:: she should just wipe the machine out and lay down the O/S fresh.
::
:: The OP can do what he or she wants to do, but I have seen too many posts
:: about I have upgraded over the top of XP and I got troubles. You can't
:: convence me otherwise.
::
::
::
::
:

 

[Mr. Arnold]

I am not going to bother with you or read it as you are not worth a
discussion about this, and you need to just move on, because you're not
talking about anything.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

A fact.

I have installed Vista on over 150 computers for different customers since
November. They range from a new computer build to computers that are 4-5
years old. Each install has been a clean install. I do not deal in
upgrades. I have had exactly one (1) problem and that was due to a faulty
hard drive. A new drive easily corrected the problem.

Of course, I do evaluate the computer for competency and compatibility. I
have denied more than a few people my services due to sub-standard
equipment.

I don't have anything against the person. He just happens to be someone that
can't mind his own business. And to me, he has not been down in the
trenches with this stuff. I have seen the upgrade over the years look like
it was fine, only to have to have to turn around and wipe it out later, due
to things just were not right.

You know what the deal is with this stuff. Once I get back to a BB
connection for the speed, I am going to take the CD/DVD upgrade for Vista
Ultimate over Home Premium that I did, boot from the CD/DVD, format the HD
and lay down fresh Vista fresh, whipping out all of this preinstalled crap
that's on the machine and install what I need to be there.

 

[Peter Foldes]

Mr. Arnold

And to me, he has not been down in the trenches with this stuff.

And you would be very surprised about that remark above with this person. I think the above statement that you made will work in reverse on you

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Mr. Arnold

And to me, he has not been down in the trenches with this stuff.

And you would be very surprised about that remark above with this person. I
think the above statement that you made will work in reverse on you

-----

I don't care about him. Simply put, he means nothing to me. The person
simply needs to mind his own business and stay out of my business, like I am
staying out of his business.

When I want his opinion on something, I'll ask for it, which will never
happen.

 

[Peter Foldes]

OK Adam

 

[Mr. Arnold]

OK Adam

====

When I need God I'll talk to him, which I have done in the past when I
needed him. A Human Being putting his or her pants on one leg at a time,
like I do, with an opinion that's a dime a dozen and everyone has got one,
I don't need.

 

[...winston]

Assumptions without knowledge is sophomoric, beyond validating that 'me' doesn't have a clue.
..winston

:
: And to me, he has not been down in the trenches with this stuff.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Assumptions without knowledge is sophomoric, beyond validating that 'me'
doesn't have a clue.

To know that you're yesterday's behind-wipe with an opinion is all I need to
know. You'll do well to stay out of my business like I am staying out of
your business, deputy

 

[...winston]

Keep up the good work Adam..appreciate it.
..winston

Assumptions without knowledge is sophomoric, beyond validating that 'me'
doesn't have a clue.

...I am staying out of your business.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Keep up the good work Adam..appreciate it.

You know where you can stick this.

You know something man, I was minding my own business, when you flew in
like you are some kind of deputy dog god. I didn't appreciate it. It's
something no Human Being, and I use that word loosely with you, would have
done. But you're too stupid and apparently don't know not to do something
like that in the manner in which you did it.

You have made an enemy today.

 

[PvdG42]

Hey. I appreciate this information. I have been attempting to install
Vista Home Premium and have run into a problem. I have tried doing it
from Windows XP and when it attempts to do the first restart stalls and
won't go any further. I have also tried to do a clean install, although
not from a clean HD. When I booted from the DVD it copied the files and
then stalled right there. I thought it might be the DVD so I ordered
the CDs and tried to boot from them. Same problem. Someone give me
some advice as to what to do. Oh by the way, I've run the Windows
Upgrade Advisor and it tells me that I have no systems issues that would
prevent me from installing Vista Home Premium.

Thanks

I'm jumping into this thread without benefit of seeing the original post(s),
so forgive me if this ground has already been covered...

How big is the partition that currently holds XP? For an upgrade install,
you'll need a boatload of free space available (at least 20 - 30 gig, IMO).

 

[Richard G. Harper]

Vista will need more drive space than 16gb, so yes clear out the drive you
intend to be your primary Windows drive and let Vista use it all.