Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

K

Kue2

Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for
the privilege.
The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak
1,v.668.).
 
M

Mike Hall - MVP

There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would be
impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a wide
range of configurations 'in house'.

Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had the
problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99% of my
software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I followed
instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP with a black
task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I don't use registry
cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one click' fix. I research
everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or 'Yes'. I have learned the
value of the 'back' button if I am not sure about something.

I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any
variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE it
escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to myself 'Oh
well, I guess this happens after a while'.

There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the
choice for the individual to make.

Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert back to
what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait until you have a
crippled system before thinking about this.

Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time to
research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to make.

None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it all'
is where the tears start.
 
B

BChat

Well said Mike.

There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would be
impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a wide
range of configurations 'in house'.

Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had the
problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99% of my
software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I followed
instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP with a black
task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I don't use registry
cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one click' fix. I research
everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or 'Yes'. I have learned the
value of the 'back' button if I am not sure about something.

I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any
variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE it
escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to myself 'Oh
well, I guess this happens after a while'.

There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the
choice for the individual to make.

Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert back to
what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait until you have a
crippled system before thinking about this.

Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time to
research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to make.

None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it all'
is where the tears start.
 
K

Kue2

The "Software" has as many bugs in it today as it had a year ago.Anyone
looking for a cure for Vista in SP1 is going to be disappointed.
It's time to get off the soap -box & smell the coffee, Mike.
The one word to sum up would be "Lemon".
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Not everyone, only those that choose.
And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.
SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting
the inherent risks of Beta.
 
T

Tom Lake

Jupiter Jones said:
Not everyone, only those that choose.
And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.
SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting the
inherent risks of Beta.

Maybe he meant Vista itself!

Tom Lake
 
K

Kue2

Tom
No maybe's about it.
A year later & things have not improved.
Vista was never ready for prime time.
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Tom;
Service Pack 1 was specified.

Even so, those purchasing windows Vista have a choice.
No one is forced to use any operating system, at least not by
Microsoft.

Windows XP continues to be available and supported and is a good
option for many.
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Your opinion, not in fact.
The software manufacturer and not us the users decide when software is
no longer in Beta.
The users simply choose if and when to use the software, no one forces
us.

Windows Vista performs well on two older computers of mine.
 
F

Frank

Kue2 said:
The "Software" has as many bugs in it today as it had a year ago.Anyone
looking for a cure for Vista in SP1 is going to be disappointed.
It's time to get off the soap -box & smell the coffee, Mike.
The one word to sum up would be "Lemon".
 
S

S.SubZero

I ran Vista X64 from February to December. I never had any serious
problems, everything I installed ran fine, it was a total non-
experience since it just ran. Most importantly, I never had fear of
losing any data and I never did lose any data.

I installed Ubuntu Linux 7.10 the other day. After installing the
plethora of updates, the very first app I ran randomly crashed and not
only crashed but logged me out completely. Had I been working on
something important or business critical, it would have been gone.

-shrug-
 
K

Kue2

Jupiter
You actually believe what you write?

Jupiter Jones said:
Your opinion, not in fact.
The software manufacturer and not us the users decide when software is no
longer in Beta.
The users simply choose if and when to use the software, no one forces us.

Windows Vista performs well on two older computers of mine.
 
D

Daniel

"The one word to sum up would be "Lemon"".


For you perhaps, for me it works fine, may be an intelligence thing?

Daniel
 
C

Carlos

Hugh,
I certainly like your young and rebel spirit today!
Your beta discussion reminded me of another beta: Windows Media Player.
When is MS going to solve the issue that happens when you close it and it
keeps playing in the dark?
I have to kill the process manually in order to really close it.
This is not an WMP11 exclusive issue.
It has been hanging around since, at least, WMP9!
Anyone can google around and see what I mean.
Is WMP11 a beta embedded in another beta?
Regarding the rest of Vista, I can say I have absolutely no problems with
the rest of the recurring hardware/performance issues that others suffer.
I really hope that, some day, you may solve your driver issues with NVidia
graphics.
:)
Carlos
 
M

Mike Hall - MVP

Yours may well be full of 'bugs'. Mine isn't and this is partly down to what
I have already written.

I have local clients who are happy with Vista, and I also have local clients
who are happy with nothing because they continually mess with stuff, fall
for every Internet scam in the book, and run every 'one click' fix known to
man in order to get over the problems that they themselves have created
despite warnings by me not to do some things.

One of them keeps getting virus/Trojans because of the insistence to
download stuff off of Limewire.

Another incident was created because a client couldn't get high speed
Internet, and tried and failed three times to install an analogue modem,
changing all kinds of settings in the process. It turned out that the client
had pulled the power on the high speed modem, but it all took longer to fix
than just turning on the power again.

A client's daughter couldn't get onto Sympatico high speed one day, and so
installed Primus dialup. When the client asked me why his Primus e-mail
wasn't working, I told him that he had Sympatico mail, and that I wasn't at
all surprised re Primus. He told me that IE6 had 'supplied by Primus'
emblazoned on it, and that he was fairly sure that he had Primus Internet.
He just didn't know what he had. I did sort it all out for him, and told him
to keep his daughter away from the computer.

One of my clients called me to ask if I could transfer pictures and other
stuff from the old computer to a new one just bought. Yeah, no problem,
except that she had already given the old computer to her daughter. It was
slow and kept popping up messages she didn't understand, hence the new one.
The messages all related to the old hard drive failing, which it did
terminally a day and a half later, before I could get to it. I asked the
original owner if there were any signs at all of something going wrong. I
was told by her that she had done nothing to it, but over the last week of
ownership, it didn't always boot properly and everything was sooooooooooooo
slow.

One well meaning friend of a client tried to fix XP problems by installing
and running a registry cleaner. After completely screwing up the system, the
friend then tried to fix the system by installing Windows 98. The call I got
was 'how do you fix XP problems using a Win 98 CD?'. Any takers?

The single most prevalent problem with any computer system is situated
between the back of the chair and the keyboard, and until that component can
be brought under control, the average computer installation doesn't have a
chance in hell of ever working as it should.

I am not suggesting that it is all the fault of the user. Software is never
perfect, even when written specifically for one set of hardware
specifications 'a la' Mac, but when one takes into consideration the actions
of some users, especially those who have constructed their own computers
from parts, using enough thermal paste to ice a five tier wedding cake,
gotten the stuff in the memory slots, not cabled the thing up correctly,
left off the CPU fan assembly because they couldn't get it to fit using a
pair of household scissors, it is a wonder that computers work at all..
 
K

Kue2

Morning Carlos!
good day for a lively discussion.......lol wink.....
That problem I do not experience on my machine(wmp). My sound problem
finally got fixed.Had internet radio playing last nite, using wmp,closes
fine here.When do you experience the hang,while playing music or video's
or.....
Nvidia problem still there but not as prevalent. Only hangs when I re-boot
now,when using Vista system seems stable using latest Nvidia beta driver.
Wish they would come up with a work around for system restore points & dual
booting.....thank goodness for Acronis True Image Home.
I'll test (wpm) here when you tell me what you are doing when problem
arises.
Still no word from Nero on sxs errors in event viewer.Strange thing is the
errors do not seem to effect the program so far as I can tell.
 
H

Harry Krause

Jupiter said:
Not everyone, only those that choose.
And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.
SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting
the inherent risks of Beta.


Now, tell us true: did your mama name you Jupiter?

If so, I am impressed.
 
K

Kue2

Hello Mike
hmmmmm
Where to begin
quoted from your earlier reply
"There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It wouldand is this message.
Then you state:"I also have local clients
who are happy with nothing because they continually mess with stuff.

Microsoft makes a sp1 available to the "general public" so they can Mess
with Stuff & want to know their experiences.
You say on one hand that it is alright for Microsoft to tell people to Mess
with stuff,but on the other side tell people they should not Mess with
Stuff?
Hmmmmmmm LOL
 

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